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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:07 pm 
 

I will use this thread to tell everybody to stop reporting the prefix ex- to be added to members of diverse bands. Such reports will be largely ignored, when they ask only about that tag and not about links etc...

Those prefixes are currently helping to get the page more complicated and confusing for random viewers.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:18 pm 
 

Yes, I just saw Demether's report about me removing/not adding ex- prefixes. Pages with so many affiliated bands don't need to be even more cluttered up with ex- prefixes.
Right after that, he also sent me a mail with the same requests. I let him know.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:18 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
I changed Heirdrain's genre for now, but are you sure this band should even be on the archives? I didn't hear any BM on "The Long Road to Death".

Yes, believe it or not, this 'band' *ugh* plays Black Metal. I have one of their releases and so does Aurvandil; I doubt that he owns more than one...
I will upload a track of this release and pm you the link...
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=175494
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AurvandiL
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:23 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
I changed Heirdrain's genre for now, but are you sure this band should even be on the archives?


Excellent question. The answer ("No.") lies in it.

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AurvandiL
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:25 pm 
 

"Merciless Onslaught

Black/Thrash Metal (early) - Old School Thrash Death Metal with Black Metal influences (now) "

I am sure it can be shortened to something like

"Black/Death/Thrash metal" or at the worst "Black/Thrash (old) - Death/Thrash metal (now)"

Opinions, mods?

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:50 pm 
 

that's a bit excessive indeed.

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BlackCancer
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:56 pm 
 

Scald (UK)
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=20820
Genre: Extreme Avant-Garde Progressive Sludge/Doom/Grind
"Scald Myspace"
Seems like a pretty ridiculous genre descriptor. Any opinions? It could probably be shortened to Sludge/Doom/Grind, at the very least.
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AurvandiL
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:25 pm 
 

What does the term "EXtreme metal" actually implies?


Sworn is considered "Melodic Extreme Metal". In my opinion, it clearly is "Melodic Black Metal", or to be even more precise, (Melodic) "Black/Folk Metal".
What do you folks think?

Sworn myspace.

Also, Melancholy Pessimism is listed as Death Metal. Without wanting to be picky, "Death Metal/Grind" would be more accurate. I own "Inconsistent World", and on this album are present: extremely fast (yet clean) brutal death blast beats, growling grunts and pitch shifted vocals, along with the brutal death/grindcore riffing. No samples here though :/ .

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:32 pm 
 

"Extreme" is useful for bands that don't fit in established extreme genres such as black, death or grind. The best example I can think of is Cradle of Filth: to call them BM may be wrong, but simply "gothic metal" would be just as misleading.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:44 pm 
 

As for the band in question, I can understand the disconfort of whoever first tagged them "melodic extreme metal". They are too much flowery, even for norsecore standards. Closer to Children of Bodom than to Satyricon or Windir, I'd add. Check out the title track of their debut, sounds like fuckin' Edguy with screeches.

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Reaper43
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:29 pm 
 

I have one that's giving me a headache.

Sjenovik (atmospheric death metal w/ dronedoom & industrial influences)
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=104461

I suggest Experimental Death/Drone or something along those lines.
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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:55 am 
 

nah, it's better the way it is. atmospheric death describes their metal side perfectly.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:13 am 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
"Extreme" is useful for bands that don't fit in established extreme genres such as black, death or grind. The best example I can think of is Cradle of Filth: to call them BM may be wrong, but simply "gothic metal" would be just as misleading.

By the way, what about Inner Fear (Cze)?(http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9047. I don't think it's usual gothic metal, at least Extreme Symphonic/Gothic Metal if you don't want to add "Black Metal" to their genre.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:49 am 
 

And this band http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=37582
Heavy/Thrash Metal? I hadn't heard their first album, maybe it was heavy/thrash, but their "Freaks of Nature"(1999) sounds like alternative metal to me.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:14 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=87192
Moloch wrote:
Blacker Than Darkness Demo, 2004 - raw black metal with evil female screams (by Unholy Tatiana. Now is a dead. make a suicide in 2006)

