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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:01 am 
 

No man, the Morpheus Descends was a good price but not 'cheap', I was saying your Misery CD was a score for $10 :lol:

Morpheus Descends - Chronicles Of The Shadowed Ones
This is the CD I got http://www.discogs.com/release/5446516
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MetalRulesTheNight
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:25 am 
 

Machine_Dead wrote:
I just keep wondering if there will be a moment in time where all those classic first press metal albums will all get massively dumped into the market again (for example, when all those kids from the early days (late 80s/early 90s generation) hit 60+ years old, should be somewhere from the year 2030 on...), where they all sell for dumpingprices by then because nobody will give a shit about all of that by then, or will the selling price just keep going up to unimaginable hights? For example, are the metal classics by then considered the 1950's Elvis Presley Vinyl EP's that are selling for thousands of euro's now? Or will metal albums prove to be different in cult-ness, and just be totally forgotten about? Only time will tell I guess. But you gotta hand it, it would be pretty ironic if there is moment coming when everyone wants to get rid of all those albums and no one wants to buy them by then. And who knows maybe the high price rarities by then will be stuff like the last couple of albums of bands like A Day to Remember, Suicide Silence, Parkway Drive, Between The Buried And Me, Animals As Leaders, etc. Kind of a morbid look into the future for metal, but I guess it's just better to ignore that kind of thinking and keep living in the 'now'... But it would be interesting to hear other peoples thoughts on this.....


Some interesting points here!
Metalheads is an aging audience. It appears that more people are giving up than youngsters coming in. IMO there will always be demand for certain CDs and LPs pretty much like the Elvis example you mentioned. If this demand will be high or mid-low (thus the future adjustments in the prices of items) we will find out then. Having said that, I think that there will still be a significant audience of younger generations who will enjoy Metal from the 1980s/1990s no matter what. Small audience? Yes; but still an audience.
And of course bands like A Day to Remember, Suicide Silence, Parkway Drive etc will have their own future audience who will consider them cult or whatever.
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:43 am 
 

MetalRulesTheNight wrote:
And of course bands like A Day to Remember, Suicide Silence, Parkway Drive etc will have their own future audience who will consider them cult or whatever.
I will rue that day, rue it! :nono: :lol:
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MetalRulesTheNight
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:07 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
MetalRulesTheNight wrote:
And of course bands like A Day to Remember, Suicide Silence, Parkway Drive etc will have their own future audience who will consider them cult or whatever.
I will rue that day, rue it! :nono: :lol:


Just like we listen and adore DIO, Sabbath, Slayer [fill your own here] there are other people who feel the same about Korn, Suicide Silence etc. Also there are people who feel the same like us for other, completely different music styles: free jazz, underground disco, hambo, minuet etc etc.

- "Underground Disco?!" - :scratch:

the same reaction he got when I mentioned "Black Metal"
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Machine_Dead
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:59 am 
 

even Listenable records is going along with the rarity mania and trying to make some serious bucks out of it :nono: http://www.shop.listenable.net/en/5496- ... rare-.html

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Nameless_Rites
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:27 am 
 

MetalRulesTheNight wrote:
Machine_Dead wrote:
I just keep wondering if there will be a moment in time where all those classic first press metal albums will all get massively dumped into the market again (for example, when all those kids from the early days (late 80s/early 90s generation) hit 60+ years old, should be somewhere from the year 2030 on...), where they all sell for dumpingprices by then because nobody will give a shit about all of that by then, or will the selling price just keep going up to unimaginable hights? For example, are the metal classics by then considered the 1950's Elvis Presley Vinyl EP's that are selling for thousands of euro's now? Or will metal albums prove to be different in cult-ness, and just be totally forgotten about? Only time will tell I guess. But you gotta hand it, it would be pretty ironic if there is moment coming when everyone wants to get rid of all those albums and no one wants to buy them by then. And who knows maybe the high price rarities by then will be stuff like the last couple of albums of bands like A Day to Remember, Suicide Silence, Parkway Drive, Between The Buried And Me, Animals As Leaders, etc. Kind of a morbid look into the future for metal, but I guess it's just better to ignore that kind of thinking and keep living in the 'now'... But it would be interesting to hear other peoples thoughts on this.....


