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Author: | Lord_Lexy [ Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
DoomMetalAlchemist wrote: It sounds like it actually is crowdfunding through their wording. They stressed that the DIGITAL package is 100% done, which to me implies the physical versions are not done. Which is probably what the crowdfunding campaign is for, for funding the "finishing" of the CDs and vinyl productions. This makes sense also since the pre-orders for the physical versions are months later than the digital version(s). I think Nuclear Blast still pays for the production of the physical release, and I’m guessing they get a bigger cut of those profits in exchange for Jari doing a digital pre-order. |
Author: | Terri23 [ Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Indiegogo, the platform best known for "flexible funding" targets. Hmmmm.... |
Author: | Slater922 [ Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Terri23 wrote: Indiegogo, the platform best known for "flexible funding" targets. Hmmmm.... I'm sure that's not going to be abused to death by bad actors /s |
Author: | soul_schizm [ Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
The last "Wintersun" record was a Jari one-man-band with Wintersun slapped on it to sell it. The band hasn't put a record out together since 2012. It sounds like the drums and God knows what else was from 18 years ago. I don't know what this really is. It's 100% done now. I suspect it was 80% done when some of you weren't even born. |
Author: | Lord_Lexy [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
The album actually has a cover and a tracklist. Incredible that we have lived to see this day.
Total runtime 48:40 - Time I came in at about 40 minutes, and almost 4 minutes of hidden a capella track. |
Author: | Under_Starmere [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Love the weeaboo vibe, I think I'm coming around to this. |
Author: | Slater922 [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Lord_Lexy wrote: The album actually has a cover and a tracklist. Incredible that we have lived to see this day.
Total runtime 48:40 - Time I came in at about 40 minutes, and almost 4 minutes of hidden a capella track.
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Author: | Cirrus uncinus [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
It looks like a screenshot from a B-tier mid-2000s game. I love it. I'm just following the saga of Jari/Wintersun for the giggles. |
Author: | SirianRune [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 4:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
I don't mind the cover all that much. It looks like a more grounded/less abstract version of the Time I cover. |
Author: | BlackHussar [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 5:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Man... This cover art sucks. It looks like it's literally taken from a browser-based games from mid 2000s. Really Why didn't he use this instead?
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Anyways here are two tracks that were played live before: Storm The Way of the Fire It seems like this album will be a blend between "The Forest Seasons" and "Time I". To be honest, I enjoyed "Time I", but "The Forest Seasons" was boring and mediocre. Let's hope it will be more like "Time I" than "The Forest Seasons"... I have no high expectations, but it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised. |
Author: | Auch [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Under_Starmere wrote: Love the weeaboo vibe, I think I'm coming around to this. Same. Hell yeah. This fucking dork. I’ve changed my mind. I’m on his side now. |
Author: | Deathstalker1985 [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
That can't technically be the actual album cover, if it's a rectangular shape, and not square shaped. |
Author: | King_of_Arnor [ Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Deathstalker1985 wrote: That can't technically be the actual album cover, if it's a rectangular shape, and not square shaped. The Digibooks would like to have a word with you.
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Author: | CreepingDeath16 [ Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Deathstalker1985 wrote: That can't technically be the actual album cover, if it's a rectangular shape, and not square shaped. The album is so HUGE it can't fit inside a normal circular disc. |
Author: | funeralravens [ Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Lost all the hype for this album ages ago. However, would be looking forward to finally hearing the studio version of "The Way of the Fire" which is a solid song. "Silver Leaves" was hyped as the most beautiful song by whoever heard it, so that would be intriguing as well. I think MA rating for this album will be in the 60-70% range. |
Author: | DecemberSoul [ Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Regarding the cover art: Why arrange mountains in such an unrealistic manner? That way, what was likely supposed to be "epic" takes on the shape of a failed photoshop job and makes for a rather bad first impression. |
Author: | Lord_Lexy [ Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
I promised an update on the history of Wintersun, and by Jove, you will have it! +++ 8 October 2014 - more on the crowdfunding, Jari's opinion about cd's and "saunagate" - via Facebook
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2015 - nothing noteworthy relating to the crowdfunding, new records or anything. Lots of shows. 27 July 2016 through 27 September 2016 - news of negotiations with record label Nuclear Blast on the release of The Forest Seasons - via Facebook 27/7, 11/9, 13/9, 27/9
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9 January 2017 - on the recording and mixing of Time II (recorded at same time as Time I, but impossible to mix), and the announcement of the "easier to make" The Forest Seasons" - via Facebook
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25 January 2017 - The Forest Seasons crowdfunding is announced - via Facebook
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7 February 2017 - "crowdfunding, a dirty word?": the crowdfunding is framed as a pre-order - via Facebook
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21 February 2017 - no TFS on Spotify for at least a year - via Facebook
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1 March 2017 through 30 April 2017 - crowfunding is live.
