Thanks for helping! Agreed that the old-school tags are more than a bit ambiguous and tricky. Thoughts, mods?

cheers,
--N

Do you think this thread could be stickied? Or could a mod perhaps consider making a new stickied version? I think discussing changes in bands' genre labels on this website will always be a relevant issue.

Thanks for considering.

Volbeat is listed as Heavy/Groove Metal

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They are a mix of metal and rockabilly. There's a big difference between what Volbeat plays and what Pantera played.

More odd-balls:

Borgo Pass Southern Styled Metal ("styled" is an odd word, and one of their LP's mentioned "Sludge" so perhaps that is more appropriate)

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did a search for neo, and found quite an odd occurance: Neo thrash. Did a search for neo thrash and found 19 results, as follows:

1. Brainpeaches Thrash / Neo-Thrash
2. Cyclone P. Thrash / Neo Thrash
3. Disciples of Hell Neo-Classical/Thrash Metal/Shred
4. Elysium (Cze) Neo/Thrash Metal
5. Funny Farm Thrash / Neo-Thrash
6. Gravity (Ger) Thrash / Neo-Thrash
7. Greed Thrash/Neo-Thrash Metal
8. Ground Inch Neo-Thrash Metal
9. Gryn Thrash / Neo-Thrash
10. Head Hung Low Thrash / Neo-Thrash
11. Inrage (Bra) Neo-Thrash Metal
12. Maltese Cross Neo-Thrash/Groove Metal
13. Natural Selection Agency Neo-Thrash Metal
14. Presskopp Neo-Thrash Metal
15. Rising Down Thrash / Neo-Thrash
16. Stollwerk Neo-Thrash / Groove Metal
17. Stoneflow Thrash / Neo-Thrash
18. The Outburst Melodic Neo/Thrash Metal
19. United Thrash Metal (early), Metalcore / Neo-Thrash Metal (now)

I'm fairly certain "neo-thrash" is a nice term for groove or post-thrash.

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Also, I found this:

The Jelly Jam Neo-Prog, Progressive Metal - and I have no idea what "neo prog" is, to be honest.


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3. Your Anguish Thrash/Death Metal (first), Swedish Death Metal (now) (I'm fairly certain Swedish Death Metal can be switched to Gothenburg, Melodic Death Metal, or both.)


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did a search for "ized" and came up with one result:

Mezzerschmitt Industrialized Black Metal

Perhaps could be switch to either "Industrial/Black Metal" or "Black Metal with Industrial influences" depending on how much Industrial is mixed in.

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did a search for "ised" and came up with another industrial/BM project (again, just one result):

Vorak Industrialised Black Metal

this could likely be switched as mentioned above ^

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That's all for now.

cheers,
--N

EDIT: and not to be a point whore (because that really doesn't concern me all that much, though it would be nice to hit 500 someday heh) will I be getting any points out of this, because essentually I am reporting a lot of band mistake, albeit on the boards - and then a more senior member is changing it, gaining points from it. Not a huge deal, just curious as to how that is dealt with in regards to on-board flagging of bands.


EDIT 2: did a search for "die" and while all of the results came up as being "medieval, there was one band which broke the mold:

Bayt Gadol Melodic Death Metal with Middle Eastern melodies (and I'm fairly certain "melodies" can be switched with "influences")

cheers,
--N

did a search for "da" and found plenty of goodies:

Commander (Swe) Heavy MetalUpdate band info (yes, that's their genre)
Enoch (US) Horror Darkwave (didn't know "horror" was a genre)
Frozen Mist Dark Melodic Fantasy Metal (didn't know fantasy was a genre)
Koura Dark, Thrash metal (not a problem with the genre naming conventions so much as the pseudo-Manson picture makes me think that the genre is itself is completely wrong - but it's just a hunch)

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did a search for "ban" and got 2 results:

1. Commander (Swe) Heavy MetalUpdate band info (as above)
2. Leize Heavy Metal (early) - Urban Rock (now) (not sure WTF Urban Rock is)

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did a search for "cy" and came up with:

1. Asyndess Cyber Dark Metal/Black metal influences
2. Sisthema cyber-thrash metal

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did a search for "fan" and came up with 6 results:

