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PvtNinjer
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:53 pm 
 

Honestly, it's a pretty fun album. Sure, I get all the arguments against it, the lack of original guitarists, etc. But I think on the whole, the album delivers some fun and catchy heavy metal. I'm especially impressed by Halford's vocal lines in the context of the songs, he delivers some pretty fresh sounding hooks which give the songs some nice personality.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:15 pm 
 

Saw some more recent live video last night, Halford has miraculously improved, so I retract my criticism. He could sing for ten more years. Pretty weird though, bending over trying to catch his breath one day, standing up doing smoothly the other.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:53 pm 
 

MetallicaTrueFan wrote:
Thank god I am not _flow and can respect other people's opinions about music.
Even though my slight frustration with _flow has been due to a lack of proper response to my posts but never seemed to be critical of another persons opinion.
MetallicaTrueFan wrote:
Several months ago I was thinking of making a post that said that people hated Nostradamus because it was slow but I relented because I didn't want to start a flame war.
You were afraid of having an unpopular opinion even though it is your right to have and is rock solid in perspective, backed by sufficient evidence?
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_flow I think it is time for you to stop... this seems like an escalated war that could get you banned.
Maybe I have missed something but when did _flow do something that warrants being banned. If _flow's posts here are worthy of a ban, then how is TrooperEd not banned? If there was a single user who appears to not only not respect peoples opinions and also completely disrespect them it is TrooperEd.

Saw a video upload of Glenn taking the stage at the most recent show and it was very sad to see. Nice to see him still able to do what he loves but sad to see that energetic, fluent and sexy man succumb to such an unfair illness. He moved well all things considered but it was not the Glenn I remember seeing.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:10 pm 
 

I'm sorry you didn't feel I responded to your posts properly; maybe I'm like Glenn, tipsy most of the time, slightly distracted, at least ostensibly.:)

Very sad affair with Glenn. The deterioration is astounding. I was there right in front of him maybe ten times in 2015; at Brixton, he caught my eyes and stared at me for an entire solo, until I sweat my pants (yeah, I'm a woman). What a rock god/sex god, indeed. There is no other. Hugs dear Glenn, get better.

Let me quote another fan, "...once Glenn came out for the encores, the difference in sound was noticeable. Glenn actually rocked out harder than Andy"; I have to bring this a step further - in whatever condition, Glenn makes this band alive.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:34 pm 
 

The footage of Tipton shows he's still mobile and playing OK but the illness has clearly slowed him down a lot.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:34 pm 
 

Anthony Fantano (the hipster king) approves!

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Also, I'm loving this album more and more with every listen.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:44 am 
 

_flow wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
really lame, dated rock vocals

they sounded dull, unmemorable, annoying, lifeless


StillDeath wrote:
So about "Nostradamus", it has some breathtaking tracks that are so full of emotion and instrospective lyrics.



Try to show, if not sensitivity, a little more regard to others' experiences with this (and other) record(s).


You misquoted me. 60% amazing and 40% total filler is still 6/10 album, that is what I would give Nostradamus. Mind you it is not a normal 6/10 in the way everything is mediocre, it is all black and white with clear cut stand out tracks.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:02 am 
 

true_death wrote:
Anthony Fantano (the hipster king) approves!

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Also, I'm loving this album more and more with every listen.


I do enjoy Anthony Fantano's reviews.

I used to post at a Relapse message board and there were some serious human garbage there and they all congregated for every video he posted to hate on him. If they hate him then he must be doing something right.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:00 pm 
 

The variations and depths of opinions will always trail Judas Priest no matter what it is they ultimately do...and while they're not the only band to whom that happens; it's always interesting to see just how far it will actually go--no matter what forum it occurs, or the degrees of bellicose belly-aching that ensues. Whether it's about personnel, style, approach, technique, I guess it's true what's been said in other reviews...scrutiny follows everyone--especially in high-profile capacities--and like the bands and musicians therein; I too have had to learn to develop a thicker skin and recognize that no matter what I might say and how fairly I deliver what I say...it will (at some point) be met with a conflicting viewpoint and with perhaps a dash of "...you're an idiot" intoned to go with it. **shrugs** I haven't gone all out just yet to see if that's happened here...this preamble is nothing more than what I've known for a long time. That being said, "Firepower" is just the kind of album Judas Priest needed to make and ultimately release. In what could very arguably be deemed their "twilight of their career," if this album truly MUST be their 'swan-song,' then that swan has soared well above the clouds with the confidence of a Harrier jet at its highest speed into the sun-soaked glory that awaited its arrival.

