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Ball Cupper
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:58 pm 
 

Unorthodox wrote:
Gain some fucking perspective, separate the artist from the art.

I guess this is a whole other fucking conversation, but it's an interesting one. I wouldn't ever think of separating the two, since so often the views of the artist inform the music, even in such intangible ways.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:29 pm 
 

The views of the artist informs the music less than the surrounding society informs the music. They're not entirely separable, but music can be seen through both an individualistic and cultural context. For example, Anti-Christianity as a lyrical topic simultaneously reflects both the artists outlook on religion and the dominance of Christianity. If Christianity wasn't as dominant as it is, Anti-Christian lyricism/stage antics/etc wouldn't be as meaningful. Anti-Pagan metal isn't a thing because very few people are Pagan.

I don't think this really has much to do with Taake's situation though. Seems like a bunch of people are being easily offended.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:07 pm 
 

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I think it's funny what these people find important. You got second degree murderers and people who've assaulted pregnant women that get unwaivering support from their millions of hip hop fans on soundcloud, but one little black metal band puts up a swastika 11+ years ago and everyone in antifa freaks the fuck out.

Gain some fucking perspective, separate the artist from the art.

So you're mad a group formed to literally combat one thing and one thing alone, fascism, isn't also yelling at underground rappers for domestic abuse?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:46 pm 
 

acid_bukkake wrote:
Unorthodox wrote:
I think it's funny what these people find important. You got second degree murderers and people who've assaulted pregnant women that get unwaivering support from their millions of hip hop fans on soundcloud, but one little black metal band puts up a swastika 11+ years ago and everyone in antifa freaks the fuck out.

Gain some fucking perspective, separate the artist from the art.

So you're mad a group formed to literally combat one thing and one thing alone, fascism, isn't also yelling at underground rappers for domestic abuse?


It's a choose your battles thing, as well as another example of rock creating its own irrelevance in modern culture. And no, not "underground rap". We're talking artists that are some of the most listened to on soundcloud/youtube/etc right now, across multiple countries. Once again, liberal minded individuals are choosing to fight people over speech/expression rather than action/violence. For white America (emphasis on the 'white' part), there is little 'violent fascism' going on. What there actually is, is expressed stupidity/ignorance from authoritarians on the right. Therefore, a lot of speech/expression that appeals to these right wing authoritarians is seen as an imminent threat that needs shut down.

Meanwhile, actual violence occurs in a scene that has very different listening demographics, and no one gives enough of a fuck to pull promotion/cancel shows/etc. It shows how fucking wimpy and lame the rock scene has become compared to other genres. When certain subjects become "taboo", younger people will blow it the fuck off and go for the more dangerous shit. That's how kids are, that's definitely what got a lot of people attracted to death metal in the 90's or even thrash in the 80's.

..also, if antifa is afraid of nazi-propaganda, they shouldn't be, because propaganda doesn't fucking work. You can wave a nazi flag all you want, but if people aren't open to accepting your ideas, they will shut you the fuck out and laugh at you.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:44 pm 
 

Is it okay for Antifa to boycott venues, contact promoters about the band , and peacefully protest the shows outside? Yes.
Is it okay for Antifa to send bomb threats to venues, gang up on metalheads walking alone, and fight back against police (see Messe Des Morts 2016)? No.

We live in an age where people want attention and will do whatever gets them more likes on social media. This leads to virtue signalling by speaking out against anything wrong (racism, sexism, etc) and no one gave a shit about any of this 11 years ago but they do now. I don't mind if anyone is part of the first group, but fuck you if you are part of the second that thinks it's okay to start violence. Speak out against anything but do it peacefully. The ones at fault are those that throw the first punch.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:43 pm 
 

Antifa is fighting fascism by dressing up like ISIS and violently intimidating people with the wrong opinion. Wow! Totally different from fascism! Sounds like a distinction without a difference there. No matter if Antifa or the fascists win, we will lose. Neither of them will protect my freedom of speech.

I am anti-fascist, but I am also anti-communist leftie authoritarians.

