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UrazNour
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:31 pm 
 

Let's talk about this band...)))

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CHRISTI_NS_ANITY8
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:40 pm 
 

what can we say that hasn't already been said??? they ruled...in my humble opinion they reached the top with De Mysteriis...but too often the band has been famous more for the inner facts than for the real music...
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lolocaust
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:46 pm 
 

im going to get flamed for this.


dead is overrated, he couldnt even sing in time and missed out half of the words.

i prefer blasphemer to euronymous because hes just a more interesting guitar player who uses time signaures and choice of notes very well, compared to euronymous who was simple but intense. still prefer blasphemer, his work on chimera and ordo ad chao was incredible and it gave the opppertunity to the rest of the band (particularly hellhammer) to spread their wings.

and blasphemers songs are unpredictable, whereas the songs on dmds were a bit predictable, i always knew when hellhammer would do blast beats.

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misanthropicspirits
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:12 pm 
 

They r good....they have brilliant pieces of work but are more famous, or may i say infamous for other things than actual music. Euronymous has done a good job on the guitars & ohlins vocals are pretty good too.....

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sarcotalica
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:26 pm 
 

all of there "classic" releases are good but sometimes I wish maniac had stayed deathcrush is awesome (my favorite release by them)

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UrazNour
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:28 pm 
 

misanthropicspirits wrote:
They r good....they have brilliant pieces of work but are more famous, or may i say infamous for other things than actual music. Euronymous has done a good job on the guitars & ohlins vocals are pretty good too.....


Yes)) I completely agree

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Mandalore
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:30 pm 
 

i honestly prefer Deathcrush over De Mysterious Dom Satanas, its more intense and evil sounding,

and i do think Dead is a overated Vocalist, he sounded good on morbid's early demos in my opinion, but all the live Albums with mayhem he done sound like shit

although i do prefer Deathcrush over De mysterious, i do respect Attila as a vocalist more so then dead, but i just like Maniac and Messiah's sound it just sound so sinister

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UrazNour
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:32 pm 
 

sarcotalica wrote:
all of there "classic" releases are good but sometimes I wish maniac had stayed deathcrush is awesome (my favorite release by them)


Maniac seems wanted to make of band Death metal... but Euronymous and Necrobutcher in time have understood, that it not for them)

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sarcotalica
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:37 pm 
 

Mandalore wrote:
i honestly prefer Deathcrush over De Mysterious Dom Satanas, its more intense and evil sounding,

and i do think Dead is a overated Vocalist, he sounded good on morbid's early demos in my opinion, but all the live Albums with mayhem he done sound like shit

although i do prefer Deathcrush over De mysterious, i do respect Attila as a vocalist more so then dead, but i just like Maniac and Messiah's sound it just sound so sinister


I totally agree +1

UrazNour wrote:
sarcotalica wrote:
all of there "classic" releases are good but sometimes I wish maniac had stayed deathcrush is awesome (my favorite release by them)


Maniac seems wanted to make of band Death metal... but Euronymous and Necrobutcher in time have understood, that it not for them)


Well the thing is that I think that maniac and messiah sound much more evil than dead so in my opinion they would be better for black metal

BTW does anyone know of deathcrush clones that come close to sounding like maniac?

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UrazNour
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:45 pm 
 

itself Euronymous spoke, that Dead it is much better than the Maniac, and he approaches for his band better

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:46 pm 
 

DMDS is a masterpeice. Noktorn's review sums it up, really. I haven't been able to enjoy Deathcrush or the PFA demo, but DMDS is amazing.
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UrazNour
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:49 pm 
 

MegaHassan wrote:
DMDS is a masterpeice. Noktorn's review sums it up, really. I haven't been able to enjoy Deathcrush or the PFA demo, but DMDS is amazing.


YEEESS!!))))

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DeadXManiac
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:13 pm 
 

Maniac was my favorite Mayhem vocalist. Dead was alright but like lolcaust said he couldn't sing the songs right, Chainsaw Gutsfuck on Live in Leipzig was slow as fuck and Dead just droned along I never seen what was so great about him other then his infamous suicide. As for De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas it is a masterpiece but Atilla annoys me sometimes.
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UrazNour
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:15 pm 
 

Yes, Dead was simply the loony...

