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CradleOfBurzum
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:02 am 
 

Good to hear after all this Antifa nonsense, Peste Noire is still making new music. They just announced on their Facebook page that they have begun recording a new album.

"On the road to record the 7th KPN album with the sound engineer of "L'Ordure à l'état pur" (the best one we ever worked with - you never change a winning team)."

"L'Ordure à l'état pur" might be my favorite Peste Noire album, so that's good news they're teaming up with the sound engineer from that album again! I'll update this OP once new information rolls in! Until then, what is your favorite Peste Noire album?

In other Peste Noire related news, Audrey (the female backing vocalist in Peste Noire) recently announced she is not involved with the band anymore. So, it looks like she probably won't make an appearance in this new album. Which is a shame, because she has a lovely voice and brought a nice sound to the band.

https://www.facebook.com/14424400560674 ... =3&theater
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John_Sunlight
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:29 am 
 

Was there ever any indication they were not going to make music?
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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:43 am 
 

CradleOfBurzum wrote:
Good to hear after all this Antifa nonsense, Peste Noire is still making new music. They just announced on their Facebook page that they have begun recording a new album.

Thanks! It's amazing how many cancellations they had:
https://www.facebook.com/PESTE-NOIRE-1442440056067406/

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Anyway, new Peste Noire is good news! :beer:

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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:46 am 
 

CradleOfBurzum wrote:
In other Peste Noire related news, Audrey (the female backing vocalist in Peste Noire) recently announced she is not involved with the band anymore. So, it looks like she probably won't make an appearance in this new album. Which is a shame, because she has a lovely voice and brought a nice sound to the band.


That's a shame. She brought a certain french romanticism to Peste Noires music that kept reverberating throughout the entire album even when her actual vocal contribution was minimal. I would love another album with her on main vocal duty. Yeah, I'm still sad Amesoeurs broke up.

I can't say I'm too excited about the new album now. La Chaise-Dyable was decent enough but I'm really gonna miss Audrey's contributions.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:50 pm 
 

BasqueStorm wrote:
CradleOfBurzum wrote:
Good to hear after all this Antifa nonsense, Peste Noire is still making new music. They just announced on their Facebook page that they have begun recording a new album.

Thanks! It's amazing how many cancellations they had:
https://www.facebook.com/PESTE-NOIRE-1442440056067406/

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Anyway, new Peste Noire is good news! :beer:


Says his band is not an NSBM band, uses the Totenkopf has his band's logo. Classic Famine...

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SlevinKelevra
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:32 pm 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:

Says his band is not an NSBM band, uses the Totenkopf has his band's logo. Classic Famine...



kind of like saying you're an ethno-nationalist while being a product of one of the world's oldest melting pots.
I wonder what ROMANce language they speak there....

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Big_Grand
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:59 pm 
 

I'm looking forward to this, but I'll admit first I want to hear what La Famine does with Vouïvre. The stuff on that video seemed faster and like the older KPN which was interested, and maybe some of that will come into the new KPN as well.

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c_
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:36 am 
 

Anyone know how long the La Mesnie Herlequin Webshop has been down? I would like to fork some money over to Famine but I then read yesterday that he doesn´t sell merch online anymore. Granted my source there is a youtube commenter but yeah I don't know. I can't understand what the point of that would be... Can anyone shed some light here? Or know anything about the new album?

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Morn Of Solace
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:46 am 
 

He wanted to sell at the live shows, because it's easier and less expensive than mantaining the webshop

I don't know if it will come up again

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CradleOfBurzum
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:01 pm 
 

Small update on the upcoming new album and other future releases. When Famine was asked what can we expect from him and Peste Noire in the future...

- "Appear as a guest on the next M8L8TH release.
- Record the new PN album. It has already been composed, but I want to iron out the kinks and work on the musical arrangements in a way it has previously been done on “L’Ordure à l’état pur” where you have thirty different ideas per track. Live shows have taken up a lot of time, and I regret to have rushed it a bit with the two previous albums. Now I will take all the time I need to finalize this new record. Don’t expect it earlier than 2018.
- Once the seventh PN album is completed, I’m going to make the split-CD with ABSURD.
- After the split with ABSURD, we will be releasing a 7’’ with GOATMOON."

Source - http://militant.zone/kpn2017/

Also, Famine says that the Peste Noire webshop should be opened up again by the end of June.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:04 am 
 

c_ wrote:
Anyone know how long the La Mesnie Herlequin Webshop has been down? I would like to fork some money over to Famine but I then read yesterday that he doesn´t sell merch online anymore. Granted my source there is a youtube commenter but yeah I don't know. I can't understand what the point of that would be... Can anyone shed some light here? Or know anything about the new album?