1. Baranduin Fantasy/Folk/Power with harsh vocals
2. Eternal Winter (US) Epic Fantasy Power Metal
3. Frozen Mist Dark Melodic Fantasy Metal
4. Heresiarh Fantasy Black Metal
5. Jangli Jaggas Black/Fantasy metal
6. Sirion (Pol) Dark Fantasy Ambient

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did a serch for "little" and came up with 5 results:

1. Autumn Spirits Heavy Metal with little Folk influence
2. Gottes Vergessene Seelen Dark Metal with little Death/Thrash influences
3. Konfus Melodic Death/Black Metal with little Punk influence
4. Syringe (Ger) Thrash/Death Metal with little Hardcore influences
5. Vice Verse Heavy metal with little hardcore influences

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did a search for "hor" and came up with 10 results:

1. After Dark (US) Horror Metal / Sludge
2. Army of in Between Extreme Horror Metal (new) Gothic/Industrial (old)
3. Craving Gore Death/Horror Metal
4. Dave Slave Horror / Heavy Metal
5. Demons of Guillotine Black/Horror Metal
6. Enoch (US) Horror Darkwave
7. Malignari Heavy/Progressive Horror Metal
8. Mortifer (Bel) Symphonic Metal (early) - Black Horror Metal (now)
9. Notre Dame Theatrical Horror Gothic Metal
10. The Von Frankensteins Metal/Hardcore/Horrorcore

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did a search for "thea" and came up with 4 results:

1. Descension Dark Theatrical Metal (Death/Black/Power/Folk)
2. Devil Doll Theatrical / Symphonic / Progressive with Rock and Metal Elements
3. Notre Dame Theatrical Horror Gothic Metal
4. St. Madness Theatrical Heavy Metal

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that's all for now.

cheers,
--N

Yikes! I fixed this one.

Yeah, that's been the most outright brutal one I've found thus far, ha ha.

1. urban rock, shred and neo-prog are valid genres.
2. 90's thrash does not equal post-thrash. it can be debated whether the distinction is necessary, though.
3. you're not getting any points for this.

Naervaer
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=13542
Dark ambient, mood (???)

Alright. I actually had looked up shred before you posted this, and I had no idea it was (essentually) analogus to neo-classical metal, so that's fine.

As for urban rock and neo-prog, I suppose my next question would be: although these two are valid genres, are these genres the correct ones for the bands they are listed under? As in, Leize has their genre as urban rock, but is that actually what they play? Given that it is one band out of 55,000 or so on the archives, I can easily see having urban rock be their genre - but is it really? Who has knowledge on this to back up this genre?

Also, I did another "neo prog" search and two results fit the bill:

7. Green Carnation Gothic/Neo-Progressive Metal/Rock
24. The Jelly Jam Neo-Prog, Progressive Metal

Now, are these two bands actually "neo-prog"? Can anyone varify that? I realise these are very niche cases, but the purpose of the Metal Archives as a heavy metal encyclopaedia is both quantity and quality of information.


Okay, fair enough. I assumed that the use of "90's thrash" was referring to the post-thrash movement itself, but I suppose this could likely be some sort of "old school" thrash discipline or... something, anyways. I highly doubt the distinction needs to be made, however. Same with "old-school", though I can see that much more easily debatable than "90's thrash".


Okay, just figured I'd ask. I suppose I'll write some more reveiws and try to get more info about local bands so that I may add them to the site. Gotta get to that elusive 500 somehow

Well, here's 4 more:
1. Dreamflight Atmospheric Doom Metal; Melancholic Rock
2. In Fieri Melancholic Doom/Black
3. Seigmen Start: Gothic Metal, end: Dark Melancholic Rock
4. The Fall of Every Season Melancholic Doom Metal

Could "atmospheric" be used in lieu of "melancholic"? What about for the "Melancholic Rock" genre? Is that legit?

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EDIT 1:
Did a search for "occa" and got:

Red Right Hand Thrash, occasional groove

This could simply be changed to "Thrash with Groove Metal influences"

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edit 2:
Did a search for "some" and got 19 results:

