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Myjk
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:31 pm 
 

With the sad news of Dio's passing after a certain mourning period the 3 remaining members will have to eventually soldier on the question is what do they do now? They can't go back to Ozzy not after all that's happened. And if they go back to say Tony Martin do they still call it Heaven And Hell?
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:36 pm 
 

I think they might continue it out of respect for Dio, plus I know Iommi ain't even bout to startin quittin' on them riffs, son.

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Ozenrol
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:44 pm 
 

It'd be great if they just started a new project, something apart from H&H and Sabbath. Nobody could fill Dio's shoes. Hell, even if they just reformed as a pure instrumental band it'd be great, but that probably wouldn't happen.

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Lemmyapu
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:45 pm 
 

Ozenrol wrote:
It'd be great if they just started a new project, something apart from H&H and Sabbath. Nobody could fill Dio's shoes.


Tony Martin? Not the same but if they had to..

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Evil_Johnny_666
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:49 pm 
 

Heaven and Hell is merely Black Sabbath reformed with Dio, trying to avoid legal troubles with Ozzy. That said, as much as I respect Dio, Black Sabbath (thus Heaven and Hell too) was as much about Dio as it was about Ozzy; it has always been Tony Iommi's band and both singers weren't the only ones the band had. So really, unless this depresses the shit out of Iommi (which it might do) and/or he feels like his time is over, I don't see any reason for him not to continue. Geezer and Vinnie Appice are still there, maybe Tony Martin could fill in, or Ozzy...

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:51 pm 
 

Evil_Johnny_666 wrote:
Heaven and Hell is merely Black Sabbath reformed with Dio, trying to avoid legal troubles with Ozzy. That said, as much as I respect Dio, Black Sabbath (thus Heaven and Hell too) was as much about Dio as it was about Ozzy; it has always been Tony Iommi's band and both singers weren't the only ones the band had. So really, unless this depresses the shit out of Iommi (which it might do) and/or he feels like his time is over, I don't see any reason for him not to continue. Geezer and Vinnie Appice are still there, maybe Tony Martin could fill in, or Ozzy...


If Ozzy fills in, they would just revert back to the original name. Maybe Tony Martin or Glenn Hughes for H&H. who knows.

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veyita88
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:54 pm 
 

Tony Martin era wasn´t really succesful i don´t think that it would work,i think that they will stop Heaven and Hell and each to his own...maybe Iommi will do some solo stuff.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:54 pm 
 

Messiah Marcolin would be interesting.

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:55 pm 
 

Johan Langquist would be awesome too. I like him better than Marcolin, personally.

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Ozenrol
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:55 pm 
 

Lemmyapu wrote:
Ozenrol wrote:
It'd be great if they just started a new project, something apart from H&H and Sabbath. Nobody could fill Dio's shoes.


Tony Martin? Not the same but if they had to..


Now that you mention it, I do agree. If anyone had to take Dio's place, Martin would be great for it if they did it right.

Hughes just doesn't sound right for it (haven't listened to his sabbath era stuff), and Ozzy's just not an option anymore, since the lawsuit and everything.

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Whackooyzero
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:57 pm 
 

If Tony Martin would rejoin I think that would be ideal. He justs fits the band really well and he's a great singer. I know in 2002 he said he would never sing for them again, but after something this tragic maybe he'll consider it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:59 pm 
 

Hopefully a new project. Heaven and Hell was about Dio era Black Sabbath and while many might disagree with me, for Iommi to go back to Ozzy would be a disaster. The greatest disappointment is that there will never be a second Heaven and Hell album.

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Lemmyapu
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:00 pm 
 

Whackooyzero wrote:
If Tony Martin would rejoin I think that would be ideal. He justs fits the band really well and he's a great singer. I know in 2002 he said he would never sing for them again, but after something this tragic maybe he'll consider it.


They might as well change the band name from Heaven and Hell to The Eternal Idol if Martin did re-join. Not good.

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:01 pm 
 

Lemmyapu wrote:
Whackooyzero wrote:
If Tony Martin would rejoin I think that would be ideal. He justs fits the band really well and he's a great singer. I know in 2002 he said he would never sing for them again, but after something this tragic maybe he'll consider it.


They might as well change the band name from Heaven and Hell to The Eternal Idol if Martin did re-join. Not good.


Why? Even if they did have to change the name(though I doubt it) I don't see how it would be a bad thing.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:04 pm 
 

Ow... I didn't think of that... If they don't go back to Ozzy, they won't have access to all the songs he sung on. Dio era is definitely the most important if we don't count Ozzy and I'm sure they'd be some cold reception towards anyone else singing on Dio songs.