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Small update on the upcoming new album and other future releases.

Thanks!

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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:14 am 
 

CradleOfBurzum wrote:
Small update on the upcoming new album and other future releases.

Hi,
Any info about tour dates, please?

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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 5:57 am 
 

BasqueStorm wrote:
Any info about tour dates, please?

Checking out with Famine. :thumbsup:

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CradleOfBurzum
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:30 pm 
 

Peste Noire's online store is back up if anyone is interested.

http://www.la6mesnie6herlequin6.bigcartel.com/products
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blackmantram
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:22 pm 
 

It feels like you need some sort of ripped-enough pass to wear one of those tees.

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c_
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:08 am 
 

blackmantram wrote:
It feels like you need some sort of ripped-enough pass to wear one of those tees.

That's what came to mind here too. I guess Famine doesn't want a bunch of wimps walking around in KPN tanktops... :lol:

Edit: I'm referring to the sizes by the way, since most designs are only available in XL.

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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:45 am 
 

Some news:
http://militant.zone/KPN2017/

http://militant.zone/ar2017/

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http://militant.zone/KPN_CINEMA/

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lost_wanderer
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:53 pm 
 

I wonder if he still deny that his band is a Nazi band.
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t1337Dude
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:21 pm 
 

lost_wanderer wrote:
I wonder if he still deny that his band is a Nazi band.

Don't worry, I can put this one to rest pretty confidently - Peste Noire is way too young to have served Hitler's Reich. Hitler and his Nazi's haven't been around (or important, or prominent) since the 40's - if you're still sitting around wondering who to put the "Nazi" tag on, I must wonder if you've lost your mind. Seriously though, disagreeing with a few points of their ideology isn't worth getting panties bunched up over. Nazi's did some pretty terrible things, so calling random people Nazi's is a hyperbolic exercise of immaturity. It hasn't been cool seeing bands getting held back (e.g. Inquisition) because of ignorant liberals who love using the word "nazi".

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:28 pm 
 

Sometimes when people say "nazi" they actually mean "neo-nazi" which refers to people weren't actually members of the NSDAP back in the 40's when Hitler was alive, but who approve of what they did and venerate their ideology and model themselves on that historical organization to some degree. A lot of those people are actually alive today despite the actual nazi party no longer being around. Weird but true. You probably got confused because lost_wanderer didn't specifically include the "neo" part of the term, which is bound to cause confusion. Hopefully he'll be more precise and clear in his use of language in the future so he doesn't cause as much confusion, but at least you were able to bring up some important historical background information on the related topic of actual nazis so that we can all understand the situation a bit better.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:41 am 
 

t1337Dude wrote:
It hasn't been cool seeing bands getting held back (e.g. Inquisition) because of ignorant liberals who love using the word "nazi".

+1.

John_Sunlight wrote:
Sometimes when people say "nazi" they actually mean "neo-nazi" which refers to people weren't actually members of the NSDAP back in the 40's when Hitler was alive, but who approve of what they did and venerate their ideology and model themselves on that historical organization to some degree. A lot of those people are actually alive today despite the actual nazi party no longer being around. Weird but true. You probably got confused because lost_wanderer didn't specifically include the "neo" part of the term, which is bound to cause confusion. Hopefully he'll be more precise and clear in his use of language in the future so he doesn't cause as much confusion, but at least you were able to bring up some important historical background information on the related topic of actual nazis so that we can all understand the situation a bit better.

OMFG! :durr:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:15 pm 
 

lost_wanderer wrote:
I wonder if he still deny that his band is a Nazi band.


Famine says Peste Noire has never been about National Socialism in this video:
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:24 pm 
 

They have a released called Aryan Supremacy, they use nazi imagery, and they play with openly racist bands. I don't care what they call themselves, but any single one of those facts is enough for me to stay the fuck away.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:39 pm 
 

Actual quote of Famine commenting on pictures of him giving the right hand salute:

"I feel closer to Italian fascism than to German National Socialism. So how is it surprising that those who sympathize with fascism are making the right hand salute?"

Nothing to worry about he just feels close to Italian fascism!

