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| Author: | Terri23 [ Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Cloven Hoof infamously "remastered" Dominator around 10 years back. In fact, it was simply a repressing of an old worn vinyl. It was in that weird period where Russ was in and out of the band. The band got so much flak for it, and today the album is still not available on many streaming services. Most of the commentary around this seems to have been long buried on the internet today. |
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| Author: | Lord_Lexy [ Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Gravetemplar wrote: MetlaNZ wrote: Ivan Drago wrote: The Relapse remasters of Death were great, Human in particular That's the only one that I like but it's actually the remix of it that makes it good. But I still prefer the original masters and mixes by far. Iron Maiden have remastered their albums a few times now. It's quite shocking the difference in sound of each. Here's a video showing those differences: https://youtu.be/XqJvd3tfGDw?feature=shared It should be noted that the volume levels have been evened out. Give me the originals any day. The guitar tone just sounds WRONG on that Maiden remasters. The jump in quality made me check if I had put in earplugs… Not a fan. |
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| Author: | Durag [ Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Gravetemplar wrote: MetlaNZ wrote: Ivan Drago wrote: The Relapse remasters of Death were great, Human in particular That's the only one that I like but it's actually the remix of it that makes it good. But I still prefer the original masters and mixes by far. Iron Maiden have remastered their albums a few times now. It's quite shocking the difference in sound of each. Here's a video showing those differences: https://youtu.be/XqJvd3tfGDw?feature=shared It should be noted that the volume levels have been evened out. Give me the originals any day. The guitar tone just sounds WRONG on that Maiden remasters. The 2015 remasters sound horrible when compared to the others. The 1998 ones sound a bit off in parts but decent. Those 2015 are horrible though, first time noticing really |
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| Author: | lordcatfish [ Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
ChineseDownhill wrote: I think the remixed / "Re-Mistressed" version of Cradle of Filth's Cruelty and the Beast is such a huge improvement that these days I have little use for the original version. Then again some prefer the original, clicky drums and all, because the overhaul supposedly broke some other aspect. I prefer the original. I feel like the remix focuses too much on making the guitars and drums more muscular, and pushes the keys back too much so that it loses some of the atmosphere and character of the original. The infamous 2002 'remasters' of Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman have the re-recorded bass and drums so are to be avoided unless you want to hear those particular bastardisations. The Bark at the Moon remaster also got a remix and uses some alternative takes for solos / lead parts, but I don't believe it was advertised as such. |
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| Author: | MetlaNZ [ Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Evil Entity wrote: I despise Relapse Records but the 2015 remasters they did for RAZOR were fantastic. I can actually hear the instruments now. This is one of those cases where I had to go with the 2015 remasters of Shotgun Justice and Open Hostility because I just couldn't get the originals despite trying for well over 10 years. I looked into getting the remaster of Violent Restitution too a few years later but came across this video showing the differences in sound, needless to say I kept my original. This guy's videos and my growing awareness of "The Loudness Wars" and the Dynamic Range DB site has led me to going about replacing my remasters back to the originals that I wish I had never parted with. Back when I first started getting remasters they would lure you in with promises of better, louder sound and expanded booklets and bonus tracks, well fuck that and fuck them. Some other really bad examples of remasters were the Judas Priest and Queensryche one's, which are probably what people are having to listen to when they stream them. Here's a video showing the differences in sound for Razor "Violent Restitution": https://youtu.be/s_MMoYIOZJw?feature=shared And here's a link to the Dynamic Range DB: https://dr.loudness-war.info/ |
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| Author: | democracyiscringe [ Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Yes, the last remasters of Painkiller and Defenders... are disgusting. Some Priest remasters are better than others. The early 2000s remasters of British Steel, Stained Class and a couple others don't sound so bad to me, although they're obviously more compressed than the originals. But in the worse cases the remasters make the drums sound paper-thin because there's just not enough space in the waveform for them to poke through. |
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| Author: | Aooga [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
King_of_Arnor wrote: ChineseDownhill wrote: My copy of Rust in Peace is the 2004 remaster. I've seen many Megadeth fans call it a major downgrade but I don't know if I've ever heard the original, or if I'd be able to tell the difference. The remix has re-recorded vocals in some parts according to this site's release notes: "When remastering the album for this release, the original lead vocal tracks for "Take No Prisoners", "Rust in Peace... Polaris", "Five Magics" and "Lucretia" were all missing. Dave Mustaine recorded new vocal tracks for "Take No Prisoners" and "Rust in Peace... Polaris", while unused alternate takes from the original sessions were utilised for "Lucretia" and "Five Magics"." It's especially noticeable with that pitch-shifted voice in Five Magics, which sounds a bit goofy in the remix. I'm mostly indifferent to remasters and remixes but the RIP Remaster is a certifiable crime against humanity. OP, if you have not heard the original you can track it down on Youtube. Do yourself a favor and give it a listen and relegate your remaster CD to a coaster. |
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| Author: | Cosmic_Equilibrium [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:46 am ] |
