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Kruel
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:35 am 
 
Dark_Mewtwo1 wrote:
im looking for some prog metal that has a sad, melancholy atmosphere, an overall darker sound. most prog metal ive heard sounds too happy for me, and i tend to dislike it.

a good example of what im talking about is dark suns - existence. riverside also fits the bill. im already going to check out anubis gate and vanden plas based on what ive read here, but i would appreciate any more suggestions.

It has been mentioned above, but anyway check out Beyond Twilight.
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DrSharK
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:40 am 
 
Regarding the earlier discussion regarding what defines prog metal; I'm pretty sure that it just means the music has a tendency to avoid pop music song structuring, some experimentalism and a high degree of musical profeciency.
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levasty
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:43 am 
 
Any recs on bands like Devin Townsend?
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RevengeISeek666
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:38 pm 
 
You could try Ephel Duath's music. If you are into jazz-driven black metal, you might want to check this out.
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Wra1th1s
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:41 am 
 
Everyone should listen to Outworld, absolutely no exceptions. Trust me. Buy their debut and worship Cooley and pals.

Also, check out Spiral Architect. Freaky Norsk prog.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:18 am 
 
Bezerko wrote:
Hmm, I might ask a question here myself.

Basically, I've always hated prog metal, it's just turned me off whenever I'd heard it. With my recent interest in power metal, I'm looking for some "gateway" bands that could introduce me to the genre. I know people seem to mention a number of bands all the time, but even these "popular" bands in the genre often have a huge amount of releases, and the wrong choice could put me off forever! I'm willing to give the genre a try though, so here we go...

Looking for some prog metal with a fair leaning towards power metal (I'm talking Black Majesty style power metal here) and not to much emphasis on the whole "progressive" stuff, I'm a newbie to it after all. Good, strong vocals are a plus (no harsh vocals please, as I said I'm leaning towards to pm styled bands) and a nice flow in the songs, no Opeth-style stop-stop stuff.

That's about as detailed as I can make my description unfortunately, I just have no knowledge of the genre.

Not really familiar with Black Majesty. Symphony X have a largely power metal sound; I'd start with The Divine Wings of Tragedy. If you like them, check out Shadow Gallery next, starting with Tyranny.

Dark_Mewtwo1 wrote:
im looking for some prog metal that has a sad, melancholy atmosphere, an overall darker sound. most prog metal ive heard sounds too happy for me, and i tend to dislike it.

a good example of what im talking about is dark suns - existence. riverside also fits the bill. im already going to check out anubis gate and vanden plas based on what ive read here, but i would appreciate any more suggestions.

In Mourning, maybe? They're closer to Opeth than to Riverside or Dark Suns, though they're certainly dark and melancholic (and their songs are more concise than most of Opeth's material).
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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:14 am 
 
Every time I see a power/prog metal request, I always think of Angel Dust lately and they always fit, so Bezerko, check out this fucking band. :p

And Fates Warning - Arch era - is up your alley, as Black Majesty took some cues from them in the songwriting department. If you like them, try Crimson Glory and Manilla Road too.

And it is a bit of a stretch, but Communic and Scariot might be up your alley.
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urhest
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:43 pm 
 
Nobody mentioned one of the alltime greatest Psychotic Waltz?!
Their first (A Social Grace) is so dark, yet beautiful and will remain the single most inspirational album and hasn't been topped by any progresive bands in my book. When it came out years ago, it just blew the shit out of me! I'm sad to see they broke up, eventhough Buddy Lackey remained playing progresive metal in Dead Soul Tribe (under his new monicker Devon Graves for some silly reason...).
To wrap it up, Psychotic Waltz! And almost anything related to Buddy Lackey (but only almost, cuz I don't really like the new DST album)!
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TheStormIRide
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:58 pm 
 
Lately I've really gotten into Fates Warning. I just picked up No Exit, finally. Also, I've been into Dream Theater for a while.

Anything along those two lines would be great.

Further, I'm a huge Rush fan (I know, I know, not too metal anymore) and I really dig Tiles. Anything in that vein would be great.