I'm weak when it comes to good music, so I'll still listen to Peste Noire. I won't buy any of their albums, merch or concert tickets though. I pretty much give them the Burzum treatment.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:54 pm 
 

Well, German National Socialism was more concerned with race in a biological sense, than the Italian Fascists. Germans would do measurements, trace ancestry, compare hair colours etc very meticulously, while the Italians viewed this as very materialistic. To people like Mussolini, race was a spiritual state of being, which was prior to the biological ancestry.

So while NS and Fascism are both totalitarian, militaristic, anti-liberal etc etc, they did have different opinions on racial supremacy. And both of these were different than the "classical white nationalism" of the Anglosphere at the time.

In today's climate it's easy to throw all these idea under the same category and dismiss it, even modern right-wingers make these simplifications. I think we lose nuance that way.

Try to read "The Doctrine of Fascism" by Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini. It's nothing at all like the KKK, yet the KKK are called Fascists all the time.

EDIT: Sorry for the post only being tangentially related to Peste Noire, but it's a topic I find interesting.

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I know there are differences, but they're all horrific ideologies and lead to roughly the same things. I think it's fair to throw them all on the NOPE pile no matter the differences between them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:45 pm 
 

t1337Dude wrote:
lost_wanderer wrote:
I wonder if he still deny that his band is a Nazi band.

Don't worry, I can put this one to rest pretty confidently - Peste Noire is way too young to have served Hitler's Reich. Hitler and his Nazi's haven't been around (or important, or prominent) since the 40's - if you're still sitting around wondering who to put the "Nazi" tag on, I must wonder if you've lost your mind. Seriously though, disagreeing with a few points of their ideology isn't worth getting panties bunched up over. Nazi's did some pretty terrible things, so calling random people Nazi's is a hyperbolic exercise of immaturity. It hasn't been cool seeing bands getting held back (e.g. Inquisition) because of ignorant liberals who love using the word "nazi".



Maybe I should have said neo-nazis. But Peste noire is really close to those movements. For exemple, On one of those pictures on the militant zone link, there's guys with nazi imagery tatooed on themselves. I don't know about inquisition but when a band play with the band Absurd playing an Absurd song whom come from their most racist and Nazi oriented album, I don't know what it takes not to call them a neo nazi band. There's hints of that in the lyrics themselves for exemple in the song: ''j'avais rêvé du Nord''. He will maybe try to deny it but if we connect all the dots, interviews, pictures, lyrics and all othe small details, there's a clear picture that emerge from that.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:40 am 
 

Famine's way of thinking is, his music has nothing to do with Adolf Hitler and is thus not Nazi music nor is Peste Noire a Nazi band, which in the most literal sense, I guess is true. I always get the impression people think Famine is trying to deny or hide the fact that his band is somehow Nazi oriented when he probably genuinely thinks they aren't. Famine has always been pretty open about his views and personal philosophy and with a small amount of research, plenty of interviews can be unearthed where he says exactly how he feels.

Now having said that, his views sometimes come off as contradictory, confusing and sometimes even nonsensical but that could be due to the fact his views are ever changing and developing (like everyone's hoefully), as a result of bad translations, or most importantly, the fact that he isn't a philosopher. It isn't really his job or duty to elegantly explain or describe his political or ethical views, and to be honest, who really cares? He isn't a politician, he is an underground musician who has very very little influence on society what-so-ever. I can't really take the reactions to these people's (relatively) harmless personal beliefs seriously.

On topic of Peste Noire's music, I love it. Peste Noire was and still is a breath of very fresh air in a genre which can at times become very stale and rehashed. I think Famine is a very talented guy; he is a really creative guitar player and his vocals are incredibly unique. It's pretty interesting sometimes how someone with such a conservative personal belief system can take a style of music which could be described as equally conservative and make something completely new and progressive.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:05 pm 
 

c_ wrote:
Who really cares?
On topic of Peste Noire's music, I love it.

+1000.

Like I said to some french metalheads during this last Brutal Assault, he's FREE! :thumbsup:

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henkkjelle wrote:
Actual quote of Famine commenting on pictures of him giving the right hand salute:

"I feel closer to Italian fascism than to German National Socialism. So how is it surprising that those who sympathize with fascism are making the right hand salute?"

Nothing to worry about he just feels close to Italian fascism!


So how does titling a release "Aryan Supremacy" jive with the idea that he's more into Italian fascism than Nazism or racialist/racist ideology?

In any case, I'm not sure that sympathizing more with Italian fascism is any better even if it were true. Both are morally repugnant to me. I'll probably never listen to Peste Noire because of this--not wanting to support those who promote ideas I believe to be destructive and harmful. It's not just a matter of being offended, it's matter of the spread of ideas that can actually stir up/validate prejudice and ruin lives.

