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The list of victims seems to grow. - 80%

Diamhea, April 2nd, 2014

While it must have certainly seemed redundant when it was first released, time has certainly served !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some relatively well. While he has been accused of running the band like a dictatorship at times, Verni has always had a keen sense on the business end of the spectrum, and with The Killing Kind being the first post-Atlantic full-length, it goes without saying that the band found themselves quite far removed from their original fan base at this time. Then-new axemen Marino and Comeau came as sort of a package deal, and despite Marino originally trying out for the band when Gustafson was ejected in 1990 (or left of his own accord depending on who you ask), both were relatively unknown as far as guitarists go.

While neither are actually featured on !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some, it is important to paint a picture of the precarious environment Overkill found themselves in around this period. As it stands, !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some makes itself worth the price of admission by virtue of the inclusion of the eternally obscure Overkill EP alone. Throw in a gaggle of live tracks from the Taking Over period and you already know there will be little to complain about. Regarding the live song selections, everything is pretty much a "gimme" save for "Use Your Head," which I always found to be the single off-cut from the full-length it occupies. It still translates exceptionally well in the live arena, and is more enjoyable than its sterile studio counterpart, so it's got that much going for it. "Rotten to the Core" is honestly anything but what you'd expect, devolving into a random jam session that eventually segues back into the song proper. It's better than the butchered medley version the band used on Wrecking Everything: Live, but I would still prefer the untarnished composition, thanks.

"Electro-Violence" is probably the best song here, and it remains a mystery why it isn't played live at all today. What a great pit-churner of a track. The final two live cuts come from 1990, and although they exhibit a band much more refined, there isn't too much of a difference. "Fuck You" certainly excels as a live track as opposed to the lukewarm studio version that opens !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some proper, but if you are an Overkill fan you probably already know this. The Black Sabbath cover is well done though, and helps add even more variety to the proceedings. A cool precursor to Coverkill, if anything.

This brings us to the infamous self-titled EP. The band was forced to sell themselves short at the time due to financial troubles and found themselves in a rip-off record deal. As a result, far too few of the original pressing even exist, so kudos to Overkill for making it available again at a time before online file sharing was prevalent. Unlike the Feel the Fire EP, the band had most of their ducks in a row by this point, so the material isn't too far removed from the full-length it occupies proper. The only major difference is that "Rotten to the Core" is played at a noticeably slower tempo. After years of weaning myself on the original studio version, this variant sounds like it is running on half-speed. The real prize here is of course "The Answer," which is basically a superior precursor to "Skullkrusher." It runs a bit long, but Overkill was always experimenting with the darker, doomier atmosphere early on anyway. It picks up nicely around the five-minute mark, and the line "Revelation 13:18" cleverly references the number of the beast, foreshadowing the band's eponymous closer from Feel the Fire. "Fatal if Swallowed" and the aforementioned "Overkill" are both all-time classics that are just as enthralling in demo form as they are on their respective LPs.

So there you go, !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some. Other than a few lapses in intelligence done without the band's input like the tepid Then & Now compilation, Overkill's discography has remained largely untarnished by pointless compilations and/or live albums. !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some keeps the streak alive and gives us plenty of material to chew on. It's Overkill live, you really can't go wrong. The inclusion of the original EP only adds to the appeal.

Upgraded for his/her pleasure - 60%

autothrall, May 20th, 2010

Considering the band's 30 year, massive and uncompromising career thus far, Overkill have taken very few liberties when it comes to their release schedule. Very few indulgences. A ratio of 16 studio albums to a pair of lives and another pair of EPs is not at all bad, and we can probably thank the band for never attempting to rip us off or let us down too hard. That's not to say all of their releases possess the same level of quality, in fact it fluctuates quite a lot, with the band never seeming to step fully back up to the plate where they hit their first few home runs. But as far as touring and maintaining their presence, I can't think of another East Coast thrash band nearly as consistent (that includes Anthrax).

Fuck You and Then Some is on paper a neat little valentine for fans who desire a few of the band's less common EPs in one pressing, and it is for this reason I picked it up. It incorporates the original !!!Fuck You!!! EP from 1987, the 1984 Overkill EP (originally a demo), and some additional live footage not available on its namesake predecessor. Having but a cassette of the original, and not even owning the s/t EP in any format, this made for a great aesthetic addition to the rack, though chronologically it arrived during the bands REAL years of decay, when they they were putting out lackluster efforts like The Killing Kind which brought in outside influences for a less than desirable result.

