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An additional question - does this look like an original Iron Maiden "Killers" Black Triangle series japanese CD?

I think my copy of Helmet’s Strap It On (https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/H ... t_On/13725) is a fake.

I think this because one of the tracks is listed on the back and inside sleeve as “Bad Moon”, when the actual name of the song is “Bad Mood”. Maybe it’s a printing error, but the pictures of the vinyl that I’ve seen have the exact same jacket art and the third track has its proper name.

Here are images of my CD and its case (sorry I couldn’t figure out the image tag):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iHpvB1 ... p=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nAZ4Aj ... p=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lrTRTF ... p=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tWl7D0 ... p=drivesdk

Can someone help me out with identifying this, please?

Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:

Not fake

Is this version of DRI - Crossover legit?

https://www.discogs.com/Dirty-Rotten-Im ... se/9723518

Discogs says that this was released in 1994, but... there's a web address on the back cover. Also the matrix: D.R.I./CROSSOVER/10833 looks a little bit weird to me.

Quick question for the staff?

What is the deal with the Morbid Angel "Thy Kingdom Come/Abominations" 7" single?

It was released on a small indie label and had a picture of the three crucified corpses on the front and a picture of Alister Crowley on the reverse.
It's not listed in the discography; it has the cassette demo with three songs but not the 7" vinyl.
Was this an official release or an, uh, not sanctioned release? I'm certainly not about to suggest adding it either way (I'd assume it would be there if it was totally legit.) I saw this in a record shop way back in the day and bought it; it was right around the time "Altars of Madness" came out, but the record has a much tinnier, low-fi production than the full length.

Hi, I just bought "The Nocturnal Silence" by Necrophobic on ebay. Now I am not sure whether it is a Russian bootleg (damn these fuckers) or whether it is an original. Does anyone know how I can discern the following two?

https://www.discogs.com/release/1418760 ... al-Silence

https://www.discogs.com/release/1328981 ... al-Silence

Does the 1st press CD (Osmose Prductions - OPCD 064) for Marduk's 'Nightwing' include artwork depicting Vlad Tepes in the booklet?

question. Satan ‎– Court In The Act reissued in 2008 by Metal Mind Productions. IS there jewel case edition or ONLY digipak. Have both of them, numbered, same matrix and barcode but cant find anywhere this jewel case edition

anyone?‎

^ It is perhaps one of these represses like this?

https://www.discogs.com/release/19043017-Alice-In-Chains-Dirt

Author:	Zdan [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:27 pm ]
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An additional question - does this look like an original Iron Maiden "Killers" Black Triangle series japanese CD?

Author:	Zdan [ Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:46 am ]
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Nobody could help me with that Iron Maiden disc but maybe there some who could help identify one of the biggest rarities in metal CD's - Angel Dust's "Into The Dark Past"? So - is this CD a bootleg?

Author:	Asti78 [ Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:07 pm ]
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From the first view I would say original, but it would help more to have a full picture from the matrix number taken from above the and not in that specific angle

Author:	Zdan [ Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:13 am ]
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Here are two additional photos: Should be good enough

Author:	mini0312 [ Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:04 pm ]
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yes, that is original one. i don't think bootleg CD of the edition does exist. Zdan wrote: An additional question - does this look like an original Iron Maiden "Killers" Black Triangle series japanese CD?

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Author:	blackmantram [ Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:26 pm ]
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Does anyone know anything about foteresse russian bootlegs? These three sellers here look really suspicious (https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/3044140?ev=rb). Not that I ever buy from russian sellers of course, but I stumbled upon a copy of it where I live and it's sealed, which is kind of fishy, I just want to know how the russian version looks like.

Author:	corpofechado [ Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:35 am ]
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I AM IN DESPERATE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE BAND LAST EVE: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/L ... sia/171525 LAST EVE - REMEMBER (FROM ATHANASIA ALBUM) THIS SONG SAVED MY LIFE WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND I CAN NEVER FIND IT... ANY HINTS? ANYONE? PLEASE... THANK YOU

Author:	Lord_Of_Diamonds [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:58 pm ]
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I think my copy of Helmet’s Strap It On (https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/H ... t_On/13725) is a fake. I think this because one of the tracks is listed on the back and inside sleeve as “Bad Moon”, when the actual name of the song is “Bad Mood”. Maybe it’s a printing error, but the pictures of the vinyl that I’ve seen have the exact same jacket art and the third track has its proper name. Here are images of my CD and its case (sorry I couldn’t figure out the image tag): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iHpvB1 ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nAZ4Aj ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lrTRTF ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tWl7D0 ... p=drivesdk Can someone help me out with identifying this, please?