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I mentioned this on the previous page but I just really don't understand what people think is good about the original mix of Rust In Peace. It's no production masterpiece. The Priest 2001 remasters are kinda compressed but I'm interested to hear what the boxset they put out recently sounded like, apparently that used the original masters but tweaked them a bit or something like that. |
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| Author: | Ace_Rimmer [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Production wise I think RIP is a big downgrade from Peace, but I think Dave was on a lot of smack and things were not given the attention they needed or something. RIP and SFGSW both have mediocre production. But not something that degrades the listening IMO. Just could be better. Someone mentioned Death Human. That is a good one, as you can hear that bass a lot better. I grabbed The Number of the Beast on vinyl a little while ago and thankfully it wasn't a remaster, it was from the original source tapes per discogs. Also grabbed the Walmart 40th anniversary reissue of Somewhere in Time on LP from Walmart. No note about any particular remastering. Was just looking at the flac for a 1984 issue of Powerslave compared to the 1990's remasters in Audacity. Holy clipping Batman! |
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| Author: | King_of_Arnor [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Cosmic_Equilibrium wrote: I mentioned this on the previous page but I just really don't understand what people think is good about the original mix of Rust In Peace. It's no production masterpiece. I like that it's understated which puts the focus more on the music. You're right that it could be better but it does a good enough job nonetheless. Ace_Rimmer wrote: I grabbed The Number of the Beast on vinyl a little while ago and thankfully it wasn't a remaster, it was from the original source tapes per discogs. Also grabbed the Walmart 40th anniversary reissue of Somewhere in Time on LP from Walmart. No note about any particular remastering. I thought you typed it wrong but then I saw it actually is a 40th anniversary reissue two years early, WTF? |
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| Author: | MetlaNZ [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Cosmic_Equilibrium wrote: I mentioned this on the previous page but I just really don't understand what people think is good about the original mix of Rust In Peace. It's no production masterpiece. Listening to it right now and it's fuckin perfect, wouldn't change a thing about. The remix/remaster is a travesty and a totally unnecessary one at that. The originals a work of art, why fuck with a masterpiece, just leave it the fuck alone. Once again I'm presuming that's what everyone's having to listen to when streaming. Should be considered a crime. Punishment due. |
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| Author: | Cosmic_Equilibrium [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
MetlaNZ wrote: Cosmic_Equilibrium wrote: I mentioned this on the previous page but I just really don't understand what people think is good about the original mix of Rust In Peace. It's no production masterpiece. Listening to it right now and it's fuckin perfect, wouldn't change a thing about. The remix/remaster is a travesty and a totally unnecessary one at that. The originals a work of art, why fuck with a masterpiece, just leave it the fuck alone. Once again I'm presuming that's what everyone's having to listen to when streaming. Should be considered a crime. Punishment due. There's no bass on the original. It just sounds tinny. |
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| Author: | thrashinbatman [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
the snare is also incredibly boxy and has no punch. i have no idea why they let it sound like that. the remix having a punchier snare is a big mark in its favor. |
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| Author: | MetlaNZ [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
^Nah, I prefer my thrash and trad that way. That's what I grew up on back in the 80's. I like to be able to hear the bass guitar but I don't like bass heavy productions especially for that sorta stuff. |
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| Author: | Benedict Donald [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
thrashinbatman wrote: the snare is also incredibly boxy and has no punch. i have no idea why they let it sound like that. the remix having a punchier snare is a big mark in its favor. Interestingly, "Rust" was widely considered the "high water mark" for metal production/sound, at the time. |
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| Author: | Radagast [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Terri23 wrote: Cloven Hoof infamously "remastered" Dominator around 10 years back. In fact, it was simply a repressing of an old worn vinyl. It was in that weird period where Russ was in and out of the band. The band got so much flak for it, and today the album is still not available on many streaming services. Most of the commentary around this seems to have been long buried on the internet today. There's also the 2012 remaster of A Sultan's Ransom which is brickwalled to the point of being unlistenable. Released by High Roller too, which was extra disappointing. I'm not even that much of an audiophile, but I had to go straight back to my old mp3s as soon as I bought it. |
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| Author: | gabber [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Whatever it is what it is, but I have to say I absolutely loathe, detest, hate and despise the trumpets in Into The Lungs Of Hell. Apparently they were always there but way back in the mix, and they should have fucking stayed there. That shit gave me an aneurysm. |
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| Author: | Aldrahn333 [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Sometimes I like remastered versions (None So Vile - for example) but there are 2 records, which I hate with particular cold passion. a) the remastered version of "Nothing" - Meshuggah. It sounds abhorrent compared to the original. b) Flotsam and Jetsam - the re-recording of "No place for disgrace", an absolute disgrace. |
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| Author: | Benedict Donald [ Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Remasters (or Remixes) |
Flotsam’s remix of “Doomsday” is sonic manna from heaven. A rare example of a metal album drastically improving due to remixing. |
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