Oh sure...make no mistake...there are still some of the elements that may make us smirk a little...whether it's the slightly sophomoric lyricism in tracks like "Necromancer" or the somewhat unnecessary spoken lyric bit in "Spectre," what saves (forgives?) the tracks containing whatever might have a slab of Wisconsin's finest (thickness of said slabs may vary fan to fan) here 'n there is the very delivery. On the whole, "Necromancer" and "Spectre" move along with unfettered confidence with all the tradition and style Priest have long been hailed and heralded for bringing to the table. After all....did we all not smirk a little as well at long-ago tracks like "Pain and Pleasure," or "Love Zone?" Damn right we did...and we still ultimately knew that such things were not ALL we were going to get from a band that had done more than enough of their homework and spent enough hours and days honing their crafts and ultimately becoming one of the absolute masters in the process....clunkers 'n all.

"Firepower," whether it sounds like there's anything to prove or not...comes across like an album made by a band who just wanted to extend their traditional wealth and stature without trying too hard to think outside the box or come across like clever, elder statesmen trying to refine what they'd already refined and perfected well enough; thank you very much. I'm pretty confident in saying Priest's desire to work together as a band throughout the sessions and tracking in order to better organize whatever pre-existing ideas that were brought to the table has a tremendous deal to do with the overall vibe and energy of the songs.

Faulkner has earned his stripes....bar none...and far longer ago than this. You can almost feel he's finally lost a bit of that 'fanboying' enthusiasm and has elevated it to the degree of one who isn't trying to play and write songs from a FAN perspective, but far more of a 'what does the BAND need' point of view...and boy howdy, THAT...just shines here.

And Tipton?? Hell people...the man is a WARRIOR. Having already contended with Parkinson's for a decade, and despite whatever extra measures he alone may have had to take to ensure his input wouldn't be wasted or in vain...he comes across on this album in glaringly obvious moments that will make other equally accomplished guitarists wince or shake their heads in pure reverence. As it stands, the tour itself is barely into its second full week, and Tipton has joined them on stage (even if for only 3 songs) twice, and had also partaken in various live interviews as well as a colossal record signing stint in NYC. It's no wonder the youtube offered snippet of "Never Surrender" offers Halford's narration to the song itself as being one "...that Glenn was adamant about making it onto the album." He isn't going gently into ANY good night as far as my humble eyes can see...despite his more limited involvements.

Thoroughly listenable...every bit a statement maker and without compromise...."Firepower" deserves the accolades it's gotten thus far, and will certainly be happily discovered by even newer fans to come.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:11 pm 
 

Rob Halford, clearly delusional ...

"'Why Should We Even Consider Retiring Now?'"

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas- ... iring-now/

Maybe because 2/3 of your writing team is incapable of carrying on and you're trying to pass off this solo band as "Judas Priest"?

Andy Sneap is really no one's first choice of lead guitarist. Try to imagine him being picked if he hadn't been in the same very room working on this latest album. You can't.

Richie will be even less popular than Gus G when he leaves JP. No one will give a rip about his songs or playing.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:59 pm 
 

Must admit I'm getting a little weary of bands not retiring when it's so obvious they could do so with grace, but instead keep on dragging things out for ages. Halford could still do solo stuff, but the bottom line is that in the live context no Tipton = no JP, full stop. When it comes to album writing, sure, JP could do another album if they really wanted to, but Firepower was surprisingly strong and would be a great way to put a full stop to the band with dignity.

Quite a few older bands in rock/metal have kept on putting out stuff long after they probably should have done. I personally thought JP were going to call it a day when Downing left, but Faulkner reinvigorated the band a lot in the live arena - I guess he gave them a shot in the arm. Similarly, I'm stunned that AC/DC not only managed to make another album after Black Ice (a record which was the obvious point to stop at and go out on a high) but that despite all the classic line-up retiring, being arrested or dying, Angus keeps on making noises about recording a new album and touring. Also, Sabbath retired about a decade after I'd have guessed they would - having said that, their last tour was awesome, Iommi and Butler still have it for sure.

Not too many bands have followed Slayer's example and known when to stop.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:26 pm 
 

Slayers singer doesn't want to continue so they have no choice. He simply can't be replaced.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:32 pm 
 

I listened to Firepower again today start to finish on a walk. I really really like it. I kind of hope it's their final one. With KK and Tipton both gone, I can't imagine why a new record would even be an idea now. Halford can always put out more music with his solo band.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:36 am 
 

Cosmic_Equilibrium wrote:
Must admit I'm getting a little weary of bands not retiring when it's so obvious they could do so with grace, but instead keep on dragging things out for ages. Halford could still do solo stuff, but the bottom line is that in the live context no Tipton = no JP, full stop. When it comes to album writing, sure, JP could do another album if they really wanted to, but Firepower was surprisingly strong and would be a great way to put a full stop to the band with dignity.