If it's your first exposure to the legend, then I would highly suggest you skip this and check out their first two albums Feel the Fire and the immaculate Taking Over, which have yet to be surpassed decades later. "!!!Fuck You!!!" is a novelty track, really, an obscure cover of The Subhumans, taking an immortal gesture and expression, and then pasting it on the front of an album when many still wouldn't dare. It was the perfect tune for some meathead angry at his boss, his girlfriend, his family, or especially in the 80s, the PMRC or other activists who were essentially trying to shut down the controversial end of the musical spectrum. Really, it's applicable almost anywhere, because that's the safety and novelty of it. Thrust a middle finger and exclaim "FUCK YOU". We've all done it. Sometimes, it made us content. Sometimes, it was deserved. Other times, we were just being pieces of shit, flinging our wrath and poo where it may not have been needed. Musically, it fits right in with the Feel the Fire era material, due to Bobby Blitz and his endless, concentrated testosterone (and I'm not poking fun, I truly envy this guy's ability), but it IS a punk song, so the riffs can't really be expected to impress on the same level as the band's original work.

The live tracks from the original EP are all present here, recorded in 1997 during a heatwave in Cleveland, Ohio. Taking Over was news then, so the material includes some timeless numbers like "Use Your Head" and "Electro-Violence", the latter of which is a personal favorite. In addition, they perform "Rotten to the Core", "Hammerhead", and "Fuck You" here, and between the tracks on the CD, Blitz works the crowd a little. It's the same drill Overkill have always insisted upon, an honest interaction with their fans and very little heady, arrogant bullshit. As to the sound, well, other than the fact the guitars often get a little overpowered by D.D. Verni's bass, it's not that bad. The vocals, in particular are quite good. Since this is a new edition of the EP, the guys have tacked on two more lives from a 1990 performance. One is a cover of Black Sabbath's "Hole in the Sky", which makes sense, since they were a huge influence on this band, as we have discovered from some of their less impressive, doom heavy offerings in the 90s. Blitz gives it his all, but I can't say I really love the track here. The other new live is "E.vil N.ever D.ies" from the band's most recent album at this time, The Years of Decay, and it's not bad.

Last but certainly not least, we have the original Overkill EP in all its glory. This includes "Rotten to the Core", "Fatal If Swallowed", "The Answer" and "Overkill". Three of these tracks appear on the band's first two full lengths, and "The Answer" is a slow, doom song with a huge Black Sabbath influence that gradually picks up the pace, though I've always found it lacks the serious riff skills of the other material here. At any rate, this is probably the coolest portion of !!!Fuck You!!! and Then Some to have handy when you're on an early 80s thrash kick, but if you've already got their first few albums, there's nothing really superior about any of the EP versions that you'd need to go out of your way for aside from some authenticity check.

So, is this package worth the scratch? If you're an Overkill addict, and have no access to the original material without succumbing to collector gouging, then have at it. If not, there's not much reason to bother with it, and you should instead buy a studio album. This is far from a failed fan tribute, but "!!!Fuck You!!!" was never that great to begin with, and even less poignant now, though nostalgia aside, I'm sure the devoted will froth and frenzy when it's performed in a set today. Just over 2 minutes of rebellion. The band also has full live records, which sound a little better than the offerings here, so that's not really a major selling point either. Really it's just a matter of having that s/t EP on a CD which makes or breaks this...

-autothrall
http://www.fromthedustreturned.com

And Then Some Indeed - 99%

Symphony_Of_Terror, March 18th, 2004

The more updated Fuck You!. This is the extender version of the 80's ep, which has a metric ton of bonus material. Including the origonal live tracks and some new live tracks as well as overkills early demo. Overall its not a shabby production or a bad buy.

Well whats good about it is that the live stuff on it is great...you really get two live shows here, one from the 80's and the other from the 90's, two different Overkill Line-ups, which is interesting and enjoyable. You can see how their live sound changed, or didn't since they play as good as they did live back then as now. So two live shows on this release ain't bad at all now is it?

The demo is a nice addition as well, its not like Overkill released it elsewhere by itself. So coupling it with the rest of this stuff makes this compilation damn good. I usually hate when bands make compilations of their demo's and old live recordings because they usually suck and have bad quality but that is not the case here. This is done well. There is nothing here I can take points off here, except that Overkill Only did this for money.