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:05 pm 
 

i could see Dio's passing further the possibility of an original Black Sabbath reunion, again. they've all said it's a future possibility, ruling nothing out, and with H&H likely out of the picture, there's one major project out of the way for Iommi & Geezer. if anything, they should unite to play one tribute show in honor of Dio.

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Evil_Johnny_666
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:08 pm 
 

I'd wouldn't feel too positive on reuniting with someone who wanted to sue you for using another singer for his band. Well that doesn't exclude the possibility, but I seriously doubt they left on a friendly note.


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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:10 pm 
 

I think touring with a variety of old singers would be a possibility. Dio wouldn't want everyone to just hang up on the project. Hughes, Martin and Gillian are all still kicking, and whilst unlikely, it'd be great to perform with each of them here and there - maybe even Ozzy, but that's less likely.

Essentially, have the instrumental line-up of Iommi, Apice (Or Ward, whatever.) and Butler - with guest vocalists, in the studio and live.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:17 pm 
 

I predict they will get ZP Theart to sing for them.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:32 pm 
 

One person I would really like to see with Heaven and Hell is Robert Lowe. Sure he's not Dio, but he's a prominent singer and he's got a very powerful and operatic voice, and just doom to the bones.

Oh well...

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Vvall
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:37 pm 
 

Ian Gillan...I thought Born Again was a great (and very underated album),and would enjoy hearing some more tunes from this formation.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:50 pm 
 

Ok, Heaven and Hell is done. There's no way you replace Dio in that band. You don't. Tony Martin? Are you kidding? It's not that I don't like the Martin-era, because I do, but you don't bring him into Heaven & Hell. H&H is about the Dio era, and bringing in another singer to replace him would be an insult.

Honestly, I think Black Sabbath is now dead as a creative entity. Tony and Geezer might still work together, but I wouldn't be shocked if they go their separate ways. They aren't going to do anything new with Ozzy, unless it's a tour, and that won't happen for a while, if it happens at all. The 4 original Sabs don't have the creative chemistry together to make new music. At separate times, Geezer, Ozzy, and Tony have pretty much acknowledged this. Tony Martin isn't coming back. Ian Gillian is busy with Deep Purple, Glenn Hughes doesn't want (and never wanted) to be in Black Sabbath.

I think it's time for Tony and Geezer to either pursue a new project, free of the Black Sabbath legacy (or as free from it as they can get) or put all their efforts into their solo careers.

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:57 pm 
 

Like someone already suggested, get Messiah, period.

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:02 pm 
 

Clearly Dio can't be replaced with an equal, as he has none. What then do Iommi and co do? Find a way to rework Black Sabbath? Continue on as Heaven and Hell with another voice? Or just leave it be and find entirely separate projects? No-one knows. Certainly the band members won't for a while, I'm sure.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:32 pm 
 

TadGhostal wrote:
I think it's time for Tony and Geezer to either pursue a new project, free of the Black Sabbath legacy (or as free from it as they can get) or put all their efforts into their solo careers.



I agree completely with this. Start something with someone they've never played with before. There's plenty of great older metal singers still floating around.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:40 pm 
 

[quote="bassethornmusic"]Like someone already suggested, get Messiah, period.[/quote]

As much as Id like to see that happening, the odds are virtually zero, as powerful as a singer as Messiah is they would never request his services. After all the mourning has passed, I'm not quite sure what will befall Sabbath, an Ozzy reunion is possible, but I think it's tantamount to sacrilege. As for Heaven and Hell unfortunately I think they are finished, only time will tell in the long run....

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:43 pm 
 

Tony Martin could conceivably continue Heaven and Hell. I personally would like to see something that brought such songs as Anno Mundi, Jerusalem, etc. to the stage again, as well as a continuation of the sound on The Devil You Know. No one can be Dio's equal, but if there is anyone who can offer a voice to a new incarnation of the band, it's Tony Martin. He did it before.

He has a powerful enough voice that it certainly would not detract from even the performance of the song Heaven and Hell.
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Goatfangs wrote:
Tony Martin could conceivably continue Heaven and Hell. I personally would like to see something that brought such songs as Anno Mundi, Jerusalem, etc. to the stage again, as well as a continuation of the sound on The Devil You Know. No one can be Dio's equal, but if there is anyone who can offer a voice to a new incarnation of the band, it's Tony Martin. He did it before.

He has a powerful enough voice that it certainly would not detract from even the performance of the song Heaven and Hell.