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WinterBliss
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:27 pm 
 

lolocaust wrote:
im going to get flamed for this.


dead is overrated, he couldnt even sing in time and missed out half of the words.

i prefer blasphemer to euronymous because hes just a more interesting guitar player who uses time signaures and choice of notes very well, compared to euronymous who was simple but intense. still prefer blasphemer, his work on chimera and ordo ad chao was incredible and it gave the opppertunity to the rest of the band (particularly hellhammer) to spread their wings.

and blasphemers songs are unpredictable, whereas the songs on dmds were a bit predictable, i always knew when hellhammer would do blast beats.


Yep, Dead as a singer is nothing special. Euro wrote some classic and great riffs. But Blasphemers is a lot more interesting of a writer. Maniac is a good singer until he lets the his clean/circus voice go. I love Wolf's Lair Abyss. Only old recordings i like are DMDS, everything else just sounds too sloppy and shitty to me (except deathcrush, that's good shit). I really like Attila as well, the DMDS title track and Buried By Time and Dust are their best songs they ever wrote, along with Ancient Skin.
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Buried_Death
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:49 pm 
 

Deathcrush = ok great start!
De Mysterious Dom Satanas = Great but the end of Mayhem!

New mayhem = not so good the name is just being carryed on and the music's nothing to go crazy about.

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UrazNour
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:54 pm 
 

Buried_Death wrote:
Deathcrush = ok great start!
De Mysterious Dom Satanas = Great but the end of Mayhem!

New mayhem = not so good the name is just being carryed on and the music's nothing to go crazy about.


You are right)))

And how to all of you demo-record "Pure Fucking Armageddon" (1986) ???

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DenialFiend
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:55 pm 
 

Do you really believe that Mayhem would be such a legend, if Dead hadn't suicided and Euronymous hadn't been murdered?
Atilla and Blasphemer say to me nothing.

Mayhem has nothing to do with skills, nice riffs, heavy blasts and generally with music. It's all about death.

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Musick
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:16 pm 
 

DenialFiend wrote:
Do you really believe that Mayhem would be such a legend, if Dead hadn't suicided and Euronymous hadn't been murdered?
Atilla and Blasphemer say to me nothing.

Mayhem has nothing to do with skills, nice riffs, heavy blasts and generally with music. It's all about death.


I think they are more popular because of the antics surrounding the band rather than the music.

I fell that if Dead didn’t off himself and Euro didn’t play the role he did (his store, his death, etc.) I don’t think they would have been remembered by many outside of Scandinavia. The music was OK at best. I hear a lot about the "atmosphere" this band had but I don’t see it as anything special, unique or "evil". I owned DMDS and Deathcrush for more than 10 years, and try as I might, they just never did anything but annoy me. Many hold this band up high because of the so called importance in helping to define BM, but I would have to give that title to Bathory myself.

The only positive thing I can say about Mayhem (more accurately Euro ) is they brought Burzum into the light, which would have happened anyway. Burzum more accurately represents what I consider BM than Mayhem ever will.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:18 pm 
 

Musick sure tries to live up to his custom title to the best of his very limited abilities.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:21 pm 
 

I like old Mayhem quite a bit, especially Deathcrush but also DMDS. Attila's vocals are interesting to say the least. Listening to DMDS right now.

That said, I find Mayhem somewhat overrated. I prefer other bands such as Burzum, Immortal, Darkthrone and Gorgoroth over them although Mayhem is by no means bad.

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CHRISTI_NS_ANITY8
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:29 pm 
 

I listen mostly to DMDS because I find the vocals on Deathcrush too annoying. The songs are good but the vocal were horrible in my opinion, for my tastes.

However, I prefer a band like Immortal
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:33 pm 
 

Mayhem is one of the most overrated bands ever, but they wrote some fucking kickass riffs and stuff.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:45 pm 
 

Deathcrush is one the best releases of 1987. Everything after that is nothing but a step in the wrong direction.
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Alocer7138r
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:52 pm 
 

Deathcrush, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas and Chimera are the only good mayhem releases to me at least.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:53 pm 
 

lolocaust wrote:
im going to get flamed for this.


dead is overrated, he couldnt even sing in time and missed out half of the words.

i prefer blasphemer to euronymous because hes just a more interesting guitar player who uses time signaures and choice of notes very well, compared to euronymous who was simple but intense. still prefer blasphemer, his work on chimera and ordo ad chao was incredible and it gave the opppertunity to the rest of the band (particularly hellhammer) to spread their wings.

and blasphemers songs are unpredictable, whereas the songs on dmds were a bit predictable, i always knew when hellhammer would do blast beats.