Aside from the moral question, there are too many other bands out there that, even if the music's good, there's another band or album that I could enjoy just as equally. Especially now with music so accessible digitally, I just see no need to support something or someone I'm that opposed to.

It's not always clear-cut, and it's pretty impossible for me to only listen to or support artists who have never done anything I would consider to be morally wrong. Everyone has their own line. Mine is any band with connections to fascist or racist ideologies. Any act of listening is already selective - choosing to listen to this instead of that (something else) - so it just depends on what factors you base your choices on. While social/political factors might not be the primary factor for me, they certainly enter the mix.

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putrescent_stench wrote:
Aside from the moral question, there are too many other bands out there that, even if the music's good, there's another band or album that I could enjoy just as equally. Especially now with music so accessible digitally, I just see no need to support something or someone I'm that opposed to.

Abso-frickin-lutely. Thank you. There isn't a band in the world whose songs are so good that it trumps my morals. Music is my life, but it's not more important to me than what I think is fundamentally right and wrong. If something is even the slightest bit questionable I just move on to one of the hundreds of other interesting artists who are doing something similar.

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putrescent_stench wrote:
henkkjelle wrote:
Actual quote of Famine commenting on pictures of him giving the right hand salute:

"I feel closer to Italian fascism than to German National Socialism. So how is it surprising that those who sympathize with fascism are making the right hand salute?"

Nothing to worry about he just feels close to Italian fascism!


So how does titling a release "Aryan Supremacy" jive with the idea that he's more into Italian fascism than Nazism or racialist/racist ideology?

In any case, I'm not sure that sympathizing more with Italian fascism is any better even if it were true. Both are morally repugnant to me.


Well he said he isn't into German National Socialism as much as he's into Italian Facism. It's not like he's trying to hide his facist leanings. He seems proud of them and isn't afraid to let people know. Why else would he explicitly state the kind of Facism he likes? Just read some of his interviews. He seems pretty honest to me, so I'm inclined to believe him when he says he prefers Italian Facism. Why shouldn't we believe him?

But yeah, both ideologies are equally vile. No one should support him financially by buying his stuff.

I guess you could say that even by listening to his music without paying for it I'm supporting him by acknowledging his art but as I said before, I'm weak when it comes to music, and I think his music is great.
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Ahhh love the metal scene: black metal band sings about killing christians, totally cool. Sings about killing muslims: not cool. BM sings about communism: totally cool. BM band sings about Nazism: not cool. They call it EXTREME metal for a reason. Everyone has the right to be offended.
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There's only a handful of legit black metal bands with communist themed lyrics. The rest are post-black and thus not black metal. Not really comparable to the hundreds of bands strong NSBM scene.

The reason people are more annoyed by nazi lyrics than anti-christian lyrics is because those bands are connecting themselves to movements that still actually exist and kill people over nonsense ideas. There's no actually existing movement of demonic Tolkien orcs out there murdering xtians and midgets. You do understand the difference between fantasy and reality, right? So you can understand why people would be less concerned about playing along with the fantasy themes and more concerned with things connected to real life.

It is also the case that black metal fans who approve of anti-xtian lyrics in general is also ok with anti-muslim lyrics in general. This is demonstrated by some of the black metal bands that have anti-muslim lyrics and have strong followings with non-NS black metal fans, like Weapon. The only people who deny this fact are people trying to paint NSBM bands as big victims of a PC conspiracy to undermine white peoples' feelings of racial pride.

The kinds of anti-muslim lyrics in black metal that annoy people come out of the nationalist and NS black metal scenes, which are connected to political movements in western countries which are involved in violence against muslim minorities in those countries. So the point of contention isn't that most bm fans think islam is sacrosanct and beyond criticism, but that they don't think that criticism should be based on a stupid racial ideology that keeps getting people involved in actual retarded violence.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:33 am 
 

I'm on board with henkkjelle's approach of not financially supporting bands with idiotic political ideologies, and John_Sunlight gave a succinct and clear reasoning for the logic of that kind of decision.

Has everyone seen the ridiculous music video? It's trashy to the point where it's not quite charming anymore.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:55 am 
 

miskatonic79 wrote:
Ahhh love the metal scene: black metal band sings about killing christians, totally cool. Sings about killing muslims: not cool. BM sings about communism: totally cool. BM band sings about Nazism: not cool. They call it EXTREME metal for a reason. Everyone has the right to be offended.