Thankfully, the American Antifa are mostly soft college student at this point. Look how the German Antifa acted during the last G20 meeting. They made Hamburg look like a war-zone, and the mainstream German media purposefully didn't cover it. They are a state-sanctioned militia.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:50 pm 
 

raumr wrote:
state-sanctioned

How do you figure?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:13 pm 
 

I should have said "state approved". If an equivalent right wing group formed, the authorities would have given them a beatdown. Look at Nordfront in Sweden.

Although antifa in Norway (called Blitzers) are funded by NGO's indirectly funded by the state.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:24 pm 
 

If this post has some truth to it, Antifa is the problem

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:20 am 
 

Based on my interactions with them and how they run the place, I'm sure they did cancel the show because they perceived some kind of threat or bad press, not because they think Taake are villains.

On a funrelated note, some of my coworkers were complaining about the cancellations because they wanted to see the rapper.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:37 am 
 

TheMysticWombat wrote:
Is it okay for Antifa to send bomb threats to venues, gang up on metalheads walking alone, and fight back against police (see Messe Des Morts 2016)? No.

raumr wrote:
Antifa is fighting fascism by dressing up like ISIS and violently intimidating people with the wrong opinion. Wow! Totally different from fascism! Sounds like a distinction without a difference there. No matter if Antifa or the fascists win, we will lose. Neither of them will protect my freedom of speech.

TheMysticWombat wrote:
If this post has some truth to it, Antifa is the problem.

John_Sunlight wrote:
Based on my interactions with them and how they run the place, I'm sure they did cancel the show because they perceived some kind of threat or bad press, not because they think Taake are villains.

Well done, stupids! That's NOT fascism. :nono:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:16 am 
 

Metalsucks is reporting Taake’s Entire North American Tour Has Been Canceled.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:10 am 
 

Lythronax wrote:

Even better. This so stupid... wait, Antifa is.

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Hope this nonsense does NOT expand to Europe and we can continue enjoying MUSIC SHOWS:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:52 am 
 

MetalSucks linked to this Tumblr blog, or whatever it is, in their article and I can't fucking believe my eyes :lol:: http://red-and-anarchist-black-metal.tu ... i-piece-of
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:44 am 
 

Dr. Peterson explains why this is happening at this time and why these antifa bozos (together with the pathetic current left) are under the delusion that they are the final synthesis of human morals. Because of that youthful and pretentious delusion, they have concluded that they have the monopoly of virtues in the history of mankind. In their heads, the history of human morals and philosophical development goes something like this: Plato > Aristotle > St. Thomas Aquinas > Descartes > Schopenhauer > 25 year old spoilt antifa with a solid background in reading counter culture pamphlets and having the worldview of the progressive establishment, basically the worldview of the “lefty beautiful people”; Katy Perry saying we should all “just like, co exist” (nobody ever tried that, we are glad she’s here to be a template of a human to us). Naturally, since those dynamos of the history of morals think their worldview coincides with the absolute objective moral climax of the history of ethics, as well as with reality itself, they concluded that they will cleanse the world of people that they don't like/who don’t agree with them, starting with censorship, and then attacking people.

Of course there is NOT a real Nazi problem in the USA. Half a dozen idiots in Charlottesville in a population of 310 MILLION people doesn't mean a real issue. The left is hysterical, they are having a hissy fit because empirical, tangible reality and human nature/history has nothing to do with their idiotic utopian perspectives/frustrations and resentment towards the world, and they want their agenda, political doctrine, ideological principles and worldview to be turned into state policy. FINALLY, they are admitting that freedom of speech is not a value to them.

Liberals, marxists, leftists = the garbage of the west. Ideologically challenged people who know NOTHING about the history of philosophy and have NO IDEA of where their idiotic post-Frankfurt, post-Gramsci, Derrida identity politics (which they use as a substitute for having and ego/meaning in life/responsibility) came from. A bunch of idiotic kids who had their heads destroyed by pathetic ideology via counter culture, memes, leftist websites, 1960s nostalgia and punk/rock lyrics written by semi-literate 20 year olds. The current left is the most PATHETIC popular incarnation of Marx's dialectics and western post 19th century progressivism since the 1917 revolution.