Quite a few older bands in rock/metal have kept on putting out stuff long after they probably should have done. I personally thought JP were going to call it a day when Downing left, but Faulkner reinvigorated the band a lot in the live arena - I guess he gave them a shot in the arm. Similarly, I'm stunned that AC/DC not only managed to make another album after Black Ice (a record which was the obvious point to stop at and go out on a high) but that despite all the classic line-up retiring, being arrested or dying, Angus keeps on making noises about recording a new album and touring. Also, Sabbath retired about a decade after I'd have guessed they would - having said that, their last tour was awesome, Iommi and Butler still have it for sure.

Not too many bands have followed Slayer's example and known when to stop.


Slayer's example? They have been producing pretty ordinary music for the best part of a quarter of a century.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:37 am 
 

I get wanting to preserve the band's integrity and whatnot, being protective fans, etc, but there's really nothing to do if they decide to keep going on for a few more years. Not all artists stop in their 60s and it's really just because of metal's youthful, brash nature that we want them to. Just don't buy their albums anymore if it bothers you that much.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:27 am 
 

Temple Of Blood wrote:
Rob Halford, clearly delusional ...

"'Why Should We Even Consider Retiring Now?'"

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas- ... iring-now/

Maybe because 2/3 of your writing team is incapable of carrying on and you're trying to pass off this solo band as "Judas Priest"?

Andy Sneap is really no one's first choice of lead guitarist. Try to imagine him being picked if he hadn't been in the same very room working on this latest album. You can't.

Richie will be even less popular than Gus G when he leaves JP. No one will give a rip about his songs or playing.



Halford's arrogance at least is not that big of a surprise, but Richie's beggars belief:
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie ... as-priest/

They've all lost their minds in this band. Meanwhile they're playing casinos in North America.

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PvtNinjer wrote:
Honestly, it's a pretty fun album. Sure, I get all the arguments against it, the lack of original guitarists, etc. But I think on the whole, the album delivers some fun and catchy heavy metal. I'm especially impressed by Halford's vocal lines in the context of the songs, he delivers some pretty fresh sounding hooks which give the songs some nice personality.


Band-member-drama side, I agree completely - it's a good, fun heavy metal album. Halford sounds fantastic, theres a great 80s guitar tone to a lot of it, and they manage to put out some decent fast songs. Much prefer this to a lot of the recent material from other older bands like Maiden, Saxon, etc.

Nice to see that they've shifted a decent number of physical copies, too - c.50,000 in the first week in the US alone. It's easy to steal the thing on the internet, so the fact that people still physically buy the album is one of the reasons I'm always proud to be a metal fan.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:06 pm 
 

"Firepower" seems to be a Judas Priest album for people who don't really love Judas Priest.

I see a lot of non-typical buyers online saying it's their favorite JP album. lol
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:58 pm 
 

I could even live with Redeemer, where Glenn was still involved. Silly but comfy Judas Priest.
Firepower - this, that and the other "classic heavy metal" trope, with Purple and Whitesnake thrown in. A JP-flavoured microwaved hotchpotch.

Watched Seminole Arena last night. I had forgotten what Glenn was like only nine years ago. Shocked and stunned.:(

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:15 am 
 

OK, posted that elsewhere, but I think it should definitely belong here.
If only could Glenn have been drunk for each and every interview... :D :evil:

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I'm only on my second listen of the album, so still forming an opinion, but I do think Halford sounds awesome! I know there could be some studio fixes going on, but he really sounds fantastic here.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:43 am 
 

No question about Halford; he's been rejuvenating in the past ten years as much as Glenn has been declining. Miraculous, especially with all the junk food feasts he posts on his instagram.

Came across an old interview with him - some of it could have been published yesterday...

http://76.12.46.30/interviews/halford_int.htm

"What's going on with this whole "Metal Nostalgia" movement right now? Ratt [mid-'80s glam metal band] and Twisted Sister are touring again, the Kiss reunion, the Van Halen debacle; Judas Priest has a new disc out...

Rob Halford of Two:
It's a human necessity; it's affection. You establish yourself as something that you look back on as you move forward. You think of a moment in your life when you felt right and you identify with that moment. You want to keep that moment living inside you emotionally. And the best way to do that is to have the thing happening in front of you on a stage or on a record."