Author:	thesilentenigma [ Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:06 am ]
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Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote: I think my copy of Helmet’s Strap It On (https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/H ... t_On/13725) is a fake. I think this because one of the tracks is listed on the back and inside sleeve as “Bad Moon”, when the actual name of the song is “Bad Mood”. Maybe it’s a printing error, but the pictures of the vinyl that I’ve seen have the exact same jacket art and the third track has its proper name. Here are images of my CD and its case (sorry I couldn’t figure out the image tag): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iHpvB1 ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nAZ4Aj ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lrTRTF ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tWl7D0 ... p=drivesdk Can someone help me out with identifying this, please? Not fake

Author:	Lord_Of_Diamonds [ Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:36 am ]
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thesilentenigma wrote: Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote: I think my copy of Helmet’s Strap It On (https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/H ... t_On/13725) is a fake. I think this because one of the tracks is listed on the back and inside sleeve as “Bad Moon”, when the actual name of the song is “Bad Mood”. Maybe it’s a printing error, but the pictures of the vinyl that I’ve seen have the exact same jacket art and the third track has its proper name. Here are images of my CD and its case (sorry I couldn’t figure out the image tag): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iHpvB1 ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nAZ4Aj ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lrTRTF ... p=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tWl7D0 ... p=drivesdk Can someone help me out with identifying this, please? Not fake Wow... must really be a printing error then. Thanks for the reply!

Author:	infested [ Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:22 pm ]
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https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/decapitated-winds-cd-1wyd-zachodnie-a313-i7169503333.html Hi, does anyone know if it's a bootleg version, thanks.

Author:	Zeveenty [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:35 am ]
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So, recently I bought Into Glory Ride by Manowar. CD works fine, but lyrics on booklet didn't match. https://imgur.com/a/CJP9kXM I figure it out, that lyrics are from Hail to England. Does anyone knows anything about it?

Author:	demonomania [ Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:09 pm ]
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Xtreem Records is selling CD copies of Black Sabbath's "Tyr," which seems very hard to find in the US. Anyone know if it is legit/other places to find it?

Author:	DigitalDictator [ Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:38 am ]
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Hi, I noticed that some bootlegs for Angel Witch’s Frontal Assault and Screeming Bleeding have recently shown up on ebay and discogs... does anyone have heard them?? I generally hate bootlegs but this could be the only way to complete their discography on cd.

Author:	MetlaNZ [ Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:17 am ]
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So, just discovered that my CD copy of Satan "Court In The Act" is probably a bootleg. It's the Neat Metal / RR 1997 reissue NM019 and I've had it for a very, very long time, I did in fact buy an original back when it first got reissued around '97, but parted way's with it and then sometime in the '00's picked it up again 2nd hand from a record store in Auckland, New Zealand, and I've happily had it in my collection ever since, never once suspecting it to be anything other than an original. The booklet and back insert are so well done it's insane, so authentic it's not funny and the disc looks perfectly fine, sounds great too. But I've just looked at the silver side, the inner ring in particular and alarm bells have gone off. There's nothing except for the words Court In The Act imprinted on the inner ring directly beside the playing surface. Experience over the years has told me this is most likely a bootleg and probably a Greek one. There's nothing like it to compare it to unfortunately on Discogs, which is kinda strange. Tho I did search for other Greek unofficial releases of other artists and discovered that some did have the name of the album imprinted on the inner ring like this one. It's a excellent bootleg for sure (I'm assuming it is anyway, unless anyone has info otherwise) and I'll keep it but thought I'd mention it here and see if anyone else had a similar experience and could give some more insight into Greek bootlegs or even have a copy like mine.