The current "caviar left" (kids whom are taken by habits, mannerisms, comforts, technology, even addictions, which only exist on this galaxy due to the developments of the bourgeoisie class and of free market capitalism... with a virtue signalling, NARCISSISTIC, pseudo-socialist discourse) are the most ridiculous, idiotic, degraded, undignified, uninformed, stupid version of anti western thought that ever came out of this pseudo-scientific/sociological tradition, whose contribution to the history of mankind was a century of death and genocide. It’s like an army of vice readers who think they are the ones chosen by destiny to define the fate of human civilization. Clueless fashion obsessed hipsters and youth-subculture kids who inflate their egos to feel they have some kind of importance in the history of the species, spewing out the most laughable ideological re-heated 1960s slogans, childish worldviews and cliches, whilst enjoying a lifestyle which could only exist in western civilization. The left simply can't sink any lower.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:05 am 
 

true_death wrote:
MetalSucks linked to this Tumblr blog, or whatever it is, in their article and I can't fucking believe my eyes :lol:: http://red-and-anarchist-black-metal.tu ... i-piece-of


Gee. No use wasting energy on people like that.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:15 am 
 

Statement from Taake:

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It is with great regret that we have to inform you that Taake's US Tour has been cancelled. Despite all those incredible people who stepped up and tried to help us save the tour, and to whom we are more grateful than we can express, time and logistics are just not on our side. It was not our wish to cancel, but the decision was forced on us by the illegal activities of Antifa and its supporters who applied pressure on venues and promoters to cancel shows. Pressure, it has to be said, that has frequently been accompanied with threats of violence both towards those involved in the organisation and towards any fans attending (not to mention the bands who would be playing). Why these threats are not reported to the police, we don't know.
We have explained on many, many occasions, the history behind what caused the problems, and there are plenty of articles in the unbiased press and on social media where you can read the truth of it, but just for the sake of clarity Taake is not now, has never been, and never will be a Nazi band. What we want to address here is the cancellation of the tour itself.
This cancellation is unfortunate in many ways, not just for the bands who were going to take part. Not just for the ordinary working Americans with families to support and bills to pay who have lost much needed income because of it. Not just for the fans who wanted to see the bands. Not just for music fans in general. But, also, and more importantly, for America as a whole.
Why? Because it is the ultimate demonstration of how, through the dissemination of lies, misinformation and unfounded accusations, along with credible threats of violence, a small minority of left wing agitators are able to force their agenda on the majority, and deprive music fans of their freedom to attend concerts and go about their day to day activities without the fear of reprisals and retaliation.
And these agitators won't stop once they have destroyed the soft targets from Europe and other parts of the world. Their next targets will be American music, American art, American literature, American theatre, American cinema. Anything, in fact, that does not adhere strictly to their views. And if this reminds you of the McCarthy witch hunts, it is because that is EXACTLY what it is like.
Whilst none of us blame venues for cancelling because they are afraid of violence, we do deplore the excuses presented by some of them. The desire to "protect" their audience and staff, to create "safe spaces" is not a need brought about by the bands involved, nor their fans. It is the masked thugs hiding behind the banner of Antifa and other organisations like them, who are doing all the threatening. And maybe we should also remind these venues that so many of the musical genres today exist due to those other small venues back in the day who dared stand up to threats and gave a voice to those musicians who brought us Blues and Jazz - the basis of so much of today's music.
We would also like to speak out about celebrities like Talib Kweli, who was unfortunate enough to have allowed himself to be played by the lies spread by Antifa and who, as a result, issued statements that are libellous and slanderous. His heart may have misguidedly been in the right place, but his brain, and his legal advisors, were not. Had he bothered to check the facts he would have realised that he had put himself in a position of looking like someone who doesn't know, or understand, or even care about, all the facts, and who is easily manipulated by others to dance to their tune.
We should also mention those members of the press who failed to fact check and did not bother to contact us, or anyone else for that matter, for our side of the story. They simply went right ahead and printed libellous statements. This is irresponsible journalism at its worst, and we can't just single out inexperienced editors of webzines. Complicit in this are long-established and (once) respected publications. Their actions show the utter contempt they have for facts and the disrespect they have for their readers.
Ending on a positive note, we really do need thank those who stood by us, and especially the venues who refused to be cowed, and those that stepped in offering us alternatives for cancelled shows. We have had messages from all over the world, and from people of all political and religious persuasions, offering not just their support, but also offering their help. And these are not just our fans. We have been contacted by people who admit that they had never heard of us, or that they hate black metal, or that they hate Taake, but have nevertheless felt compelled to let us know of the disgust they feel at the way Antifa, and their like, demand slavish adherence to their agenda, and punish anyone who defies them, riding roughshod over the freedoms of the American people to decide for themselves.
You, my friends, do not need to apologise for the lies and actions of a fringe group. You are the majority, you are the ones who refuse to bow your heads to those who would dictate how you live your lives, and who attempt to restrict your freedoms - you are the ones who can do something about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:03 am 
 