Inhuman Teorier Demo, 2005 - experimental drone/noise/ambient

Rotten Threads of Life Demo, 2006 - dark intuitive ambient

Humane Too Sheeps Full-length, 2006 - dark intuitive poisoned noise/ambient

Meine Alte Melancholie Full-length, 2007 - heathen intuitive ambient

Blut Und Ehre Split, 2007 heathen intuitive ambient

The End of this Planet Split album, 2007 - experimental noise black metal

Nachwirkung Suicid Demo, 2007 - experimental suicidal noise industrial

Runenwald Split album, 2007 - drone/ambient/black metal

Uralte Stille Demo, 2007 - raw intuitive black metal

Khvorost Split album, 2007 - intuitive heathen ambient

"Eihwaz" Best of/Compilation, 2007 - including black metal demo '04, '07, ambient demo '06

Herbst in den Tiefen eines Waldtraumes Best of/Compilation, 2007 - incliding ambient tracks from splits and demos

Heim-dallr Boxed set, 2007 - deep dark ambient

Traurer Full-length, 2007 - intuitive poisoned black metal

Archives Boxed set, 2008 - including unreleased black metal and ambient tracks + some rehearsals

Pure Negative Antilife Cult Boxed set, 2008 - including demo '04, '07, unreleased tracks and rehearsal tracks , new full-lenght (old version) Totally Intuitive Black Metal

Verdandi EP, 2008 - dark ambient (incl. cover versions on Burzum, Emperor, Satyricon, Summoning)

Isa Demo, 2008 - poisoned noise

Galdr Full-length, 2008 - intuitive meditative ritual ambiental runen art

Die verlorenen Waldpfade... Split album, 2008 - inuiutive ambient

Zersetzung des Lichts Split album, 2008 - depressive ambient art


Moloch_pt.2 wrote:
MOLOCH have a various albums - in Black Metal, Noise and Ambient way...



I got this information from the band. I would suggest the genre to a similiar one as Heirdrain; Black Metal, Noise, Ambient.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:33 am 
 

"Intuitive meditative ritual ambiental runen art "

What???

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:53 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
"Intuitive meditative ritual ambiental runen art "

What???

in fact, this album contains of one meditative ambient track 70-minutes long, I don't know why "runen art" :)

oneyoudontknow wrote:
I got this information from the band. I would suggest the genre to a similiar one as Heirdrain; Black Metal, Noise, Ambient.

I think maybe even Raw Black Metal, Ambient, Noise will be better.
By the way another band friendly to Moloch, Deviator http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=99896, the newest release is ambient and elder releases were raw black metal sometimes close to death metal, so, maybe it will be better to change their genre to Raw Black/Death Metal, Ambient

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:32 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
oneyoudontknow wrote:
I got this information from the band. I would suggest the genre to a similiar one as Heirdrain; Black Metal, Noise, Ambient.

I think maybe even Raw Black Metal, Ambient, Noise will be better.
I do not know much of their music, but not for long five releases will be in my possession. I have to rely therefore on the information presented to me by the band... hopefully this is enough.
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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:11 pm 
 

I almost deleted Drain, but upon listening to the second half of their debut I decided the early Alice in Chains similarities were enough to keep them.

Heirdrain stays, I was sent an mp3 by one you don't know, proving that it's metal and providing me some good laughs.

Inner Fear was updated as suggested.

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ThrashingMad
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:38 pm 
 

What about Helmet? I don't really hear many Heavy Metal in their music, I think Groove Metal would be better.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:06 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
Heirdrain stays, I was sent an mp3 by oneyoudontknow, proving that it's metal and providing me some good laughs.
That happened to me also when I listened to it first. But looking back on which tracks I have sent you, there would have certainly been "better ones". The music of Bloody Wrath (Heirdrain side-project) is in the same vein, only worse... yes, this is actually possible.
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dust666
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:06 am 
 

What about Machine Head? Shouldn't their genre be changed to Half-Thrash/Groove Metal, Mallcore? They have more mallcore albums than groove albums.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:26 am 
 

dust666 wrote:
What about Machine Head? Shouldn't their genre be changed to Half-Thrash/Groove Metal, Mallcore? They have more mallcore albums than groove albums.

Better leave it be, this would lead to the discussions, when a certain band can be considered mallcore and I know from previous topics, that in case of such bands, a wider consesus cannot be found.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:46 am 
 

Reports for Heirdrain


March 13th, 2008
Posted at 08:22

The style could be more Experimental Dark Ambient/ Harsh Noises, Black Metal

since some heirdrain release are considered more harsh Noises/Experimental than only noises

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:lol:

May I repeat. do not take it too far, please...