Author:	Nocturnal_Evil [ Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:53 pm ]
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Hey guys, I got a question for you: What differentiates an original pressing of a CD from a reissue? One obvious answer is that time has to pass between the first and the second, but when looking at many albums here, I notice that they have multiple versions of the same album released simultaneously. Are these all to be considered first editions or is anything with bonus material technically a reissue?

Author:	rooster85 [ Fri May 07, 2021 10:20 am ]
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Is this version of DRI - Crossover legit? https://www.discogs.com/Dirty-Rotten-Im ... se/9723518 Discogs says that this was released in 1994, but... there's a web address on the back cover. Also the matrix: D.R.I./CROSSOVER/10833 looks a little bit weird to me.

Author:	drobowik [ Fri May 07, 2021 10:30 am ]
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Agree, looks strange, but hard to say anything not seeing matrix itself. rooster85 wrote: Is this version of DRI - Crossover legit? https://www.discogs.com/Dirty-Rotten-Im ... se/9723518 Discogs says that this was released in 1994, but... there's a web address on the back cover. Also the matrix: D.R.I./CROSSOVER/10833 looks a little bit weird to me.

Author:	Lane [ Sun May 23, 2021 8:38 am ]
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^^ Checking out the label and it looks legit. https://rateyourmusic.com/label/rotten_records/

Author:	Oxenkiller [ Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:56 pm ]
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Quick question for the staff? What is the deal with the Morbid Angel "Thy Kingdom Come/Abominations" 7" single? It was released on a small indie label and had a picture of the three crucified corpses on the front and a picture of Alister Crowley on the reverse. It's not listed in the discography; it has the cassette demo with three songs but not the 7" vinyl. Was this an official release or an, uh, not sanctioned release? I'm certainly not about to suggest adding it either way (I'd assume it would be there if it was totally legit.) I saw this in a record shop way back in the day and bought it; it was right around the time "Altars of Madness" came out, but the record has a much tinnier, low-fi production than the full length.

Author:	MetlaNZ [ Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:17 am ]
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Oxenkiller wrote: Quick question for the staff? What is the deal with the Morbid Angel "Thy Kingdom Come/Abominations" 7" single? It was released on a small indie label and had a picture of the three crucified corpses on the front and a picture of Alister Crowley on the reverse. It's not listed in the discography; it has the cassette demo with three songs but not the 7" vinyl. Was this an official release or an, uh, not sanctioned release? I'm certainly not about to suggest adding it either way (I'd assume it would be there if it was totally legit.) I saw this in a record shop way back in the day and bought it; it was right around the time "Altars of Madness" came out, but the record has a much tinnier, low-fi production than the full length. Is this what you're looking for? https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/M ... ome/122951 In the additional notes: "The 2 songs were already published before on the demo tape "Thy Kingdom Come" but the versions on this single are remixed."

Author:	Oxenkiller [ Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:43 pm ]
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^Yes, that's the one; the regular discography only lists the cassette with the 3 songs and not the record; you have to click on "Other Versions" apparently, to see it, so that's why I didn't see it listed there.

Author:	MetlaNZ [ Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:40 pm ]
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^Such a cool demo. It's a shame Morbid Angel haven't released a comp with all of their rare stuff from the 80s. There's got to be a market for it. I had to go down Bootleg Rd to get it unfortunately.

Author:	SR388 [ Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:40 am ]
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Electric Wizard- Witchcult Today. Curious if anyone experienced issues with this CD? I don't really think this would be a fake, but the quality of the booklet seem so poor that I sort of second guess it. Everything seems to match the info on this discogs listing:https://www.discogs.com/Electric-Wizard-Witchcult-Today/release/12511410. Also it was shipped/sold by Amazon. I just don't think I have ever really encountered a CD like this where the print on the lyrics sheet and notes is so small and also the resolution is so low. You can see in one pic the comparison between a normal booklet and this one. It is still illegible even zoomed in on photo. It's also weird that it has the wrong catalog # on the back (RISELP100). If it weren't for the discogs listing, I would think that it wasn't an official issue. https://imgur.com/CTJtVQs https://imgur.com/czKU1sC https://imgur.com/1s85Wdl https://imgur.com/Jib0Rjn https://imgur.com/UPQZrmJ