If anything, I would expect that they could continue as Black Sabbath with Tony Martin, since a) it is their brandmark name b) fans start to see first now, how good the first two albums with him were and appreciate his second solo album and c) as was already said, the Heaven And Hell monicker was adopted just to avoid kegal troubles with Ozzy - we know to which things is Sharon able...

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Goatfangs wrote:
Tony Martin could conceivably continue Heaven and Hell. I personally would like to see something that brought such songs as Anno Mundi, Jerusalem, etc. to the stage again, as well as a continuation of the sound on The Devil You Know. No one can be Dio's equal, but if there is anyone who can offer a voice to a new incarnation of the band, it's Tony Martin. He did it before.

He has a powerful enough voice that it certainly would not detract from even the performance of the song Heaven and Hell.


I don't think Tony Martin is the only one who can sing those songs, but yeah, he's the most likely candidate right now. But sadly, who else but us knows about Tony Martin....alas, the populace in general thought the last Black Sabbath album as Paranoid....
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Witcher wrote:
the Heaven And Hell monicker was adopted just to avoid kegal troubles with Ozzy - we know to which things is Sharon able...


Goddamn that Sharon and her pelvic excercises!
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:15 am 
 

well i doubt they'll play with ozzy again other than maybe in a festival setting. the guy sues his own band just for the name. that is pretty deuche. i would not want anything to do with him after that.

Dio was a small man, but damn are those big shoes to fill.

Halford should do some albums with H&H. that concert on youtube when he fills in for DIO was amazing. itd be even more amazing to see what he could do with Iommi. Priest isn't looking too promising anymore.
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666head wrote:
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Tony Martin could conceivably continue Heaven and Hell. I personally would like to see something that brought such songs as Anno Mundi, Jerusalem, etc. to the stage again, as well as a continuation of the sound on The Devil You Know. No one can be Dio's equal, but if there is anyone who can offer a voice to a new incarnation of the band, it's Tony Martin. He did it before.

He has a powerful enough voice that it certainly would not detract from even the performance of the song Heaven and Hell.


I don't think Tony Martin is the only one who can sing those songs, but yeah, he's the most likely candidate right now. But sadly, who else but us knows about Tony Martin....alas, the populace in general thought the last Black Sabbath album as Paranoid....


To be honest, with Martin I personally think they would still be pretty successful. If they did a tribute to Dio tour with him singing I'm sure people would go for it, not to mention in Europe Headless Cross was a huge hit so I imagine at least a fair amount of people would be into seeing BLACK SABBATH(not H&H) continue with Tony Martin.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:55 am 
 

I don't think they should continue with the Heaven & Hell name since it's connected to Dio's vocals as much as the rest of the band. Hopefully they'll keep on playing with a new name.
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Yeah they should definitely go with Martin. Aside the fact that he's one of the best metal singers I know (along with Dio, Midnight, Tate, Halford etc.) and that Tyr is one of the three best BS albums for me - Tony Martin can do well enough both Ozzy and Dio era Sabbath stuff whereas I'm sceptical about Ozzy's capabilities.

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As much as I wish Dio could be on the next H&H album, I'm actually kind of irrationally excited waiting to hear about who, if anyone, will be their next singer. Think about how much of a difference the various singers made for Black Sabbath; the Tony Martin albums sound nothing like the Ozzy albums sound nothing like the Dio albums. The thought of a new and possibly awesome direction for Iommi & co. is intriguing. It would be ultra lame if the new guy just tried to be Dio, and the music was written as such.
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Hopefully, they have the sense not to give it to him. Everything he touches turns to shit, he's like the poo king Midas.

I hope Iommi does follow a more metallic project rather than going solo with Glenn Hughes again. Whoever is be their next singer - if that is going to happen - needs to be a songwriter too.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:23 am 
 

Well. Either way hopefully they keep it going, some is better then none, and I have faith that whoever if they get to fill in for dio will be good, they wouldnt give the part to just anyone ofcourse.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:43 am 
 

I think that Heaven & Hell is done. As for Black Sabbath, Tony Martin is a possibility. I enjoyed some of the material from the Tony Martin era. Ozzy will not be reuniting with them, I don't think. Otherwise, sure try someone new.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:08 am 
 

Sadly, I get the feeling that Sabbath is finished. Dio is gone, Heaven and Hell wouldn't work with any other singer, and there's no way that they'll finally make an album with Ozzy. If anything, they'll split up and form new projects. I suppose Iommi's project with Ian Gillan could become a full time band...
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