Interesting how he's repining reunions of "bald musicians with bulging waistlines", saying he'd rather stick with their old videos.

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I must say im not very satisfied with this new album.
Sure there are some really nice songs, like Traitor's Gate, Spectre, Rising From Ruins or Lightning Strike. But overall they played it safe. Id say this is an anti-Nostradamus ; they took risks on that one, sometimes it worked and it ended up creating excellent songs, almost godlike-level ones, as the other half was just plain boredom. On Firepower, imo there is no really weak track, and no real masterpiece either. Firepower is mild sinusoid in a nutshell. And no Painkiller part 2, no way.
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NYRock: I have to ask the inevitable... at some point, you must have been asked about a Judas Priest reunion?

Rob Halford of Two: I would never do it. I'm not just saying that now and five years from now I'm gonna be on stage with Priest again.

*sad trombone noise*
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:41 am 
 

Rob is all about the $$$. If 2wo/Gimp had gone multi-plat he would never have come back to JP or done those metal-styled solo albums.

... which is why I think he will ride out the "Judas Priest" gravy train no matter who else is playing/recording behind him. Look at how much fans love "Firepower" and its accompanying shows. No financial reason to stop. This reminds me of the soulless Star Wars prequels, that made tons of money living off of the goodwill built-up from the past. If the prequels had been the originals, they would be huge flops and the brand would be nothing.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:49 am 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
NYRock: I have to ask the inevitable... at some point, you must have been asked about a Judas Priest reunion?

Rob Halford of Two: I would never do it. I'm not just saying that now and five years from now I'm gonna be on stage with Priest again.

*sad trombone noise*


And you left out the rest, this is rich:

Rob 'Metal is Dead' Halford wrote:
I value my personal creativity and my integrity more than a few dollars in the bank. It's never the same the second time around, especially when there's something more attached to it than the music. Reunions smack of big dollars, instead of people feeling that they want to go out and play music together.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:56 pm 
 

man why metal fans always so against artists making money? :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:17 pm 
 

My opinion still hasn't changed. This album is fucking great. Carry on.

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Temple Of Blood wrote:
Rob is all about the $$$. If 2wo/Gimp had gone multi-plat he would never have come back to JP or done those metal-styled solo albums.

... which is why I think he will ride out the "Judas Priest" gravy train no matter who else is playing/recording behind him. Look at how much fans love "Firepower" and its accompanying shows.


I was trying to find an interview where he said metal was dead (not that I'd mind if it were, to Halford); I also heard of a Glenn's statement that he wanted nothing to do "with that baldheaded tattooed ponce" anymore, after he left.
Halford wants to do dance music? Splendid!
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There are some members of the music public that are very conservative. They only want one kind of thing. And that's fine, but don't put me in there because I'm not that kind of individual. I'll always have a totally open mind to endless possibilities. I want to do a dance album. Not Techno, but a record that's exclusively designed for people to dance to. That whole dance genre is kinda into its own world. I'd just like to get in there and mess around with that.

Of course, being 'Metal God' pays. http://ultimateclassicrock.com/rob-halford-metal-god/
Wonder if he secretly hates all those 'metalheads' to whom he posts mushy instagram pictures every day: "Hallo metal maniacs, I'm eating icecream today, what's your favourite"...

You never noted the youtube video I posted above, I think that's the best interview Glenn ever did, and it may reveal why Rob actually left: "Priest music is very important to us. We try to establish a lot of lesbian sex, and thought we could do that through Priest music." :-D
Also: "We're heavy metal you know, we're heavy metal" - he reiterates... hilarious.


Wrote something for a zine, but here it is, an overview of the situation. There's just far too much going on.

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"There's good and bad news about Twisted Sister", said Dee Snider prior to their retirement, "we look like aging drag queens, but we've always looked like that".
To everyone's dismay, the golden years of glamorous metal titans from the other side of the pond, Judas Priest, could currently benefit from such tedium.

What should be a whole separate article, this drama is underscored by the somber fact of Glenn Tipton's progressively deteriorating condition.
It would appear he's been living with Parkinson's for at least ten years, while carrying on his heavy duties like a consummate hero. In his candid softspoken manner, Glenn crushed us with: "Guys, my brain is telling my hands to do something and they're not doing it", while demonstrating genuinely upbeat humour - relief for those who love him and inspiration to others. (Full interview at Guitar World https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/her ... ns-disease.)