It sucks that his tour got cancelled over this misinformation and hysteria - but on the other side, acting like this shit is something new that just started happening lately is ridiculous. People have always been misinformed like this and it will always happen. There was no golden age of history where certain things weren't demonized, taken out of context, taken too seriously, etc - it has and always will happen. It sucks but let's not get hysterical ourselves and act like there's some horrible "dark future" ahead of us because of this shit.
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Well, this is a sad situation for the fans of Taake in America who are now not able to see them live. I bet the Antifa thugs who threatened and intimidated venue owners sleep well tonight. They defeated facsists after all! They are the moral crusaders of justice and kindness!

Fuck Antifa. They use violent intimidation to pressure people to cancel music events. They are bullies and thugs, and we should all stand up to them in the name of free speech and liberty. And no, I'm not talking about the technical details of the 1st anmendment, I'm talking about the spirit of free expression.

We do not have to tolerate intolerance. I'll bet Antifa starts burning books and records soon, without realizing the irony.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:43 am 
 

Truly sad news about the tour being cancelled, but they had some good things to say in the statement, and it seemed optimistic even. It really sucks that people are going to miss out on seeing them; I am glad that I had the experience of seeing them a while back and I hope they will be able to return one day without any issues.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:23 am 
 

Lythronax wrote:
Statement from Taake:
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Thanks. :beer:

https://www.facebook.com/taakeofficial/posts/1723116881088879

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raumr wrote:
Well, this is a sad situation for the fans of Taake in America who are now not able to see them live. I bet the Antifa thugs who threatened and intimidated venue owners sleep well tonight. They defeated facsists after all! They are the moral crusaders of justice and kindness!

Fuck Antifa. They use violent intimidation to pressure people to cancel music events. They are bullies and thugs, and we should all stand up to them in the name of free speech and liberty. And no, I'm not talking about the technical details of the 1st anmendment, I'm talking about the spirit of free expression.

We do not have to tolerate intolerance. I'll bet Antifa starts burning books and records soon, without realizing the irony.


I'll worry about them if they ever have a chance of affecting any real change in this country. Right now it's super niche and not that big of a deal in the grand scheme.

If you're afraid of "McCarthyism" coming back, or Nazi-style censorship... well everything we talk about and enjoy was created and flourished after those things had passed from the Earth. It isn't a permanent thing - there were always censors and people who wanted to suppress art and it's ludicrous to think that now, of all times, it will actually work and be permanent. Shit happens. It won't last.
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Empyreal wrote:
I'll worry about them if they ever have a chance of affecting any real change in this country. Right now it's super niche and not that big of a deal in the grand scheme.


The strange thing is, as many have pointed out, that they are targeting black metal shows of all things. I don't even know 1. how they caught wind of something like this, and 2. why they put so much energy into cancelling an entire tour. This shit has baffled me since the Graveland incident.
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Garbage news.

It's alarming to see this band's level of nazism and the judgement the land of the free has laid down on them.
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I don't really care much for the band, or even for Antifa, but it sucks that Antifa's bullying tactics worked here since it'll just encourage those same tactics again elsewhere, too.

Go figure that the one thing Antifa is good at is shutting down heavy metal performances. Metal, the true enemy of anti-fascism. :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:10 pm 
 

Honestly after hearing about Taake's take on Young and in The Way, I really have no sympathy for them or the fans.