Some interesting points here!
Metalheads is an aging audience. It appears that more people are giving up than youngsters coming in. IMO there will always be demand for certain CDs and LPs pretty much like the Elvis example you mentioned. If this demand will be high or mid-low (thus the future adjustments in the prices of items) we will find out then. Having said that, I think that there will still be a significant audience of younger generations who will enjoy Metal from the 1980s/1990s no matter what. Small audience? Yes; but still an audience.
And of course bands like A Day to Remember, Suicide Silence, Parkway Drive etc will have their own future audience who will consider them cult or whatever.


I would disagree. When I was first getting into underground metal around 1997, there were far fewer young fans than there are now. A lot of those metalcore fans do end up checking out death metal etc eventually. When I was in high school (1998-2002) there were only four real metalheads, including me. I majored in Secondary Education at university; by the time I was doing my high school teaching internship a few years ago, I encountered plenty of students into legit metal. Of course this is just my experience.

Tthe thing is they mostly just get MP3s and go to shows and do not buy that many CDs. So overall I think the audience for metal is doing fine, but the audience for collectable CDs/LPs is aging.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:55 am 
 

I had a good laugh about this yesterday. I saw this guy on Ebay who has the first two Crown of Thorns CDs for sale, the Swedish band that later changed their name to The Crown. He must think they're way more rare than they are because he wants a thousand dollars for each one. I see copies on Discogs for like $25 bucks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROWN-OF-THORNS-THE-BURNING-at-the-gates-the-crown-god-macabre-1995-BLACK-SUN-/111455646245?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item19f3463225

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROWN-OF-THORNS-ETERNAL-DEATH-at-the-gates-god-macabre-utumno-1997-BLACK-SUN-/121430025990?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item1c45cb2706

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:43 am 
 

^
That's hilarious!

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thesilentenigma
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:12 pm 
 

He likes cassettes and black metal, he's clearly clinically retarded so you shouldn't make fun of him.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:43 am 
 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/111455646245
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121430025990

Imagine the fees he will be paying on them + Paypal too
http://www.fees.ebay.com/feeweb/feecalculator
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RepulsiveVenom
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:13 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
No man, the Morpheus Descends was a good price but not 'cheap', I was saying your Misery CD was a score for $10 :lol:

Morpheus Descends - Chronicles Of The Shadowed Ones
This is the CD I got http://www.discogs.com/release/5446516



Ah yeah, gotcha. Indeed Misery was one hell of a score. I don't think I've ever seen a Morpheus Descends album cheap haha.
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DCCLXXVII
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:25 pm 
 

Most I've ever paid for anything was about $70 (including shipping) for the Vaakevandring EP. It was worth it.
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nr655321
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:23 am 
 

Just got Gorguts Obscura on CD for *really cheap* (no bootleg, mind you) and i'd like to know approx. how much can i except to sell it on ebay. I just checked on the amazon marketplace and the prices are just ridiculous!

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MetalRulesTheNight
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:35 am 
 

nr655321 wrote:
Just got Gorguts Obscura on CD for *really cheap* (no bootleg, mind you) and i'd like to know approx. how much can i except to sell it on ebay. I just checked on the amazon marketplace and the prices are just ridiculous!


check here: http://heavymetalcd.com/cd_prices/searc ... %20Obscura
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:40 am 
 

nr655321 wrote:
Just got Gorguts Obscura on CD for *really cheap* (no bootleg, mind you) and i'd like to know approx. how much can i except to sell it on ebay. I just checked on the amazon marketplace and the prices are just ridiculous!
Depends which version it is...
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nr655321
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:05 am 
 

This one: http://www.discogs.com/Gorguts-Obscura/release/1139466

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:14 am 
 

I'll give you $50 USD right now
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nr655321
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:27 am 
 

Ok, that gives me an idea. I will put the album on sale on ebay in a few days and we'll see what happens (i'll pm you the link).

