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Realgoth
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:23 am 
 

So I am more confused with this band. My dying bride is considered as gothic-doom metal band. They are God fathers of doom, no doubt in it but I really didn't find any gothic metal influence in them, except for some tracks but that's not enough to labeled them into Gothic. The only pure gothic-doom metal is Paradise Lost. My dying bride as no elements of gothic metal in them

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:26 am 
 

If you exclude some songs from their carreer to get the genre tag you want, why not exclude all of them and make them a brand of clothing?
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Realgoth
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:44 am 
 

If you exclude some songs from their carreer to get the genre tag you want, why not exclude all of them and make them a brand of clothing?
@Paganiusl why you are so rude. My point was just that if they are death-doom metal then they should be labeled as that only and not as gothic

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:44 am 
 

Realgoth wrote:
If you exclude some songs from their carreer to get the genre tag you want, why not exclude all of them and make them a brand of clothing?
@Paganiusl why you are so rude. My point was just that if they are death-doom metal then they should be labeled as that only and not as gothic

I'm sorry if I sounded rude. I just criticised your exclutions and reduced it to absurdity with a fair bit of sarcasm and tried to be at least somewhat funny... MDB surely started as Death/Doom, but even in their early days they had some gothic elements within their sound, subtle perhaps, but they were there. And over time they lost most a couple of their death influences (without loosing them completely) and shifted towards the gothic doom as they are listed here. I don't know all of their releases, but might it be possible that they just approached that theme in a different way than Paradise Lost? "Gothic" as a genre is very multi-facetted and it's influence on metal goes far beyond cheesy keyboards and high-pitched female vocals.
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true_death
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:03 pm 
 

I personally view My Dying Bride as doom/death metal band, with a strong influence from gothic literature in their lyrics. I understand why they're lumped in with that scene, but I don't use the "gothic" term to describe their actual music simply because they (barring a few songs) never really had the overt Sisters of Mercy/The Cure-styled goth rock influence that was readily apparent in the music of Paradise Lost, Anathema, Katatonia, Tiamat, and many others. To me, My Dying Bride were a totally different breed from any of those bands. In a way, I suppose calling them "gothic metal" is like calling Amon Amarth "Viking metal" or Running Wild "pirate metal".
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cultofkraken
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:42 pm 
 

true_death wrote:
I personally view My Dying Bride as doom/death metal band, with a strong influence from gothic literature in their lyrics. I understand why they're lumped in with that scene, but I don't use the "gothic" term to describe their actual music simply because they (barring a few songs) never really had the overt Sisters of Mercy/The Cure-styled goth rock influence that was readily apparent in the music of Paradise Lost, Anathema, Katatonia, Tiamat, and many others. To me, My Dying Bride were a totally different breed from any of those bands. In a way, I suppose calling them "gothic metal" is like calling Amon Amarth "Viking metal" or Running Wild "pirate metal".


I’m with you here, except I think I do hear a vocal influence on Aaron from say Sisters of Mercy and maybe a bit of Bauhaus/Ian Curtis JD etc.. I think the Gothic we ascribe to MDB is more of a Victorian Gothic influence than modern/postmodern Gothic, and certainly musically I’d say none of the instrumentation is goth rock influenced at all like you said.
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blackmantram
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:48 am 
 

Friendly reminder that nowadays the word "gothic" is mainly used for keyboard-driven metal with a melancholic feeling that cannot fit the "symphonic" tag. Perhaps it was originally intended to describe goth rock influenced metal, but it has little to do with it really.

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