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Heavynation wrote:
Dr. Peterson explains why this is happening at this time and why these antifa bozos (together with the pathetic current left) are under the delusion that they are the final synthesis of human morals. Because of that youthful and pretentious delusion, they have concluded that they have the monopoly of virtues in the history of mankind. In their heads, the history of human morals and philosophical development goes something like this: Plato > Aristotle > St. Thomas Aquinas > Descartes > Schopenhauer > 25 year old spoilt antifa with a solid background in reading counter culture pamphlets and having the worldview of the progressive establishment, basically the worldview of the “lefty beautiful people”; Katy Perry saying we should all “just like, co exist” (nobody ever tried that, we are glad she’s here to be a template of a human to us). Naturally, since those dynamos of the history of morals think their worldview coincides with the absolute objective moral climax of the history of ethics, as well as with reality itself, they concluded that they will cleanse the world of people that they don't like/who don’t agree with them, starting with censorship, and then attacking people.

Of course there is NOT a real Nazi problem in the USA. Half a dozen idiots in Charlottesville in a population of 310 MILLION people doesn't mean a real issue. The left is hysterical, they are having a hissy fit because empirical, tangible reality and human nature/history has nothing to do with their idiotic utopian perspectives/frustrations and resentment towards the world, and they want their agenda, political doctrine, ideological principles and worldview to be turned into state policy. FINALLY, they are admitting that freedom of speech is not a value to them.

Liberals, marxists, leftists = the garbage of the west. Ideologically challenged people who know NOTHING about the history of philosophy and have NO IDEA of where their idiotic post-Frankfurt, post-Gramsci, Derrida identity politics (which they use as a substitute for having and ego/meaning in life/responsibility) came from. A bunch of idiotic kids who had their heads destroyed by pathetic ideology via counter culture, memes, leftist websites, 1960s nostalgia and punk/rock lyrics written by semi-literate 20 year olds. The current left is the most PATHETIC popular incarnation of Marx's dialectics and western post 19th century progressivism since the 1917 revolution.

The current "caviar left" (kids whom are taken by habits, mannerisms, comforts, technology, even addictions, which only exist on this galaxy due to the developments of the bourgeoisie class and of free market capitalism... with a virtue signalling, NARCISSISTIC, pseudo-socialist discourse) are the most ridiculous, idiotic, degraded, undignified, uninformed, stupid version of anti western thought that ever came out of this pseudo-scientific/sociological tradition, whose contribution to the history of mankind was a century of death and genocide. It’s like an army of vice readers who think they are the ones chosen by destiny to define the fate of human civilization. Clueless fashion obsessed hipsters and youth-subculture kids who inflate their egos to feel they have some kind of importance in the history of the species, spewing out the most laughable ideological re-heated 1960s slogans, childish worldviews and cliches, whilst enjoying a lifestyle which could only exist in western civilization. The left simply can't sink any lower.

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Heavynation wrote:
Dr. Peterson explains why this is happening at this time and why these antifa bozos (together with the pathetic current left) are under the delusion that they are the final synthesis of human morals. Because of that youthful and pretentious delusion, they have concluded that they have the monopoly of virtues in the history of mankind. In their heads, the history of human morals and philosophical development goes something like this: Plato > Aristotle > St. Thomas Aquinas > Descartes > Schopenhauer > 25 year old spoilt antifa with a solid background in reading counter culture pamphlets and having the worldview of the progressive establishment, basically the worldview of the “lefty beautiful people”; Katy Perry saying we should all “just like, co exist” (nobody ever tried that, we are glad she’s here to be a template of a human to us). Naturally, since those dynamos of the history of morals think their worldview coincides with the absolute objective moral climax of the history of ethics, as well as with reality itself, they concluded that they will cleanse the world of people that they don't like/who don’t agree with them, starting with censorship, and then attacking people.

Of course there is NOT a real Nazi problem in the USA. Half a dozen idiots in Charlottesville in a population of 310 MILLION people doesn't mean a real issue. The left is hysterical, they are having a hissy fit because empirical, tangible reality and human nature/history has nothing to do with their idiotic utopian perspectives/frustrations and resentment towards the world, and they want their agenda, political doctrine, ideological principles and worldview to be turned into state policy. FINALLY, they are admitting that freedom of speech is not a value to them.