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MARSDUDE
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:51 pm 
 

The Japanese version of Remedy Lane is on eBay for sale at something like $130USD.
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JohnTheDrummer
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:53 pm 
 

I picked up all 4 of Pantera's pre-CFH CDs for a bit over $100 :D

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:03 pm 
 

Aldious' 1st EP Dear Slave just went for 41,500 yen (around $400 US). Fucking insane price for a pro-printed CDr with only 4 songs on it. I guess the other times I saw this listed for around 50,000 yen had some basis in reality after all.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:38 am 
 

I just tripped over this, someone is trying to sell it for $2,561.91 :eek: someone else is asking $4,500.00 o_O
Nirvana ‎– Love Buzz b/w Big Cheese
http://www.discogs.com/Nirvana-Love-Buzz-bw-Big-Cheese/release/392900
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:30 am 
 

I can't believe you e-tards. When I had my distro I couldn't sell these damn things for $4 each, I still have some brand new and unplayed. Now morons are paying $88 for them? Disgusting.



Ceremonium - No Longer Silent

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ceremonium-Diss ... 7675.l2557



It's nice to see ebay added an option to view "Sold" items within the 'Completed Listings' category.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:08 am 
 

Another one I have multiple copies of and couldn't give away back then. Not nearly as bitter about this one as it's a really good album that's been overlooked for some 20 years now.

Dominus - View To The Dim ($59.99)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOMINUS-034-Vie ... 7675.l2557







What's the deal here, why would someone pay $59.99 for Unanimated's "Ancient God of Evil"? This original is a dime a dozen. The one I can't find is the remastered version of this, none even to be had on ebay. Tons of the original release though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNANIMATED-Anci ... 7675.l2557

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mornox
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:17 pm 
 

Scalpers buy out albums whenever they get even the slightest suspicion it might be rare and classic and then resell it at massively jacked up prices. I actually saw this in action very recently with the Buried Beneath album. It got brought up in the death metal classics thread, an unknown black/death band from the main guy behind Night Conquers Day that's pretty cool, has one comp out with all their stuff. So I look on discogs and three people have it for sale for a standard cd price, all somewhere below 15 euros. I buy one, someone else from the thread buys one, and the third one gets bought as well by an unknown third. Fast forward about a week when I get it in the mail and put it in my collection on discogs, where you can see what it's actually selling for now. Lo and behold, one new listing of that album. Wanna guess the price?...

45 euros. 45 fucking euros. I hate scalpers so godsdamned much.

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Machine_Dead
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:43 pm 
 

Why are those type of guys always Italians ? I didn't know the mob is into buying and selling of metal rarities :lol: (i am actually laughing with this, but imagine if it's actually true? o_0 )

Btw, If you look at the prices of the stuff he's selling, it just doesn't make sense, the dude really doesn't know the value of the cd's he's buying/selling

http://www.discogs.com/seller/robtet2/p ... eath+Metal

Vader - the Beast for 35 euro ? Soilwork - Sworn To A Great divide slipcase for 50 euro ? Six feet under - Warpath for 40 euro ? unk? :durr:

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thesilentenigma
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:31 am 
 

It's one thing to ask an obscene amount, but the three I listed above actually sold at those obscene amounts.

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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:33 am 
 

mornox wrote:
45 euros. 45 fucking euros. I hate scalpers so godsdamned much.


There are some reasonable people on discogs still - i got this CD for 13 EUR 3 weeks ago :)

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:05 am 
 

robtet2 has about 40 things from my want list, I feel like reporting him for charging too much.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:31 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
robtet2 has about 40 things from my want list, I feel like reporting him for charging too much.


21 from my want-list as well :)

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:34 am 
 

Yeah well I'll tell you right now I am NOT paying 60 Euros for an Electric Wizard or Pestilence CD when others have hem listed for under 20 Euros :nono:
Half of his stuff is "new" too, which is interesting... 20+ year old "new" albums aye? really?!
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:37 am 
 

Let's just wish him good luck with selling for such ridiculous prices :)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:48 am 
 

There are a few known high priced users on Discogs, and that Robtet2 dude is one of more blatant ones. I remember he was asking something like 60€ for the 1999 first press of the Skitsystem debut, which is preposterous to say the least. But there are more, Tatulin (CZ) and Noisefreak (DE) for instance also ask for higher than thou prices. I can't remember more names at the moment but I'm sure there are a few more regulars that abuse on the prices.