Has anyone else here listened to Acid Rain (from Spain or Portugal I believe)? Simply incredible album...
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levasty
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:03 am 
 
TheStormIRide wrote:
Lately I've really gotten into Fates Warning. I just picked up No Exit, finally. Also, I've been into Dream Theater for a while.

Anything along those two lines would be great.

Further, I'm a huge Rush fan (I know, I know, not too metal anymore) and I really dig Tiles. Anything in that vein would be great.


Has anyone else here listened to Acid Rain (from Spain or Portugal I believe)? Simply incredible album...

You didn't exactly explain the specific sound, but here.

Pain of Salvation
Adaigo
Mechanical Poet
Redemption
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Nahsil
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:16 am 
 
I need to get more Shadow Gallery. I've only heard their self-titled, but I love it. What next?
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Kruel
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:46 am 
 
Nahsil wrote:
I need to get more Shadow Gallery. I've only heard their self-titled, but I love it. What next?

I think Tyranny was pretty good.


urhest wrote:
Nobody mentioned one of the alltime greatest Psychotic Waltz?!
Their first (A Social Grace) is so dark, yet beautiful and will remain the single most inspirational album and hasn't been topped by any progresive bands in my book. When it came out years ago, it just blew the shit out of me! I'm sad to see they broke up, eventhough Buddy Lackey remained playing progresive metal in Dead Soul Tribe (under his new monicker Devon Graves for some silly reason...).
To wrap it up, Psychotic Waltz! And almost anything related to Buddy Lackey (but only almost, cuz I don't really like the new DST album)!

Yeah, Psychotic Waltz is great.

RevengeISeek666 wrote:
You could try Ephel Duath's music. If you are into jazz-driven black metal, you might want to check this out.

It's hardly black, though...
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rexxz
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:45 am 
 
Nahsil wrote:
I need to get more Shadow Gallery. I've only heard their self-titled, but I love it. What next?


Shit, everything. Seriously. Just go chronologically.
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Prodd
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:48 am 
 
TheStormIRide wrote:
Further, I'm a huge Rush fan (I know, I know, not too metal anymore)


Woah, woah, woah. Dude, Rush is right up there, man, and haha, I'd flip off any metalhead who thought I was selling out if I listen to them. :lol::lol:
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Wra1th1s
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:14 am 
 
Nahsil wrote:
I need to get more Shadow Gallery. I've only heard their self-titled, but I love it. What next?


Tyranny or Room V had LaBrie, thus awesometastic.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:07 pm 
 
pagan's mind
andromeda
cea serin
cerberus effect
fourth estate "see what i see"
frogg cafe
helmet of gnats
gordian's knot
dysrythmia
manilla road
mekong delta
secret oyster - sea son
sikth - death of a dead day
solefald
tandjent-no one will hear us
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secretninja
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:23 pm 
 
anything thats a balance of melodic and brutal. please.
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MaliciousAwesome
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:56 pm 
 
Maudlin of the Well.
Really proggy, almost avant-garde.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:34 pm 
 
looking for something with a LOT of Jazz influence. I hope I'm not being too vague. The only prog metal experience i have is the prog songs Maiden have done, and Rhapsody (of Fire), Dream Theatre, and kamelot. other than that I haven't listened to anything Prog related
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MMM88
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:44 pm 
 
megahassan wrote:
looking for something with a LOT of Jazz influence. I hope I'm not being too vague. The only prog metal experience i have is the prog songs Maiden have done, and Rhapsody (of Fire), Dream Theatre, and kamelot. other than that I haven't listened to anything Prog related


Check out those.. most of them are instrumental though.

Cynic - Focus
Gordian Knot (all instrumental, formed by members of Cynic)
Liquid Tension Experiment (also instrumental.. formed by members of DT.. basically DT without vocals)
Pain of Salvation - Entropia (first album has some jazzy moments)
Bozzio Levin & Stevens
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MMM88
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:46 pm 
 
Also try The Dixie Dregs and Steven Morse solo stuff.
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gomorro
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:57 pm 
 
Andy Timons
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rustyslacker
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:15 pm 
 
megahassan wrote:
looking for something with a LOT of Jazz influence. I hope I'm not being too vague. The only prog metal experience i have is the prog songs Maiden have done, and Rhapsody (of Fire), Dream Theatre, and kamelot. other than that I haven't listened to anything Prog related

Aghora is what you need.
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TheYardstick
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:10 am 
 
They're not harsh, but they are fucking technical.