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21 July 2017 - The Forest Seasons releases worldwide via Nuclear Blast In the years after this, little was said about new music, the studio and all that. 6 August 2020 - working on four new albums - via Facebook
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30 March 2021 - update on new music - via Facebook
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Album updates: 11 May 2022
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5 October 2022
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10 March 2023 - new song Warning, not on Spotify or any album - via Facebook And so we arrive in 2024 at the announcement of Time II. |
Author: | Under_Starmere [ Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
The phrase "insane goodies" somehow feels a bit gross to read. And I'm all for this band officially changing its name to Jari & the Wintersun Boys. It's easy to get lost in the minutiae of all this, but to zoom out to a more macro scale question here: Why are thousands of other bands able to release "quality" music all the time and Wintersun isn't? Honest question. What are they doing or what resources do they have in order to achieve that? Very few bands have their own $1M home studio to create in, yet they manage to produce and publish several albums each decade that sound excellent. How is this possible? |
Author: | SirianRune [ Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Jari is able to produce several excellent sounding albums each decade. He'd just rather grift his fans. |
Author: | Slater922 [ Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Under_Starmere wrote: And I'm all for this band officially changing its name to Jari & the Wintersun Boys. Better yet, just rename the band "Jari Plus the Other Guys" since any other Wintersun member who's name isn't Jari barely get mentioned. |
Author: | SirianRune [ Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Jari just uploaded an update video that claims to be "setting the record straight". It's too early in the morning for me to comment on this right now, but I'll drop it for everyone else to view. I look forward to the hilarious shitstorm that this is going to cause. |
Author: | CreepingDeath16 [ Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
EDIT: Too fucking slow. |
Author: | CannibalCorpse [ Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Oh well. To me, it sounds like a new chapter on the hunt for money has been opened. The studio blabbering just seems ridiculous. I mean, people have done way better production jobs with smaller budgets. |
Author: | BleedingMoon [ Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:32 pm ] |
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Having watched the video all I could think was if you buy a 325,000 euro professional music studio and it's still not the "optimal solution", you're doing something very very wrong. Hell the 200,000 euros he got from the crowdfunding should have been enough. Oh well, he's shot himself in the foot in my opinion, because if he's managed to complete Time II after banging on for years about how it wouldn't be possible to do it without the "Wintersun Headquarters", he's now got no leg to stand on if/when he complains about not being able to finish any more music. |
Author: | theposega [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:32 am ] |
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assuming everything in the video is true (big favor), why wait like seven years to explain all this? are pre-orders lower than expected? is nuclear blast making him do this? |
Author: | SirianRune [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
I think it's possible that Jari himself got tired of waiting for Time II to be released? But does that mean he's done grifting his fans for money? Oh no. He's just going to straight up admit that his claims that he needed the "Wintersun HQ" were false by finishing/releasing Time II without it. Then he's going to continue to do $50+ "digital pre-orders" for single digital albums combined with other miscellaneous digital stuff in order to fund a "big studio" that he just admitted to not needing (of course he didn't). |
Author: | Under_Starmere [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
On real Kickstarters they'll at least tell you what the product is that you're paying for. This is some mysterious surprise grab bag that you pre-buy on blind trust and then pray that it's something remotely appealing or useful. It's all digital, so clearly it can't be a shirt, poster, hat, patch, pajamas, incense, frisbee, action figures, Pogs, condoms, or vape juice like you would get in a typical deluxe box set. My best guess is Trump-style NFT trading cards, worthless cryptocurrency and desktop wallpaper graphics. And from the looks of the artwork, this album's gonna tap the entire Sounds of the Far East sample bank in whatever software he's using. Probably all at once. |