While considering Glenn Tipton the anchor of Judas Priest, I've been surprised by opinions that "Glenn is extremely underrated in rock'n'roll, metal, and music entirely".
Rooted in blues, his phrase oozes almost fragile vividness and finesse, culminating in the wild ecstasy we've witnessed in this sensuous master, caressing the guitar while bringing out rapturous moans from her. He has an almost vocal melody phrasing, combining traditional blues modes and classical ones with thought and expressiveness.
It must also be noted that Glenn interacts with the audience as naturally as the heavyweights of blues, yet so intensely, that his piercing gaze seems intent on stopping our heart.
"This isn't just Judas Priest", Tipton said, "It's an event in which we're together, and nothing in the world can compare."

An immediate answer is that the ferocity of KK Downing, his aggressive picking and apt improvisation, merged with Halford's insane crescendos, epitomised metal to the Priest fan.

Equally understandable was KK Downing's astonishment, conveyed in late February, that he wasn't considered Glenn's replacement for the upcoming tour.
As a consequence, this subtle gentleman and founding member had to suffer ill-accusations and attempts to diminish his legacy.
During a radio interview, Rob Halford all but erupted, deeming KK's emotive publication "superfluous" and "insinuative".
If anything became clear to the audience, it was how deep tension ran between Halford and Downing. KK followed up with a brief clarification, dispersing any possibility of being misinterpreted.

It should be allowed that KK Downing could have approached the band privately. The band has been in denial, however, for not addressing the obvious option of Downing replacing Tipton. Fans needn't be made aware of Priest's hidden dealings, but they ought to have been considered while making such a crucial decision.

Members of the band proceeded to release statement upon statement of how surprised they were that KK would even fathom the possibility of his return, recently culminating in: "We lacked energy towards the end of KK's era" (precisely the reason KK left).

I am not convinced KK is the bad guy here, and thankfully, we have his autobiography coming up in September:

"As the band approaches its golden anniversary, fans will at last be able to delve backstage into the decades of shocking, hilarious, and haunting stories that surround the heavy metal institution. In 'Heavy Duty', guitarist KK Downing discusses the complex personality conflicts, the business screw-ups, the acrimonious relationship with fellow heavy metal band Iron Maiden, as well as how Judas Priest found itself at the epicenter of a storm of parental outrage that targeted heavy metal in the '80s. He also describes his role in cementing the band's trademark black leather and studs image that would not only become synonymous with the entire genre, but would also give singer Rob Halford a viable outlet by which to express his sexuality. Lastly, he recounts the life-changing moment when he looked at his bandmates on stage during a 2010 concert and thought, 'This is the last show.' Whatever the topic, whoever's involved, K.K. doesn't hold back." (Pre-order link https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/title ... 306903298/.)

The argument that KK had retired and his return was therefore unthinkable, does not hold water not only due to the drastic change of circumstances following Tipton's withdrawal, but because a similar situation had occurred before:

Halford in 1998 http://76.12.46.30/interviews/halford_int.htm:
"I would never do it" (referring to a Priest reunion), "I'm not just saying that now and five years from now I'm gonna be on stage with Priest again. I value my personal creativity and my integrity more than a few dollars in the bank. It's never the same the second time around, especially when there's something more attached to it than the music. Reunions smack of big dollars, instead of people feeling that they want to go out and play music together."

Halford sounds slightly more unwavering there, than Downing more recently http://ultimateclassicrock.com/k-k-down ... -priest-2/:
"I think today I'm a better player than I was yesterday or five years ago when I left the band, because I've had a chance to relax a little bit and take in and absorb stuff that I've learned and practiced, as opposed to learning something and zipping off somewhere and having to do this, that and the other."

KK's move seems all too logical in light of Glenn's illness, of which he must have been somewhat aware: "I wasn’t happy with the band’s live performance. I thought it could have been better, not that the fans would notice. To me, Priest was always a stealth machine and that’s what I liked about it."

While I attended the Redeemer Of Souls tour and was glad to witness a deep, mellowed-out, be it a less precise Glenn, it was clear he had relinquished most of the work to Richie Faulkner.

The new Priest record, Firepower, is accepted shockingly well, with superlatives as far-stretching as "better than Painkiller" or "as good as Defenders". I see it as a formulaic, sterile record, stepping not only on agreeable self-reference like the previous, but resorting to "classic heavy metal" idioms courtesy of Maiden, Manowar, and Metallica, with solo Halford thrown in. Here again, I tend to advocate KK Downing for leaving after the magnificent Nostradamus.

