There´s a locked topic here on "Glam Metal" , but what I´d like to approach is , what where the actual reasons why Glam and Thrash (and basically , all other real metal styles) NEVER got along ?

Glam metal bands were all about playing up appearances and playing fairly safe heavy metal while thrash metal bands were (allegedly) all about furthering the genre's capabilities.

Someone really should have Nathan Galed his ass back in 1984.

I think part of the problem was when some of these bands tried to pass themselves off as "metal." That is, trying to pretend they were something they were not. Bon Jovi was labeled as "metal" but they had more in common with Garth Brooks, musically speaking, than they did with Iron Maiden or Metallica. I think if some of these bands had just labeled themselves as what they were- mainstream rock n' roll, instead of trying to pass themselves off as metal- they wouldn't have registered anywhere on the consciousness of the thrashers- they would have just been ignored.

The whole thing more or less started with Lars Ulrich holding his dick talking shit. Someone really should have Nathan Galed his ass back in 1984.

The whole thing more or less started with Lars Ulrich holding his dick talking shit. Someone really should have Nathan Galed his ass back in 1984.

"Lars talked a bunch of shit about Motley Crue while building an identity for his soon-to-be-biggest-metal-band-ever so really somebody should have just murdered him."

Sorry your arena fantasies are so frequently shit on, it must be hard to be such a tool.

"Lars talked a bunch of shit about Motley Crue while building an identity for his soon-to-be-biggest-metal-band-ever so really somebody should have just murdered him."

Sorry your arena fantasies are so frequently shit on, it must be hard to be such a tool.

Well, Jesus when you oversimplify it like that and make it seem like that's the only reason I'd ask for that, as opposed to the thousands of other reasons he would give us over the decades.

... I feel like the better defence would have been to acknowledge it as unnecessary hyperbole instead of doubling down on the crazy stupid thing you said.

"Lars talked a bunch of shit about Motley Crue while building an identity for his soon-to-be-biggest-metal-band-ever so really somebody should have just murdered him."

Sorry your arena fantasies are so frequently shit on, it must be hard to be such a tool.

Well, Jesus when you oversimplify it like that and make it seem like that's the only reason I'd ask for that, as opposed to the thousands of other reasons he would give us over the decades.

Also, there are ways to build identity for a band without slander.

Honestly, I think that's where the entire "true metal-false metal" dichotomy started. What's hilarious is as much as some of those hair bands actually did suck, they almost universally appear more authentic than spoiled rich tennis player's son ever did.

I'd rather listen to "The Headless Children" than Sacred Reich or ten billion fake-retro pizza thrash bands. It's not fair to compare glam metal's worst moments with thrash metal's best.

I mean, hey! Why stop with Metallica? Why not murder the members of Anthrax, Tankard, and Razor too? How dare these people bad mouth these glam artists who just want to make bad, soulless music for money! By the way, Cold Lake is Celtic Frost's best album amirite?

It pleases me that there's only a minority here arguing for the historical rehabilitation of glam. It was a shit ass genre that thrash proceeded to stomp all over and it deserves only to be relegated to the junkyard of music, nothing more.

Let's be honest here, one of the main reasons why thrash dudes hated on glam was because the latter got all the chicks. There weren't many female thrash fans back in the day. The pussy envy was real af.

I'd definitely like to see the mental gymnastics performed to reach this pretty stupid conclusion.

metalistkrieg: You beat me to it. I've always said "If I was a miserable neckbeard that couldn't relate to partying, sex, love, and just enjoying life in general, I'd probably hate on it as well". The reactions I get are amazing.

That said, I'm usually one of the 1% in this type of forum defending glam. I'll also say, to the original statement, I am that person that equally loves glam and thrash. Overkill, Megadeth, Kreator, and Metallica are just as important to me as Bon Jovi, Warrant, Wasp, and Motley Crue. There's mainly two things that always baffled me. 1) Glam metal goers seldom shit all over thrash metal goers, but the other way around is almost endless. Did Tom Keifer cast a stone at Chuck Billy? Did glam offend thrash at some point? Honestly if so please inform me. 2) People act like being a fan of glam was so rare. I remember reading a review here one time that said "yes, hardcore Whitesnake fans actually existed". Uh, no shit they did. Seeing that Whitesnake probably had more fans and made more money than 90% of the bands on here. Not saying numbers = quality, but don't act like glam acts like that were never big or important.

I will admit, some glam bands definitely don't really fit metal (see Great White, Firehouse, etc). But others are certainly had hard enough riffs and energy that match right up with Dio, Priest, and the likes. And regardless of the label, I like what I like.

^Uh, not me.

Although, don't get me wrong. There are plenty of half-assed mediocre as heck thrash bands out there.

And one or two glam rock bands that actually did something right, at least once in a while (for example, "Shout at the Devil" is a great album and I WOULD probably listen to that over some modern mediocre half-assed thrash band.) Dokken and Ratt had some good tunes, and if you go back to the early Van Halen stuff- where a lot of that sound originated, heck they were great! But then you get stuff like Slaughter, Warrant, Jetboy, Winger, Tesla- those bands were not even close to as good as Van Halen were.

I don't know if thrash killed glam, or even if grunge did; that's the more popular opinion, but really I think glam just burned itself out with too many cookie cutter bands that weren't really that good to begin with. Same thing that happens to a lot of music styles that get popular: The ideas run out, you have a bunch of second rate copycats flooding the scene, some of the original bands maybe try to evolve but ultimately, something else comes along that sounds fresh and people flock to it (whether it is grunge, death metal, pop-punk, late 90's ska punk, or whatever.)