Author: | By_Inheritance [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Time II has been held hostage for over a decade because apparently no studio in the world can handle it. The initial crowdfunding was to build a super fancy studio that could handle his music. Sure, you got an album too with the crowdfunding, but the money was for the studio. He didn't meet that goal and built a smaller studio. So how did he finish Time II? How can a smaller studio suddenly handle Time II? So basically, nothing stopped him from releasing it. He just held the album hostage until he got what he wanted (a studio). He didn't actually need it for the album, he just wanted one and knew he probably wouldn't get it otherwise. And now with all the hype surrounding the album, he's expecting it to print money. |
Author: | Lord_Lexy [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
Under_Starmere wrote: On real Kickstarters they'll at least tell you what the product is that you're paying for. This is some mysterious surprise grab bag that you pre-buy on blind trust and then pray that it's something remotely appealing or useful. That’s not entirely fair. Jari said it would be revealed on 1 March, and last time the contents were also known during the campaign. If they’re useful is another story: the first campaign had a high-resolution digital booklet, live recordings and isolated tracks. (link) |
Author: | Dandelo [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:08 am ] |
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From the sounds of it, the money basically went on getting him on the property ladder. I also find that 'you have no say in how the money is used' to be a bit iffy when you pick it apart. This still reeks to high heaven. Didn't listen to The Forest Seasons. Probably won't for this. I don't want to support him. |
Author: | funeralravens [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:12 pm ] |
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I think this new preorder "crownfunding" is going to fail spectacularly. The hype around Wintersun has almost entirely died. If he announced 10 years ago that Time 2 was releasing the metal community would have exploded, but now the reaction is very tepid and he's mostly seen as a joke rather than a genius musician. |
Author: | CreepingDeath16 [ Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
funeralravens wrote: I think this new preorder "crownfunding" is going to fail spectacularly. The hype around Wintersun has almost entirely died. If he announced 10 years ago that Time 2 was releasing the metal community would have exploded, but now the reaction is very tepid and he's mostly seen as a joke rather than a genius musician. Seems likely. Most of those who are even interested in Wintersun's music will probably wait for the regular release instead of investing in THE PACKAGE which will most likely be just isolated tracks, some live recordings and very high resolution photos of Jari grimacing. |
Author: | SirianRune [ Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Wintersun - 'Time II = 100 % done" - release Summer/Fall 2024 - crowdfund March 1st |
CreepingDeath16 wrote: funeralravens wrote: I think this new preorder "crownfunding" is going to fail spectacularly. The hype around Wintersun has almost entirely died. If he announced 10 years ago that Time 2 was releasing the metal community would have exploded, but now the reaction is very tepid and he's mostly seen as a joke rather than a genius musician. Seems likely. Most of those who are even interested in Wintersun's music will probably wait for the regular release instead of investing in THE PACKAGE which will most likely be just isolated tracks, some live recordings and very high resolution photos of Jari grimacing. There's also the fact that Jari finally admitted that he never needed the "Wintersun HQ" to begin with. Anyone with any sense knew this from the beginning, but now even his acolytes have finally realized this. |
Author: | Lane [ Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:43 pm ] |
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CreepingDeath16 wrote: Most of those who are even interested in Wintersun's music will probably wait for the regular release instead of investing in THE PACKAGE which will most likely be just isolated tracks, some live recordings and very high resolution photos of Jari grimacing. Remember to pick up that dartboard when you get this package and you wonder where all the money went. You can print the pics and... |
Author: | BleedingMoon [ Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:31 am ] |
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Quote: Seems likely. Most of those who are even interested in Wintersun's music will probably wait for the regular release instead of investing in THE PACKAGE which will most likely be just isolated tracks, some live recordings and very high resolution photos of Jari grimacing. After all the grifting, money begging and general fucking around that's surrounded this album I would imagine most people who are remotely interested in hearing Time 2 will probably just torrent it at this point. |