John Sunlight already made a pretty strong rebuttal to this false equivalency, but I'll just add, building on what he said: it's more about whether the band or members of the band are actively promoting violence or racism. If there were bands that promoted actually killing Christians, I'd be as much against them as a band that promotes the killing of Muslism, or atheists, or Jews, or anyone else. Just like I'm mostly ok with listening to "Fucked with a Knife" because I don't actually think Cannibal Corpse promote raping and murdering women, but if they started yelling for men to attack women at shows or something like that, even if their lyrics were about cuddling puppies, I'd be against them.

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henkkjelle wrote:
Well he said he isn't into German National Socialism as much as he's into Italian Facism. It's not like he's trying to hide his facist leanings. He seems proud of them and isn't afraid to let people know. Why else would he explicitly state the kind of Facism he likes? Just read some of his interviews. He seems pretty honest to me, so I'm inclined to believe him when he says he prefers Italian Facism. Why shouldn't we believe him?


Maybe he's being truthful, I don't know that much about Peste Noire to say one way or another, I just find it hard not to think that someone who would release a demo titled "Aryan Supremacy" doesn't have some Nazi/racialist beliefs. How would you explain that?

People can be equivocal all the time. See Phil Anselmo and the "white wine" incident. Also, somehow there seems to be this idea that Italian fascism is less reprehensible, or even admirable, compared to Nazism, or that Mussolini was a great leader, compared to Hitler and Stalin. President Trump (I think it was before he was elected though) even Tweeted a Mussolini quote.

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I guess you could say that even by listening to his music without paying for it I'm supporting him by acknowledging his art but as I said before, I'm weak when it comes to music, and I think his music is great.


Yeah, I still wouldn't listen to music made by NSBM bands even for free, just because, as I said, there are so many others out there to choose from. I might listen for curiosity's sake or if I wanted to analyze it for some reason. But I can understand if you feel enough attachment to the music that you listen for free, if you feel there's something special about it to you. I'm sure many of the artists I support monetarily or otherwise have done or support fucked up things, whether it's music, movies, literature, or otherwise. I guess for me, too many people are willing to look the other way when it comes to racism, so I choose to draw a pretty strong line there.

One of the guys from Exhumed wrote an essay about this recently, in response to a letter MetalSucks wrote to Hells Headbangers demanding they stop distributing NSBM bands. He said that even though he opposed racism and NSBM bands, he supported HH's right to distribute them. It was pretty interesting and for the most part, I agreed with a lot of what he said. Personally, though, if I ran a record distribution company, I'd never distribute NSBM bands. Just like when it comes to which bands you listen to, as a distributor, you have to be selective anyway. But it's an interesting read if you're into the subject.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:30 am 
 

I don't have the feeling of being supporting NOTHING by listening to his albums. Even less any political movement, of course.
Anyway, I do agree that he seems like an idiot, his last movements don't help and that makes me, sometimes, feel unconfortable when I'm wearing my Peste Noire hoodie surrounded by people. Some of them could thing I'm an idiot and could get me into trouble. Or I could make new (nazi) friends. :P
Anyway, I don't mind. I like their music.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:55 am 
 

Guess I have to add the usual caveat: I denounce any right-wing ideologies, fascist sympathies, racism and nazism present in Peste Noire or any other band yadda yadda yadda bigotry and authoritarianism is very bad blah blah blah

Ok now that that's over, in regards to the video, it was definitely goofy as fuck but I dug it. Came out well, even though Famine yelling at the camera with his little gang behind him was like a total cliche from a hip-hop video. Made me laugh. Though it does help considerably that "Le Dernier Putsch" is one of the better songs from La Chaise-Dyable.

Can't wait to get something from the new album. It's been over a year since the news broke. L'ordure à l'état pur is their best sounding album in my opinion, so having the same engineering team bodes well.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:22 am 
 

I like the video, for the most part, even if a few elements aren't exactly to my taste (e.g. the guys with knives looked kind of stupid, imo). That said, if it wasn't a little on the excessive, ridiculous and overbearing side then it wouldn't exactly be true to the spirit of KPN, would it?

Also, lol @ the cultists who refuse to even listen to anything which is outside of their pre-defined ideological paramaters, petrified of catching racism through osmosis or of the little frisson of cognitive dissonance they might experience when they hear a titillatingly intolerant chord progression. Once you're willing to go that far, you might end up questioning the "non-human" status of the musicians responsible for the piece, don't you know. That would be just frightful!

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