Author:	denavigator [ Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:33 pm ]
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Hi, I just bought "The Nocturnal Silence" by Necrophobic on ebay. Now I am not sure whether it is a Russian bootleg (damn these fuckers) or whether it is an original. Does anyone know how I can discern the following two? https://www.discogs.com/release/1418760 ... al-Silence https://www.discogs.com/release/1328981 ... al-Silence

Author:	devian [ Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:49 pm ]
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denavigator wrote: Hi, I just bought "The Nocturnal Silence" by Necrophobic on ebay. Now I am not sure whether it is a Russian bootleg (damn these fuckers) or whether it is an original. Does anyone know how I can discern the following two? https://www.discogs.com/release/1418760 ... al-Silence https://www.discogs.com/release/1328981 ... al-Silence If you've been buying from someone in Russia on ebay, it's probably is the bootleg: https://www.discogs.com/release/1328981 ... al-Silence Probably this release from KIVI pressing. This reissue has poor quality CD plastic, and the font in the matrix is a little different, so it's easy to distinguish from the original.

Author:	Lane [ Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:27 am ]
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Does the 1st press CD (Osmose Prductions - OPCD 064) for Marduk's 'Nightwing' include artwork depicting Vlad Tepes in the booklet? The original vinyl version does. For the original CD edition, there are no pictures on Discogs except for the front & back covers, plus the CD... The vinyl edition prices are above 100€... PS. Sorry if the thread is wrong.

Author:	TvvrAskesis [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:40 am ]
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Lane wrote: Does the 1st press CD (Osmose Prductions - OPCD 064) for Marduk's 'Nightwing' include artwork depicting Vlad Tepes in the booklet? Yes.

Author:	Lane [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:41 pm ]
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Bedankt! What a sicko he was...

Author:	Zdan [ Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:34 pm ]
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This is not a bootleg question per se but for those that have heard both the Under One Flag and Combat Records version of Nuclear Assault's "Game Over/The Plague" - which one do you prefer and why? I know the UOF press is better in terms that is features artwork of both releases which is a huge plus and has lyrics that can be read for "Game Over".

Author:	Silenius1979 [ Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:48 pm ]
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question. Satan ‎– Court In The Act reissued in 2008 by Metal Mind Productions. IS there jewel case edition or ONLY digipak. Have both of them, numbered, same matrix and barcode but cant find anywhere this jewel case edition anyone?‎

Author:	Zdan [ Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:36 pm ]
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Silenius1979 wrote: question. Satan ‎– Court In The Act reissued in 2008 by Metal Mind Productions. IS there jewel case edition or ONLY digipak. Have both of them, numbered, same matrix and barcode but cant find anywhere this jewel case edition anyone?‎ There is a possibility of a Russian bootleg. Some of the Metal Mind titles were bootlegged in jewel case format this way. My question would be this: does anybody have the 2007 remastered CD edition of Jag Panzer's "The Fourth Judgement" and can compare it to the original 1997 edition? Are the dynamics intact etc.?

Author:	BlackMetalanarchist [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:49 am ]
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I have a copy of Katatonia's Jhva Elohim Meth. The repress version. Only a little less valuable than the original press. When I checked on Discogs the Matrix/Runout matches but my copy has no Mould SID code even though on the release page it shows several variants of a Mould SID. I hope this doesn't mean I have a bootleg. I was under the impression that I had a first press all this time but I just found out it's actually a repress but it might not even be that.

Author:	LongHairIsSoFuckingCool [ Sat May 28, 2022 9:46 pm ]
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I'm noticing a discrepancy with my copy of Alice in Chains' Dirt. For some reason on the back and disc track listing, Down In A Hole is listed as the fourth track, and the untitled track is the 10th track listed. This doesn't seem to be the case with any of the versions of the album I can find on this site.

Author:	Lane [ Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:26 am ]
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^ It is perhaps one of these represses like this? https://www.discogs.com/release/19043017-Alice-In-Chains-Dirt

Author:	LongHairIsSoFuckingCool [ Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:24 am ]
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Lane wrote: ^ It is perhaps one of these represses like this? https://www.discogs.com/release/19043017-Alice-In-Chains-Dirt Yeah, that release seems to be what I'm looking for. There should probably be a note on the page talking about this weird situation.