1. BadTrippe Grindcore w/ some traces of Death Metal
2. Beautiful Darkness Doom/Gothic Metal with some Power Metal elements
3. C-Fiction Metalcore with some Industrial influences
4. Darwin's Theory? Industrial Black/Death Metal with some Punk Influences
5. Defence Force Death/Doom Metal with some Thrash influences
6. Firbholg Epic Black Metal with some Folk influences
7. Foreshadow (Can) Thrash metal, later releases with some groovecore elements
8. Lichten Nacht Black Metal with some ambient parts
9. Nostredame Thrash Metal with some death metal influences
10. Oblomov Black/death metal with some folk influences
11. Paralysis (Hol) Technical Melodic Thrash with some Progressive elements
12. Portrayal Doom/Death Metal with some Grindcore influence
13. Punky Brüster Punk Rock with some Heavy Metal influences
14. Silentium (Ukr) dark ambient with some folk influences
15. Skidbladnir Viking Metal with some folkish elements
16. Unknown (Ita) Death/Thrash Metal with some Metalcore influences
17. VargAgraV Black/Death Metal with some experimental elements
18. Vonn Extreme Drone/Doom Metal with some Industrial and Noise elements
19. Zendik Heavy Metal - some Thrash Elements

I find these to be heavily redundant use of the word "some" - with the use of the term "influences" in there already, it inplies the band is dabbling in, but not fully incorperated elements of that sound. Not a huge change, but 19 bands which could use a minor clean-up.

In particular "17. VargAgraV Black/Death Metal with some experimental elements" has quite the redundant genre, not even considering the use of the word some. This one should definitely be changed.

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Also, I did a search to compare the use of the word "influence" "and element" in regards to their respective uses in bands' genre listings. "Influence" got back 515 results, whereas "element" got back 136. Is there a board standard as to which term should be used? If not, shoudl there be? If there was, could we assume "influence" is in and "element" is out? Moderators thoughts?

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did a search for "speedcore" and got 4 results. Now, I've heard of it used in regards to electronica, but are people trying to define these bands as a sort of "speed metal/metalcore" mash-up, or what?

1. B.A.R.F. Speedcore/Thrash Metal
2. Sangre (US) Blackened Speedcore
3. Send More Paramedics Thrash with hardcore/speedcore elements
4. The End 666 Speedcore/Black/Thrash Metal

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did a search for "groovecore" and got two results. Again, legit genre, or no?

1. 16 Sludge / Groovecore
2. Foreshadow (Can) Thrash metal, later releases with some groovecore elements

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did a search for "doomcore" and got back 2 results:

1. Nephusim Doomcore/Stoner Rock
2. Voidal Doom/Death Metal, Doomcore

THIS I'm SURE isn't a true genre, although sludge works quite well for this combo.

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That's all for now. I'll try to find more ridiculous/oddball genre names later.

cheers,
--N

I can attest all of them.

Not to sound ignorant or anything of that sort, but could someone please explain to me what exactly "urban rock" is?

It's a Spanish thing, some sort of crude, no-frills mainstream rock.

Hmm...is it worth looking into? That sounds a bit interesting.

Neo progressive :

http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=18

I don't care much for it to be honest, I think you'd spend your time better listening to early Barón Rojo. You might give it a try on youtube though, seach for Asfalto, Leño or Barricada videos.

Sorry for taking the thread a bit off topic, but thank you for your recommendations, I'll be sure to look into it.

Well I have to ask something about the band Peccatum, Avant-Garde Extreme Metal (old) is this valid as a genre? And what such genre can mean? specialy the Extreme Metal thing. I think Avant-garde Metal is enough. And thanks.

"Extreme" usually indicates that the sound is extreme (harsh vocals and all that), but is not clearly defined to be black, death, doom, or any other. And while most Avantgarde bands are extreme, there are certain bands that are not, so I think it is a valid, or okay-to-leave-it-like-that, genre.

Sublime Cadaveric Decomposition
"death - grind with grindcore influences"

No shit, grind-inspired death/grind. Death/grind should be enough.

I dunno, "Extreme" just (in my opinion) seems to be a bit of a cop-out in regards to trying to define the bands sound. For example, the band "Ihsahn" is listed as being "Extreme Progressive Metal" but they should really be labeled "Blackened Symphonic Progressive Metal" since their sounds not only incorporates heavy synth/keyboard use, but also an obvious Black Metal edge, if not fully a part of that genre.

I seriously think any band simply labled "extreme metal" should be looked at closely.

Hey what about adding Black Metal to Moonsorrow's genre? Their last three releases have been increasingly blackened, and the new release is folkish black metal. Also the stuff from before their first album was black metal. So i think the genre should be changed to "Viking/Folk Metal, Black Metal". Should i upload the new EP so you can hear the black metal in it?

Yes, some black metal should be noted there.