A reason for the accolades of Firepower might have been given in that same 1998 Halford interview, strikingly relevant today:

"What's going on with this whole "Metal Nostalgia" movement right now? Ratt [mid-'80s glam metal band] and Twisted Sister are touring again, the Kiss reunion, the Van Halen debacle; Judas Priest has a new disc out...

Rob Halford of Two:
It's a human necessity; it's affection. You establish yourself as something that you look back on as you move forward. You think of a moment in your life when you felt right and you identify with that moment. You want to keep that moment living inside you emotionally. And the best way to do that is to have the thing happening in front of you on a stage or on a record."

The recent Priest tour is going well, with Halford having been rejuvenating almost as much as Glenn had been declining in the past ten years (said with affection and sadness). When I saw Priest in 2008, I thought that was the end of them with Rob's less than stellar form; today, he seems fresh as a carrot and melodic as a nightingale, and reportedly sees no reason why Priest should retire anytime soon.

Halford is an icon and vocal phenomenon who should by no means leave the spotlight; it's difficult however to swallow Priest without the duel of Tipton's and Downing's complementing each other axes, let alone none of them being present.

Throughout the years, Halford has expressed desire for artistic freedom, ranging from a dance record to black metal, and, most recently, a collaboration with Toni Iommi - which should work out splendidly, judging by how Halford fronted Sabbath. Doom, the blues of metal, might suit him just fine in his maturity. Should he wave on the flag of Priest, however, reconciling with Downing is necessary.

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I'm guessing KK wasn't in the mix because he would want to put this to bed where Rob wants to keep on going on. Its how they make a living so its not for me to tell them how to live their lives but to me Priest is done.

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As some of their few thoughtful fans writes:
"I just love the whole 'real fans support the new lineup' so if you have any criticisms then apparently you're not a real fan and should 'move on'... It's just completely blind passion/mob mentality bullshit. Judas Priest are my favourite band and it has absolutely zero percent to do with Faulkner or Sneap."

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Wrote something for a zine, but here it is, an overview of the situation. There's just far too much going on.



Assuming you wrote that, your argument basically boils down to "Rob changed his mind about rejoining priest therefore he should've read K.K.'s mind in that he would change his mind and be willing to rejoin Priest as well."

K.K., and anyone else for that matter, being shocked and disappointed for not being asked to rejoin a band he (apparently acrimoniously) left I'd say, what 7 years(?) prior without K.K. giving them any notion that he'd have changed his mind, is ridiculous. And what's even more ridiculous is the backlash Halford's gotten for his comments. K.K. went harsh first, basically giving the band the middle finger by saying [paraphrasing] "looks like a I made the right decision to leave because they don't care about me." So rob gave the middle finger back. What do you expect? K.K. easily just could've said "Hey guys, I wish you would've asked me back, as in these extenuating circumstances, I'd be willing to help out again," and left it at that, then not only would Rob not feel the need to fire back in the press, they very well MAY HAVE welcomed him back into the band. But instead K.K. whined about it in the press and ruined any chances of that. And if his stance is for all intents and purposes to declare "fuck you" to the band for not asking him back, what would make Priest, or anyone else for that matter, think he'd actually accept the job if they had asked in the first place? It really sounds like K.K. didn't even really want to be back, I think he just wanted to be asked back just to stroke his ego. He didn't get the ego stroke, so he whined to the media.

Now, having said all that, I'm not saying Priest shouldn't have asked him back, or they shouldn't have taken Glenn's situation as the signal to hang it up. Just the outcry from K.K. and the fans toward Rob and the band for not asking K.K. back and the resulting comments from Rob is just really fucking stupid.
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My article doesn't "boil down" to anything; it's a complex situation; one thing I assert, however (and that's my feeling), is that KK's initial statement was classy, emotive and innocuous. What malicious minds tend to read into it, is something completely different.
Your language gives away your mentality: KK "gave the middle finger"? He isn't Ripper Owens, he's a softspoken English gentleman. Whether he implied more than what he actually said is anyone's guess (I tend to think not), but it's a matter of projection/insertion, rather than inferrence. Halford's reaction was... well, irrational. For one, if KK wrote something emotional ("I'm shocked and stunned"), it's a matter of a lack of empathy to dismiss that as "superfluous", and only raise the imaginary issue of the producer having stepped in for the original guitarist - which in turn was petty. To suggest that Sneap could have played as big a role to Firepower as, say, Tsangarides to Painkiller (like KK implied), was a compliment.

Hypothetical non-deviant response from Halford: "He's shocked and stunned? I'm stunned to hear it - he made it clear when he left that he wouldn't reconsider." Most optimistically (exhibiting some self-reflection): "Wait, he did say that, but in 1998 I said they'd see me back with Priest in 2003 over my dead body."