As for the Ebay listings, there are still idiots paying the prices guys like Chebanana ask, so no wonder people get skinned alive on albums that aren't even rare.

PS: Hey Dread, check your PMs on Discogs. ;)

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dreadmeat
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Oh man, Chebanana is a comedienne! :lol:
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thesilentenigma
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:07 am 
 

Oh wow, we have a martketplace, sweet. Now if I can only find the motivation to update a 10 year old list with 3,000 cds :/

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Excelfan
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:38 am 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
Oh wow, we have a martketplace, sweet. Now if I can only find the motivation to update a 10 year old list with 3,000 cds :/


I can give you motivation with my want list for which i am ready to pay a really nice amount of cash,ha,ha!If you want to see it,i am ready to send it to you and make some business!

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mornox
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:15 pm 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
Oh wow, we have a martketplace, sweet. Now if I can only find the motivation to update a 10 year old list with 3,000 cds :/


Good luck with that, I only needed to put about 1500 cds into my not-for-sale collection, so I didn't need to worry about prices or descriptions and that took me about eight hours. :lol:

But my earlier griping about rip-offs aside, discogs is great. You can find plenty of stuff for decent prices, and the ability to rate both buyers and sellers does a great job on keeping everything on the level. It also helps that it's not run by corporate scum like ebay and amazon, it's just a pleasant place all around.

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Spiner202
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:30 pm 
 

This is kind of a difficult question, but do you guys know of any specific old-school thrash or death metal albums that have skyrocketed in price over the last couple of years? My buddy was messaging me about finding a copy of Witchtrap's "Sorceress Bitch" and how it isn't really available, but I realized that you sort of forget what is/isn't in print after you buy CDs. It's the same thing with the Metal Mind reissue of By Inheritance.

The reason I ask is because I'm trying to identify if any of these albums will sell for at least $50+. If so, I'll flip the ones that suck/aren't that interesting. I can't get rid of either of those because they're really awesome, but I'm wondering if I have anything else in my collection like that.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:52 pm 
 

Spiner202 wrote:
This is kind of a difficult question, but do you guys know of any specific old-school thrash or death metal albums that have skyrocketed in price over the last couple of years? My buddy was messaging me about finding a copy of Witchtrap's "Sorceress Bitch" and how it isn't really available, but I realized that you sort of forget what is/isn't in print after you buy CDs. It's the same thing with the Metal Mind reissue of By Inheritance.

The reason I ask is because I'm trying to identify if any of these albums will sell for at least $50+. If so, I'll flip the ones that suck/aren't that interesting. I can't get rid of either of those because they're really awesome, but I'm wondering if I have anything else in my collection like that.


The one that springs most readily to mind and is one of the biggest head-scratchers for me is Nuclear Assault's Survive. They claim it costs too much to reacquire the license to reprint it, so that is the one album of theirs which is just absurdly hard to get, given the stature and popularity of the band involved.

Protector's stuff is all really expensive, especially their middle albums (the ones before that have at least been repressed on to comps). Hopefully, now that they're back to being a fully active band again, we might see them finally reprinting their full catalog.

There's a ton of stuff from Nuclear Blast's early releases which they never bothered reprinting, which tend to easily break the 60 dollar barrier. Monstrosity's debut springs to mind. Same goes for Black Mark's non-Bathory related releases, one or two printings is usually all they got, so stuff like Cemetary or Seance tends to be quite pricey (although Black Mark's stuff is now getting reissues through other labels, all of Necrosanct's stuff has been repressed last year, and I might have seen Seance reissued. I tend to lose track of what's happening with releases once I have a copy of an album).

Having said all that, if you have an original pressing of anything death/thrash metal related from the eighties or nineties, collectors will pay good money for it, whether or not it's been reissued.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:21 pm 
 

Thanks for the info. My question was more aimed to things that have been reissued in the last decade or so, but are expensive now. If I had a copy of Survive, I'd never sell it! Same thing with Protector.

I think Gammacide's Victims of Science was like this until last year's reissue, although that's another album I could never part with.

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