Author: | CreepingDeath16 [ Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:13 am ] |
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Lane wrote: CreepingDeath16 wrote: Most of those who are even interested in Wintersun's music will probably wait for the regular release instead of investing in THE PACKAGE which will most likely be just isolated tracks, some live recordings and very high resolution photos of Jari grimacing. Remember to pick up that dartboard when you get this package and you wonder where all the money went. You can print the pics and... You seem to labour under the misconception that I have any interest in funding Jari's delusions of grandeur, or am I missing something? |
Author: | Auch [ Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:26 pm ] |
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SirianRune wrote: CreepingDeath16 wrote: funeralravens wrote: I think this new preorder "crownfunding" is going to fail spectacularly. The hype around Wintersun has almost entirely died. If he announced 10 years ago that Time 2 was releasing the metal community would have exploded, but now the reaction is very tepid and he's mostly seen as a joke rather than a genius musician. Seems likely. Most of those who are even interested in Wintersun's music will probably wait for the regular release instead of investing in THE PACKAGE which will most likely be just isolated tracks, some live recordings and very high resolution photos of Jari grimacing. There's also the fact that Jari finally admitted that he never needed the "Wintersun HQ" to begin with. Anyone with any sense knew this from the beginning, but now even his acolytes have finally realized this. You would think, but I thought that they would struggle for the first crowdfunding round and they blew the goal out of the water. Times (ha!) and the situation have changed drastically in this situation, but that's amongst us who are already skeptical. They clearly had a large number of devotees last round so I wouldn't be surprised if they still succeed this time. Maybe it won't be the massive success the first round was, but now, I'd be more surprised if they flop. EDIT: I've watched the video and read some of the comments there and on a recent Facebook post and it definitely seems like they have overwhelming support still so they'll likely get a lot of Time II support, whether that's good or bad. It is quite frustrating how much people are just still blindly supporting them. It's not blatant contradictions, but there are enough fishy things in there in my opinion. Like how he talks about how unfortunately, they didn't make enough from their first pre-order campaign to make the full studio (seemingly making the fans feel bad for not being supportive enough?), before mentioning that the plan was to do three campaigns with three albums, and then vaguely saying "plans had to change." That just seemed odd to me - how can it be unfortunate that you blew past your initial goal, so much so that you were able to build a "semi-studio" that finally had enough power to finish your mindblowing masterpiece? And sure, he's right that what they do with the money is up to them, but he definitely presented a full plan that I can understand why fans felt like they were giving their money to building a full studio and why they'd feel betrayed if their money wasn't used that way. He also complains about taking out a paying back a loan - yeah man, people do that all the time for business ventures. That's one of the risks of starting a business, which Jari clearly wants Wintersun to be (and bands very easily can and do become after a certain point). There's nothing egregious there or nothing we haven't heard before. It's just odd to see how much rope people are willing to give him. CreepingDeath16 wrote: Lane wrote: CreepingDeath16 wrote: Most of those who are even interested in Wintersun's music will probably wait for the regular release instead of investing in THE PACKAGE which will most likely be just isolated tracks, some live recordings and very high resolution photos of Jari grimacing. Remember to pick up that dartboard when you get this package and you wonder where all the money went. You can print the pics and... You seem to labour under the misconception that I have any interest in funding Jari's delusions of grandeur, or am I missing something? No, I think they were just continuing the joke based on your comment. |
Author: | Ukrajijajajana [ Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:55 pm ] |