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_flow wrote:
My article doesn't "boil down" to anything; it's a complex situation; one thing I assert, however (and that's my feeling), is that KK's initial statement was classy, emotive and innocuous. What malicious minds tend to read into it, is something completely different.


It's "malicious minds" that are criticizing K.K.'s comments, but criticizing Rob's comments isn't malicious at all?

There were parts of K.K.'s comments that I don't think were innocuous at all. I pointed them out in my previous post, and I'll point them out again later in this post.

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Your language gives away your mentality: KK "gave the middle finger"? He isn't Ripper Owens, he's an older English gentleman.


I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I was using "gave the middle finger" as a metaphor, not to be taken literally. He "told them off" basically. He burned his bridges.

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Whether he implied more than what he actually said is anyone's guess (I tend to think not), but it's certainly a care of projection/insertion, rather than inferrence. Halford's reaction was... well, stupid. For one, if KK wrote something emotional ("I'm shocked and stunned"), it's a matter of a lack of empathy to dismiss that as "superfluous",


Do you really honestly think Rob fired back for the "shocked and stunned" comment? For the part of K.K.'s comments that I don't think are at all innocuous: [again paraphrasing] "I made the right decision to leave when I did because more than one of them don't appreciate what I did for the band and never did." That is a serious accusation to make to fellow band members that have been together for so many years and made so much music and played so many gigs together. That greatly questions the commitment of the rest of the band to each other, and that is very insulting to a life long musician. Maybe it's true, I don't know. If some concrete facts come out that that indeed was the case, then fine. But as is, like I said, that is a serious accusation, and it is no wonder Rob and/or the rest of the band would be greatly offended by that comment. Hence Rob's firing back. If K.K. left that bit out, the situation would be very different.

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and only raise the imaginary issue of the producer having stepped in for the original guitarist - which in turn was petty. To suggest that Sneap could have played as big a role to Firepower as, say, Tsangarides to Painkiller (like KK implied), was a compliment.


I don't consider K.K. saying Sneap probably had a bigger role than the band had let on a compliment, but I also don't think it's a far out there comment, so, ok.

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Hypothetical non-deviant response from Halford: "He's shocked and stunned? I'm stunned to hear it - he made it clear when he left that he wouldn't reconsider." Most optimistically (exhibiting some self-reflection): "Wait, he did say that, but in 1998 I said they'd see me back with Priest in 2003 over my dead body."


Ok, so that clears up your position a bit that I misunderstood, and yes, that would be a pretty understandable reaction to K.K.'s comments... IF, like I've been harping on this whole time, K.K. hadn't made the accusations that they don't care about him.
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That is for once a valuable perspective, instead of the old "he said Sneap played on the record".

This is indeed the crucial part of KK's statement:
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However, I know now more clearly than ever that I did the right thing by leaving the band when I did – as it seems that my time spent in the band, and my value in terms of crafting its huge legacy, was and is unappreciated by more than one member. I sincerely hope, for the fans’ sake, that the decision not to approach me was not a financial one.


BUT it comes after this paragraph:
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I have to state with great sadness also that I am shocked and stunned that I wasn’t approached to step into my original role as guitarist for Judas Priest. Whether I could have stepped back into the band or not, the potential for this situation arising never entered my head when I departed – although I too am officially and legally still a member of Judas Priest.


So, again, it oozes sincerity to me. He was shocked and disappointed, therefore bitterly speculated he'd done the right thing by departing. He tries to reason: "I wasn't invited because more than one member of the band does not appreciate me." (There's a conspiracy of sorts.)
He then makes sure to refute the reason could have been financial.

The core of KK's publication Halford dismisses entirely, to snap at the last paragraph:
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I know Andy Sneap – and he is one of the greatest contributors to rock and metal that you will ever have the privilege to meet. To that end I have no doubt that his contribution to the new Judas Priest album was much more than just as a producer. All that’s left is for you the fans to go out and enjoy the band as it is, in order to complete a part of music history in which every one of you has played such an important role.


I actually messaged Andy Sneap, who told me he is trying to do a job while feeling uncomfortable amid this situation, being friends with both Glenn and KK, and hoping for KK's return to Priest, "but for now my hands are full".

P.S. The decision may boil down to finances, after all.
To think of it, KK hardly implies he would have played for free; rather, he implicates employing Sneap (or whoever) was cheap.
It actually links to Halford's apparent confidence that the band could continue with whatever guitarists.
I did a small survey in JP fan groups, and indeed, fans don't seem to care who plays guitar in Priest; Halford is the Metal God.

