See this is the issue with having a forty minute show that is suppose to cover one metal genre. That is way too vague... It's just namedropping, there is no way he could go into extreme detail about the the different kinds of progressive metal.

So we've all arrived at the conclusion Metal Evolution misinforms (perhaps even disinforms) its viewers with each episode. Do we also agree that it is imperative that we, as fans, have a duty to counter with information based on independent research, interviewing, et cetera? If so, does anyone here have any knowledge on film editing, cinematography, et cetera? Why don't our most erudite and sophisticated collectively try to produce a Metal documentary? More than a share of bright minds exist on this very forum.

It amazes me how negative people are that someone is trying to give metal more attention.

See this is the issue with having a forty minute show that is suppose to cover one metal genre. That is way too vague... It's just namedropping, there is no way he could go into extreme detail about the the different kinds of progressive metal.

Maybe, but Fates Warning? One of the PRIMARY progenitors? Unforgiveable.

I just finished watching the (European) power metal episode. It was ok when Dunn was discussing the origins of (European) power metal, but the way he characterized the whole genre as being little more then a purely European creation based on a bunch of D&D nerds who were nostalgic for classic metal kinda pissed me off.

I somehow agree with you, but... truly... besides Manowar (funny DeMaio refused to talk to Dunn... I wonder why ) and perhaps Iced Earth, what other USA bands could have been interviewed by Dunn for this episode?

If Dunn is portraying power metal as a largely Eurocentric genre, he's dead on. There's popularity for the music outside of Europe in places like Brazil and Japan, but the truth is that power metal has never been terribly relevant in the US for the last 20 years outside of brief bouts of minor popularity for Dragonforce, Iced Earth, and Blind Guardian (two of which are European bands). The mass of popular bands are European in origin. Even back in the 80s it was second banana to thrash here. And who the hell cares about Virgin Steele? That band doesn't matter.

And who the hell cares about Virgin Steele? That band doesn't matter.

I somehow agree with you, but... truly... besides Manowar (funny DeMaio refused to talk to Dunn... I wonder why ) and perhaps Iced Earth, what other USA bands could have been interviewed by Dunn for this episode?

You sir, have made a very powerful enemy this day.

The differences, however slight, have little to do with the genre's popularity and frankly its evolution and growth. Stuff like arena rock, video game music, and melodic death metal have had infinitely more effect on the genre of power metal outside (and inside, to great extent) the realms of the USA and Canada. Like I said before: Hammerfall is considered a key artist in the genre, and they have all the legitimacy of N'Sync, regardless of how they like to word their history now. I just don't see anything special about American power metal that makes it any more notable than any other scenes known for having power metal scenes with larger fanbases, like as an example, Italy.

You sir, have made a very powerful enemy this day.

I liked what I saw of it, I suppose.
I would like to see Doom and Sludge explored more, same with Neo Folk.

The documentary "Such Hawks Such Hounds" explores doom metal as well as stoner rock, and its WAY better than anything Dunn could put together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-njKCr6ieKE

If he's suggesting they're not any good well then yeah, that's silly, but I can see what he means in a sense of commercialism and stuff that would appeal to a large audience. Shame they don't appeal to a mass audience, really.

There is so much of metal that isn't appealing to a large audience and yet still integral to the genre. I don't think Dunn should have the right to pick out bits and pieces just because it sells. All awhile leaving info gaps and general misinformation in his wake. I'd even go so far as to say that is irresponsible.

I don't think that should be an appropriate line of thought to go by. There is so much of metal that isn't appealing to a large audience and yet still integral to the genre. I don't think Dunn should have the right to pick out bits and pieces just because it sells. All awhile leaving info gaps and general misinformation in his wake. I'd even go so far as to say that is irresponsible.

The documentary "Such Hawks Such Hounds" explores doom metal as well as stoner rock, and its WAY better than anything Dunn could put together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-njKCr6ieKE

If you were going to make a documentary film on, say, death metal, would you be required to spend significant time on the Malay death metal scene simply because one exists? At some point, you have to look at what is and is not really relevant to the story you're trying to tell and leave out that which isn't relevant, otherwise you get an unfocused mess of a program.

Speaking of Metal documentaries,..

If you were going to make a documentary film on, say, death metal, would you be required to spend significant time on the Malay death metal scene simply because one exists? At some point, you have to look at what is and is not really relevant to the story you're trying to tell and leave out that which isn't relevant, otherwise you get an unfocused mess of a program.

I don't have anything to add to the discussion except that this a terrible, terrible example. I don't think anybody's insisting that he has to cover every single obscure nook and corner of the genres, they're pointing out that he's leaving out historically significant information to focus on stuff that, while more immediately recognizable and relevant to a mainstream audience, has very little to do with the intended topic.

First of all, I'm obviously using the example of Malaysia for effect. Second; When it comes to power metal, almost none of it is relevant to a mainstream audience in the US or Canada. Obviously there will be those who disagree with me that these bands aren't historically significant enough to merit inclusion or heavy coverage. That's fine. Everyone has opinions, blah blah blah. But I've yet to hear a stirring argument as to what precise reason the American bands were so significant that they deserved special attention over anyone that was shown or any other acts that were excluded. The style variation was, in my mind, minor at best among bands that were "true" power metal acts. So what bands did they specifically influence, and how did they influence them in different ways than their peers in Europe? How did the scene grow? Who did they sell records to? Who bought tickets to see them play? How many more tickets did they sell than their peers? I'm just not seeing this. I'm seeing "I think they're important and I like them, ergo they should be part of a documentary."

I don't think that should be an appropriate line of thought to go by. There is so much of metal that isn't appealing to a large audience and yet still integral to the genre. I don't think Dunn should have the right to pick out bits and pieces just because it sells. All awhile leaving info gaps and general misinformation in his wake. I'd even go so far as to say that is irresponsible.