Ide say Euronymous was better in that he was far more influential. He was true to the genre and new what metal really meant. Of course, he was writing when metal was more of an extreme genre of music. I also think that his style of song writing was much more primitive which reflects the subgenre much more clearly. This is not to discredit Blasphemers work however as I love his guitar playing style. I must say I like him much more in Aura Noir though. :P
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:58 pm 
 

I don't listen to Black Metal but De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is a fucking legend album. So dark and cold....

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Thrasherjohn
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:02 pm 
 

One of the big black metal bands i could never get into i don't know what it is. I just could never get into any of their cd's.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:24 pm 
 

Everyone who says Dead was a lame singer needs to listen to Morbid and/or other live stuff besides the Live in Leipzig release.

I actually love the Khanate vibe in the latest album the most, and Attila is amazing on it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:37 pm 
 

Musick wrote:
DenialFiend wrote:
Do you really believe that Mayhem would be such a legend, if Dead hadn't suicided and Euronymous hadn't been murdered?
Atilla and Blasphemer say to me nothing.

Mayhem has nothing to do with skills, nice riffs, heavy blasts and generally with music. It's all about death.


I think they are more popular because of the antics surrounding the band rather than the music.

I fell that if Dead didn’t off himself and Euro didn’t play the role he did (his store, his death, etc.) I don’t think they would have been remembered by many outside of Scandinavia. The music was OK at best. I hear a lot about the "atmosphere" this band had but I don’t see it as anything special, unique or "evil". I owned DMDS and Deathcrush for more than 10 years, and try as I might, they just never did anything but annoy me. Many hold this band up high because of the so called importance in helping to define BM, but I would have to give that title to Bathory myself.

The only positive thing I can say about Mayhem (more accurately Euro ) is they brought Burzum into the light, which would have happened anyway. Burzum more accurately represents what I consider BM than Mayhem ever will.


you are clueless.

Without euronymous and the guys of Mayhem, most of the major norwegian bands wouldn't be playing black metal at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:41 pm 
 

I'm huge fan of almost all their work (Deathcrush and the early live albums being my least favourites). I especially love Grand Declaration of War. Well, I guess I'm a atypical Mayhem fanboy.

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UrazNour
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:51 pm 
 

mentalselfmutilation wrote:
Musick wrote:
DenialFiend wrote:
Do you really believe that Mayhem would be such a legend, if Dead hadn't suicided and Euronymous hadn't been murdered?
Atilla and Blasphemer say to me nothing.

Mayhem has nothing to do with skills, nice riffs, heavy blasts and generally with music. It's all about death.


I think they are more popular because of the antics surrounding the band rather than the music.

I fell that if Dead didn’t off himself and Euro didn’t play the role he did (his store, his death, etc.) I don’t think they would have been remembered by many outside of Scandinavia. The music was OK at best. I hear a lot about the "atmosphere" this band had but I don’t see it as anything special, unique or "evil". I owned DMDS and Deathcrush for more than 10 years, and try as I might, they just never did anything but annoy me. Many hold this band up high because of the so called importance in helping to define BM, but I would have to give that title to Bathory myself.

The only positive thing I can say about Mayhem (more accurately Euro ) is they brought Burzum into the light, which would have happened anyway. Burzum more accurately represents what I consider BM than Mayhem ever will.


you are clueless.

Without euronymous and the guys of Mayhem, most of the major norwegian bands wouldn't be playing black metal at all.



He its rights, if not Euronymous then Darkthrone now most likely would play Death metal, as well as many other Norwegian bands

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:02 pm 
 

Mayhem is one of my favourite band ever, no matter what era.

Deathcrush was simply ugly and raw. There so many classic riffs on that album/EP

DMDS is simply the best BM album i've ever heard. I pratically don't listen to BM anymore these days (except for Darkthrone and Mayhem) but i still listen to this album on a regular basis. Even was i was really into BM some years ago i never came upon a release that had such an impact on me.
I think the best word to describe the music and the atmosphere would be "haunting".