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I've never been a fan so what I'm about to say should be taken with salt grains, I watched that video where he explains stuff and it began to dawn on me that I don't actually think that he is a malicious con-man. Is he a bad businessman? Yes he is, and he doesn't know how to properly communicate with his fans and supporters but that is one thing, and being an actual con-man is something else entirely. I felt that he was genuine in his explanations and I honestly can see that he doesn't actually realize how shady it looks from the outside. He is pretentious and very self absorbed, but I don't for a minute believe that he woke up one morning and said "you know what, im gonna take my fans for a ride and tip them off." You'll never see me donating any money to this band but that's my personal taste. O don't think that he set out with malicious intentions |
Author: | FLIPPITYFLOOP [ Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:05 pm ] |
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Under_Starmere wrote: On real Kickstarters they'll at least tell you what the product is that you're paying for. This is some mysterious surprise grab bag that you pre-buy on blind trust and then pray that it's something remotely appealing or useful. It's all digital, so clearly it can't be a shirt, poster, hat, patch, pajamas, incense, frisbee, action figures, Pogs, condoms, or vape juice like you would get in a typical deluxe box set. My best guess is Trump-style NFT trading cards, worthless cryptocurrency and desktop wallpaper graphics. "Hey Bart, remember Jari? He's back! In Pog Form!" By_Inheritance wrote: Time II has been held hostage for over a decade because apparently no studio in the world can handle it. The initial crowdfunding was to build a super fancy studio that could handle his music. Sure, you got an album too with the crowdfunding, but the money was for the studio. He didn't meet that goal and built a smaller studio. So how did he finish Time II? How can a smaller studio suddenly handle Time II? So basically, nothing stopped him from releasing it. He just held the album hostage until he got what he wanted (a studio). He didn't actually need it for the album, he just wanted one and knew he probably wouldn't get it otherwise. And now with all the hype surrounding the album, he's expecting it to print money. Spot on. |
Author: | Starwind [ Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:03 pm ] |
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Ukrajijajajana wrote: I've never been a fan so what I'm about to say should be taken with salt grains, I watched that video where he explains stuff and it began to dawn on me that I don't actually think that he is a malicious con-man. Is he a bad businessman? Yes he is, and he doesn't know how to properly communicate with his fans and supporters but that is one thing, and being an actual con-man is something else entirely. I felt that he was genuine in his explanations and I honestly can see that he doesn't actually realize how shady it looks from the outside. He is pretentious and very self absorbed, but I don't for a minute believe that he woke up one morning and said "you know what, im gonna take my fans for a ride and tip them off." You'll never see me donating any money to this band but that's my personal taste. O don't think that he set out with malicious intentions No, 100%. I think he's self-absorbed and completely oblivious but I don't think he's malicious. It likely doesn't help that he's got a rabid fanbase that keeps telling him he can do no wrong. He probably genuinely believes that fans want Time themed phone desktop wallpaper and shitty Metallica cover videos on Patreon. People here like to bang on some narrative about him keeping the Time album hostage to grift fans, but I think the Chinese Democratization of Time boils down to untreated neuroses/mental illness. He can't finish things. He's overly particular to a fault and gets lost in things that literally nobody but him can notice in a mix. I always saw the band moving on (but not outright cutting ties) as a reaction akin to giving up on a friend who can't get their act together. You can only try to help them so much, but if they don't want to get better and keep ranting about their 12000 VSTs or whatever it becomes apparent that nothing's going to change. Kai saying he never thought this album would come out speaks to this theory. Marcus from Ensiferum also mentioned once in an interview that it became easier to put albums out once Jari left because he was always overly particular and a bit of a perfectionist. An artist that doesn't finish projects is pretty common. Jari was just unlucky (or lucky, if you think financially) in that he happened to drop one of the most popular metal albums of the mid-2000s before going into a death spiral. Not saying he deserves sympathy or anything. He's seemingly refused to self-reflect and burned so much goodwill at this point that if his fanbase collapsed on him he would be deserving of it. But I don't think he ever set out to intentionally be a conman. |
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