Liberals, marxists, leftists = the garbage of the west. Ideologically challenged people who know NOTHING about the history of philosophy and have NO IDEA of where their idiotic post-Frankfurt, post-Gramsci, Derrida identity politics (which they use as a substitute for having and ego/meaning in life/responsibility) came from. A bunch of idiotic kids who had their heads destroyed by pathetic ideology via counter culture, memes, leftist websites, 1960s nostalgia and punk/rock lyrics written by semi-literate 20 year olds. The current left is the most PATHETIC popular incarnation of Marx's dialectics and western post 19th century progressivism since the 1917 revolution.

The current "caviar left" (kids whom are taken by habits, mannerisms, comforts, technology, even addictions, which only exist on this galaxy due to the developments of the bourgeoisie class and of free market capitalism... with a virtue signalling, NARCISSISTIC, pseudo-socialist discourse) are the most ridiculous, idiotic, degraded, undignified, uninformed, stupid version of anti western thought that ever came out of this pseudo-scientific/sociological tradition, whose contribution to the history of mankind was a century of death and genocide. It’s like an army of vice readers who think they are the ones chosen by destiny to define the fate of human civilization. Clueless fashion obsessed hipsters and youth-subculture kids who inflate their egos to feel they have some kind of importance in the history of the species, spewing out the most laughable ideological re-heated 1960s slogans, childish worldviews and cliches, whilst enjoying a lifestyle which could only exist in western civilization. The left simply can't sink any lower.

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[youtube]http://youtu.be/MPojltjv4M0[/youtube]


The people whom call themselves rightist or anti leftist also think that the have the monopoly of virtue. Just look at your text. You just claimed that all that you deem leftist, is literally garbage. How's that for a superiority complex? I know enough of the right and how they treat people. And talk about utopian perspective from the right. For the religious right, all that is not like them will go in hell.
A lot of the rightist think that the leftists are all weaklings and degenerates. And that all weakness should be erased. Look at Trump for narcissism.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:04 pm 
 

All you really need to know about this post is that it's opened by "Dr. Peterson explains".

I was gonna respond to some of that YouTube regurgitated bullshit but it's really not worth it.

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It's incredibly sad. After being in Montreal for the 2016 incident (luckily i personally wasn't hit too hard by it, i know some who were) and now this... jesus fuck. This needs to stop. This is a bunch of fucking cowards hiding behind their masks fighting a cause based on misinformation and using actual fascism to do so. Threatening, and committing, violent acts against innocent people because you don't agree with a band or band members politics? No.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:48 pm 
 

What I'm particularly alarmed about is the level of support for these actions from within the metal community, at least online (not here mind you, but in many, many other places). Apparently one swastika, even as a joke/shock tactic/stage prop, even when admitted to be a mistake by the artist, is enough for eternal censure no matter how many shows played in Tel Aviv or wherever the fuck else was brought up. "Metalheads" on Invisible Oranges, Brooklyn Vegan, Reddit et al. think this is all perfectly great.

The singular and constant response by Taake on this from the beginning should have been "fuck off and fuck you." The long winded pontificating does nothing to help his cause and simply gives the Antifa scum more validation.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:49 am 
 

pfk505 wrote:
The singular and constant response by Taake on this from the beginning should have been "fuck off and fuck you." The long winded pontificating does nothing to help his cause and simply gives the Antifa scum more validation.


I 100% disagree with this. I think saying "fuck off and fuck you" would validate antifa, because then they would say, "see, they're just a bunch of vulgar idiots and we did the right thing." I think Taake's response was more or less the correct response.

This whole culture of deplatforming is very troubling though. And it's not just metal bands this is happening to. I remember a few years ago Action Bronson had to cancel a show because protesters took issue with some of his lyrics. Musicians and artists in general have been pushing boundaries for ages now, and it is a shame to that small groups of people with terrible ideas are able to have this sort of power to prevent them from being able to interact with their fans. I somewhat agree with Empyreal that it isn't like we are spiralling into some chaotic world where no one can do anything without fear of antifa coming after them, but I do think there needs to be more of a push back against groups like antifa. And unfortunately it will probably be hard to have any kind of effective pushback if the media continues to report on these stories dishonestly.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:01 am 
 

PvtNinjer wrote:
All you really need to know about this post is that it's opened by "Dr. Peterson explains".