Spiral Architect.
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Getcha_Pull
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:20 pm 
 
I recommend later Death. Or Atheist, Cynic is also good
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:28 am 
 
Cynic's Focus is brilliant. Fucking Brilliant :bow:

Thanks for the reccs, I liked them all but this one stood out for me. (A late reply but I only checked up on this thread now :ugh:
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Operative_Word
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:43 am 
 
Bezerko wrote:
Hmm, I might ask a question here myself.

Basically, I've always hated prog metal, it's just turned me off whenever I'd heard it. With my recent interest in power metal, I'm looking for some "gateway" bands that could introduce me to the genre. I know people seem to mention a number of bands all the time, but even these "popular" bands in the genre often have a huge amount of releases, and the wrong choice could put me off forever! I'm willing to give the genre a try though, so here we go...

Looking for some prog metal with a fair leaning towards power metal (I'm talking Black Majesty style power metal here) and not to much emphasis on the whole "progressive" stuff, I'm a newbie to it after all. Good, strong vocals are a plus (no harsh vocals please, as I said I'm leaning towards to pm styled bands) and a nice flow in the songs, no Opeth-style stop-stop stuff.

That's about as detailed as I can make my description unfortunately, I just have no knowledge of the genre.


I would heartily recommend Elegacy's album Impressions.
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Bezerko
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:38 pm 
 
Thankyou good sir, checking them out!
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Operative_Word
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:07 pm 
 
Bezerko wrote:
Thankyou good sir, checking them out!


I must point out that the vocalist could use a little work, however. He's not horrible, just not that special.
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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:08 pm 
 
Go get Outworld's debut, Bezerko, you'll cream yourself.
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Bezerko
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:10 pm 
 
PM the band name to me Emp, I need some sleep and will probably forget to re-visit the thread for a while. ;)
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DaddyZeus67
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:39 pm 
 
Give me a prog metal band that DOESN'T rip off Dream Theater

already know Opeth
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Operative_Word
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:21 pm 
 
DaddyZeus67 wrote:
Give me a prog metal band that DOESN'T rip off Dream Theater

already know Opeth


There are some out there. Hmm, there's Evergrey, Orphaned Land, Pain of Salvation, Dead Soul Tribe, Devin Townsend Band, Riverside, Devil Doll, Green Carnation, the list goes on...
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rexxz
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:38 pm 
 
The majority of prog metal bands do not rip off Dream Theater, in fact.

That common notion is ridiculous.
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Bonzo
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:31 pm 
 
Yes. YES.
It's not a metal band, but the bass, the electric guitar and the drums are as tough as they could be in the seventies.
Yes is a tough band, they play tensed music, and their major records ( you just have to own one : "Yesssongs", the triple live album ) contain 100% of what progressive groups - including metal - do today.
Don't hesitate. Trust the absolute classic of progressive music. Your soul will fly higher, and your musical knowledge will get sharper and sharper.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:31 pm 
 
If it's not a metal band then why did you post it in the "Progressive METAL help thread".

Please use your brain.
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Bonzo
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:33 pm 
 
You HAVE TO know Yes if you wanna understand 50% of progressive metal : the progressive part of it. That's why I think that my advice is helpful. Sorry if if bother you.
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rexxz
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:34 pm 
 
No you don't.

This is only for metal, there is a thread for progressive rock in The Tavern.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:53 pm 
 
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Reccomendation Request:

Are there any Progressive metal bands that tend to use instruments that aren't considered "metal" a LOT? Like violins, organs, flutes, and the like. I've heard some prog bands that use these instruments in their songs, but I'm looking for bands that use unorthodox musical instruments to a very large extent in their music. Not sure if any progressive band like this exists, but I'm interested in hearing how such music would sound...
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Bonzo
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:27 pm 
 
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What a funny behaviour. Even if I hated you - I don't -, I wouldn't ask the forum to ban you. Why is that your first, instinctive, immediate reaction ? Are you Joe DiMaio ?
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