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Of course, they should ask KK back. If the band doesn't understand that then they're putting petty squabbles ahead of their fans and their own identity. It's really telling that Sneap wants KK back, too. Faulkner's answers reeked of careerism and a lack of understanding of what Priest were/still should be. I mean, why ask your legendary guitarist back responsible for so many songs/riffs/solos of absolute brilliance when you could take out a decent rhythm guitarist on tour, instead? He might as well have said "I'm the blonde one now. No need for two, innit?"

It's a shame, really, as I'd definitely be interested in seeing this tour with Halford on form and KK back on board. As it stands, I'm not too interested.
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He might as well have said "I'm the blonde one now. No need for two, innit?"
:lol:

They seem to be actively promoting him as this new face for Priest, it's a deliberate shift in identity. I don't get his plastic happy grin; muppets are more expressive. Glenn never ceased interacting with the audience, responding to every subtle cue; KK was all passion; and this Richie guy is somewhat of a cheerleader. I don't know whether Priest have looked around to estimate the average age of their fans - it's good they have seated venues at least in North America. And many of these fans do listen to the music, they're not all about the lights and Halford's fashion show.
I have a ticket for Priest, but I'm less and less keen on going - would love to hear Halford and all, but (I'm repeating myself) it would be like going to the opera to check if the singer can still hit those notes and deliver the phrases. Hardly what JP was about.

Halford in person is polite, but he's hardly an open and straightforward guy in regard to the fans; I've never met KK, but he seems to have the fans at heart.

Fans still seem hopeful about a reunion with KK; who knows, but the way Priest are currently channeling their agenda, seems more unlikely than Halford's return.

Don't know if I mentioned, but KK himself "liked" a comment I posted on his site (the last one below), which should be the full stop to this saga, for now.

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- I see Ken's not a happy bunny but I see why... I thought the band would have asked him first to be honest because it would have been a good move to get him back.

- I think a better move would have been for KK to reach out to Rob and Priest personally and ask about rejoining. After all, in recent years, he has been the one who has shot down any possibilites of reuniting whereas Rob has stated he would like it if KK came back. Don't know why it should have just been up to Rob to reach out. I'm still hopeful that once Priest sees this statement they'll consider it.

- Halford burnt all the bridges unfortunately. I understand he might have had a bad day, but he should have apologised; instead, he's launched what seems to be a KK Downing smear campaign. I see Rob doesn't have a very high opinion of his fans.


I don't know if and where Rob's stated, previously, that he'd like KK back - has he? It seems to me they have a personal conflict.

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He isn't Ripper Owens, he's a softspoken English gentleman.


Not sure this is fair. When have you ever seen Tim Owens give the finger to anyone? Tim is a pretty classy and nice guy, and I have met him personally.
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I haven't met him, but I've read his tweets. Anyway, I don't concern myself with him; I guess I find a big disparity in terms of "class" between him and the other band members. In that drunk Glenn interview he (Glenn) can barely hold his head up, but says "far be it from me to tell them what to listen to".

PS When you said Rob is all about the $$$... Now I recall the first time I met him, promoting Resurrection; I was completely starstruck and kept expressing my affections, but he didn't seem to listen to any of my words. Instead, he thoroughly inspected if each and every CD I gave him for signing, was legal.

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Temple Of Blood wrote:
Rob Halford, clearly delusional ...

Richie will be even less popular than Gus G when he leaves JP. No one will give a rip about his songs or playing.


"There's some blues in there" https://www.facebook.com/OfficialJudasP ... 896818965/
- no Rob, there's no blues in there, but there's every bit of blues in 20 seconds here, from 2:10-2:30
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As another commenter says
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie ... /#comments

"He claims to put his own stamp on the songs, the problem is he has no stamp, his style is so bland and generic its almost frightening. He is no different then the noodlers at guitar center, a million notes that say nothing.

The pre ram it down stuff is "easy" yet your playing misses the plot? If its that "easy" maybe you are missing something? Did you put your stamp and style on your other band? Could anybody pick your playing out of a lineup of 10 songs?

Dude has all the technique in the world yet he has no style whatsoever. I do not dislike Ritchie as a person, I am sure he is a really swell guy but judging by ROS and Firepower he still does not get it. In the few brief flashes of 70 year old Glenn we get on Firepower he puts you to shame. Why? Because Glenn understands what should be there and what should not, and he does it in a way that is uniquely Glenn."

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