We use the word "extreme" when the band has some rather superficial death or black metal aesthetics, but are not really "blackened" so to speak. Deströyer 666 is blackened thrash, but I can't say that Peccatum or Ihsahn have any black metal sound beyond a very superficial aspect of harsh vocals.

Devilmind
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=63561
Raw epic Black Metal
Isn't this a contradiction? When I think of epic Black Metal I think of bands like Summoning.

here is the myspace site:
http://www.myspace.com/brennband
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and here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=37405
Raw Symphonic Black Metal
Sounds like Stormlord ...

Well, I think the tag fits the music: they play raw black metal with very strong folk influences. It's altogether more folk than epic...

Raw Folk/black metal seems an appropriate tag.
IMO.

I understand the reason as to why the word extreme is used, but I still think that it leaves a bit too much to the imagination; it's just too vague.

I definitely hear strong traces of BM in Ihsahn, though At the very least, could their genre be changed to "Symphonic Progressive Metal"? The wonderful keyboard use on that album is left completely out of the genre field, unfortunately.

cheers,
--N

Yeah, they really aren't altogether "epic" from what I listened to. Raw Folk/Black Metal would do fine.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=24513
Folk metal with folk influences??? Damn.

I think the genre should be shortened to simply folk metal. Or maybe folk/power metal, because i have heard the albums and they are quite power based.

In Flames is listed as Alternative Rock now?

Hahaha, when I think of Alternative Rock, I think of Toad the Wet Sprocket, Sister Hazel, Creed, Live, Garrison Star, Stone Temple Pilots, R.E.M and Nirvana.

Until In Flames records a cover of Shiny Happy People, I doubt they are going to approach the Alternative Rock genre anytime soon!

The closest band to In Flames' sound other than Soilwork is Engel, so perhaps put "With recent Alternative influences"? In Flames retained their Melodic Death Metal sound through their past 4 albums. I argue even in STYE, there are brief blips of their old sound. In R2R, Minus has a Colony style solo, and the solos and harmonies returned in Come Clarity with a sort of modernized Clayman sound for ASOP.

I listened to Alternative Rock back in the 90s, some albums from that era continue to be my favorites such as Fear by Toad The Wet Sprocket and Fortress by Sister Hazel. I can attest to the fact that Alternative Rock and In Flames have nothing in common.

It would be like someone adding Power Metal in the Genre category on Slipknot's Wikipedia.

In fact, I'll go do that now.

Heresiarh
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3710
Fantasy Black Metal
Come on... the fantasy is not necessary; look at the lyrical themes.

and here are some more:
1. Baranduin Fantasy/Folk/Power with harsh vocals
2. Eternal Winter (US) Epic Fantasy Power Metal
3. Frozen Mist Dark Melodic Fantasy Metal
4. Heresiarh Fantasy Black Metal
5. Jangli Jaggas Black/Fantasy metal
6. Sirion (Pol) Dark Fantasy Ambient

Fixed. I've also deleted Sirion: dark ambient (confirmed by the review) without wordwide distribution.
Frozen Mist still needs to be checked: "Dark Melodic Metal".
Edit: Indeed, the genre was taken from the MySpace page title: "Dark Melodic Fantasy Metal".
The genres given by their page seems somewhat more accurate "Progressive / Thrash / Death Metal".

Jabladav
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=109957

The genre is currently Black Metal, but the following aspects should be taken into consideration:


The information is from the band. The releases are not added so far, because the band provided me not with the full amount of information.
Opinions?

no cacho mucho ingles como ven hablo español pero lu unico k digo que la pagina es muy buena tiene casi todo falta LAAZ URZIMT THRASH METAL claro saludos y caos

Thrash Metal is boring as fuck. (;))

Yes, I find it odd that someone changed what was a fine fix to the rather odd Modern Rock issue to Alternative Rock, that's really no better. Despite the vocals the band still remains as a form of modernized Melodic Death Metal that is mixed with core and alternative.

Kolo http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=29253
Black/Folk Metal/Dark Ambient - absolutely wrong description. Folk/Ambient, no trace of metal at all, this review http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=85148 describes it very well.

The list of instruments (Flute, Horns, Percussion, Pipes) also reflects that. A self-released promo and a to 1000 copies limited album: bye-bye then.

and in continuation of this another Munruthel's project Silentium (Ukr) http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=44326 also not metal and no world distribution.