I was gonna respond to some of that YouTube regurgitated bullshit but it's really not worth it.


You are not gonna respond to any of anything because you are not informed about this issue, and you are NOT a part of this discussion in the realms of the adult world, and there's absolutely NOTHING that your counter culture subculture personality can add to that discussion.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:20 am 
 

A bit of historical context for those who buy into the easy to swallow anti-fascist name (the Berlin Wall was called anti-fascist protection wall too...).

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The first German movement to call itself Antifaschistische Aktion was proclaimed by the German Communist Party (KPD) in their newspaper Rote Fahne in 1932 and held its first rally in Berlin on 10 July 1932, then capital of the Weimar Republic.[citation needed] Its two-flag logo, designed by Association of Revolutionary Visual Artists members Max Keilson and Max Gebhard, remains a widely used symbol of militant anti-fascism.

In the French, British, and American zones, Antifas began to recede by the late summer of 1945, marginalized by Allied bans on political organization and by re-emerging divisions within the movement between Communists and others, while in East Germany the Antifa groups were absorbed into the new Stalinist state.[1] On 11 July 1945, the Soviets permitted the formation of the "United Front of the Antifascist-Democratic Parties"


But some black metal shocker from 10 years ago is a major problem. Maybe they should look at communism a bit more closely too and the origin of their own symbols and ideas.


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Heavynation wrote:
PvtNinjer wrote:
All you really need to know about this post is that it's opened by "Dr. Peterson explains".

I was gonna respond to some of that YouTube regurgitated bullshit but it's really not worth it.


You are not gonna respond to any of anything because you are not informed about this issue, and you are NOT a part of this discussion in the realms of the adult world, and there's absolutely NOTHING that your counter culture subculture personality can add to that discussion.


Yeah I can't imagine why people wouldn't seriously engage you when your whole post was a five paragraph rant about how awful the "modern left" is and how they're hysterical "garbage of the west." Really sets up a reasonable discussion on your end from the start!
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TheMysticWombat wrote:
We live in an age where people want attention and will do whatever gets them more likes on social media.

This is basically it, I'd say. Essentially, the problem in anti-fascists boils down to at least two mega-stupid "positions", the "poser" one you mention and the ultimate brawler who doesn't really understand or care for political organizing.

This whole thing is preposterous and doesn't even have anything to do with active opposition to (sub)cultural phenomena somehow involving nazi imagery or propaganda. Either someone's working very hard to up their cred among their circle of braindead "activists", or raising hell because of that role Taake played in sexual assault allegations against Young and in the Way members. It's ridiculous either way.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:48 am 
 

ObservationSlave wrote:
pfk505 wrote:
The singular and constant response by Taake on this from the beginning should have been "fuck off and fuck you." The long winded pontificating does nothing to help his cause and simply gives the Antifa scum more validation.


I 100% disagree with this. I think saying "fuck off and fuck you" would validate antifa, because then they would say, "see, they're just a bunch of vulgar idiots and we did the right thing." I think Taake's response was more or less the correct response.



Yet isn't that exactly what happened anyway? There is no amount of apologizing, explaining, or setting in context that could satisfy Antifa, not in a million years. From my perspective it's just better to say fuck off and let the chips fall where they may. The venues may still have canceled and result may have remained the same but in my view its all the comments and interviews and half explanations that give fuel to the fire.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:07 am 
 

TheMysticWombat wrote:
We live in an age where people want attention and will do whatever gets them more likes on social media.



Isn't just the thing Hoest did from the start, wanting attention? If he is not a real racist and/or a real islamophobe, he just want to stir up controversy just for attention.
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ObservationSlave wrote:
I 100% disagree with this. I think saying "fuck off and fuck you" would validate antifa, because then they would say, "see, they're just a bunch of vulgar idiots and we did the right thing." I think Taake's response was more or less the correct response.

+1.

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