I really like the post 1994 era too. WLA is quite violent, i really dig the feelings it evokes.

As for GDoW, i might be about one of the 2 people on Earth that thinks it's a masterpiece.

Chimera didn't really grab me much, in fact i think it's the weakest Mayhem album to date. I'd give it about 65-70%

And Ordo Ad Chaos i think this one too is brilliant, however i do not listen to it that often, due to it's nature. This is the kind of album i have to be a in special mood in order to spin it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:06 pm 
 

Waltz_of_Ghouls wrote:
As for GDoW, i might be about one of the 2 people on Earth that thinks it's a masterpiece.


And here's the second!

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Musick
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:21 pm 
 

mentalselfmutilation wrote:
Musick wrote:
DenialFiend wrote:
Do you really believe that Mayhem would be such a legend, if Dead hadn't suicided and Euronymous hadn't been murdered?
Atilla and Blasphemer say to me nothing.

Mayhem has nothing to do with skills, nice riffs, heavy blasts and generally with music. It's all about death.


I think they are more popular because of the antics surrounding the band rather than the music.

I fell that if Dead didn’t off himself and Euro didn’t play the role he did (his store, his death, etc.) I don’t think they would have been remembered by many outside of Scandinavia. The music was OK at best. I hear a lot about the "atmosphere" this band had but I don’t see it as anything special, unique or "evil". I owned DMDS and Deathcrush for more than 10 years, and try as I might, they just never did anything but annoy me. Many hold this band up high because of the so called importance in helping to define BM, but I would have to give that title to Bathory myself.

The only positive thing I can say about Mayhem (more accurately Euro ) is they brought Burzum into the light, which would have happened anyway. Burzum more accurately represents what I consider BM than Mayhem ever will.


you are clueless.

Without euronymous and the guys of Mayhem, most of the major norwegian bands wouldn't be playing black metal at all.


Sorry, I don’t believe in sacred cows. I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

For the record, I never denied their influence on the 2nd wave, I simply stated my opinion on them in general.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:36 pm 
 

Galaahd wrote:
Waltz_of_Ghouls wrote:
As for GDoW, i might be about one of the 2 people on Earth that thinks it's a masterpiece.


And here's the second!


And here's a third! I kept hearing people bitching about how "weird and experimental it was," when the only really experimental song was "Il Principle," a fully electronic track. And maybe people were also pissed about most of the vocals being spoken word (I thought was pretty cool).

I really love everything Mayhem ever did, except for the PFA demo which is impossible to listen to. Really, every vocalist and guitarist seems to have a lot of things going for them. Maniac had the awesome raped cat screams, Dead was all about grim rasps, and Atilla was (and still is) fucking insane and all over the place. Euronymous wrote some of the catchiest and coldest BM riffs I've ever heard before, while Blasphemer heads in an obscure and technical direction.

So there are several incarnations of Mayhem, and each one seems to have been really good, yet unique from the rest. Mayhem is like the Deep Purple of black metal, in this regard.

And for those who thought Dead was overrated, check out his early work on Morbid's December Moon demo, and Mayhem's Out from the Dark rehearsal.

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Anyone think they'll release a new album in the future?
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Deathcrush > all other crappy Mayhem releases.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:21 pm 
 

Deathcrush is one of the best releases ever. That EP just sums up everything that metal is about. Live in Leipzig, Dawn of the Black Hearts and all the stuff with Dead in general is pure gold as well. I can't really see why someone wouldn't like Dead. Maybe he didn't have the best or most unique voice ever, but he always sounded completely possessed, not "bored" or "untalented" or whatever.

I've never been a huge fan of DMDS. Attila's vocals are the best thing about the album, and even though the songs sounded great with Dead too, I don't find the album that special. It has a great atmosphere but the "legendary" songs are too legendary for their own good. The rest of the stuff just isn't on the same level, save a couple of songs.

Wolf's Lair Abyss had some decent songs but the production and the vocals ruined it for me. The newer stuff is terrible. Ordo Ad Chao was kind of interesting, but it sure as hell wasn't good.

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In before Bezerko rant.
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