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:18 pm 
 

Experimental as an additional term for his ambient/noise would be more correct, but whether or not it matters is questionable.

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dust666
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:04 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=11147
Space Metal?
I guess it should be changed somehow, since space metal doesn't exist.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:03 pm 
 

dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=11147
Space Metal?
I guess it should be changed somehow, since space metal doesn't exist.

searched for "space" in music genre:
Oxiplegatz (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=7750)
Electronic/space metal

Dimension F3H(http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=8278)
Space / Industrial Metal

Iodio (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=11147)
Space Metal/Rock

Fugüe (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=16316)
Spaced doom/stoner metal

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:15 pm 
 

and please mods check this one http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=48460(Nocratai), currently listed as Industrial Black Metal, here's link to download all material:
http://download.nocratai.info/

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Vulture_Helsing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:37 pm 
 

I have wondered why Manowar is not listed as "power metal". From my experience, that's the genre tag that is most associated with them.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:19 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
and please mods check this one http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=48460(Nocratai), currently listed as Industrial Black Metal, here's link to download all material:
http://download.nocratai.info/

It is black metal mixed with industrial elements, songs, so pretty much correct.
Once again, report only the genres, which are completely wrong or non-existant. It was told so already in the beginning of the thread.

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AurvandiL
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:52 pm 
 

Ultra Vomit:
Death/Grind (early), Heavy Metal/Hard Rock (now)

The bold part is wrong. They now play a parody of many genres (genres changing from a song to another) black / metalcore / heavy / gothic /grind ...

So, I guess "Various genre" (as Gwar) would be accurate.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:31 am 
 

Manowar is heavy metal, not usually associated with either the USPM or melodic PM sounds.

That space metal band is now progressive metal/rock.

Ultra Vomit updated as suggested, heavy metal/hard rock my ass.

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AurvandiL
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:58 am 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
Ultra Vomit updated as suggested, heavy metal/hard rock my ass.


Thanks.

By the way, where does this space metal tag come from?

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dust666
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:44 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=7750
Couldn't Oxiplegatz's genre be changed to simply Industrial Metal?
Electronic/space metal is kind of weird.
Here are some samples
http://www.myspace.com/oxiplegatzband

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:45 am 
 

AurvandiL wrote:
MMisantropo wrote:
Ultra Vomit updated as suggested, heavy metal/hard rock my ass.


Thanks.

By the way, where does this space metal tag come from?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_rock

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BlackCancer
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:26 pm 
 

I've been going through a number of bands with genres that should probably be changed, but before I post them, could a moderator answer these two questions?
1.) Is "brutal deathcore" considered to be a legitimate genre?
2.) Is "technical deathcore" considered to be a legitimate genre?
I apologize if this has already been discussed in another thread, but I really can't find any examples of bands playing in those two styles. I guess in most cases the genres could be changed to brutal death metal/deathcore and technical death metal/deathcore, respectively.
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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:21 am 
 

Same difference. "Deathcore" already implies a hybrid of death metal and metalcore.

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Fetalrape
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:01 pm 
 

mp3.com/artist/albedo

Would someone mind giving this a listen and telling me what genre you think it fits into.

I was thinking something along the lines of black/thrash. But the site seems to think It's just Thrash. The vocals are more black to me.
The riffs at the end of Intraspection and the Invisible Eyes sound a lot more black than thrash.

tell me what you think?

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:09 pm 
 

Fetalrape wrote:
mp3.com/artist/albedo

Would someone mind giving this a listen and telling me what genre you think it fits into.

I was thinking something along the lines of black/thrash. But the site seems to think It's just Thrash. The vocals are more black to me.
The riffs at the end of Intraspection and the Invisible Eyes sound a lot more black than thrash.

tell me what you think?

This is the "There is an inadequate genre description at a MA band thread" not the "I have no clue what this band is playing thread".
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:15 pm 
 

Fetalrape wrote:
mp3.com/artist/albedo

Would someone mind giving this a listen and telling me what genre you think it fits into.

I was thinking something along the lines of black/thrash. But the site seems to think It's just Thrash. The vocals are more black to me.
The riffs at the end of Intraspection and the Invisible Eyes sound a lot more black than thrash.

tell me what you think?

It has nothing to do with black metal. You play still rather underdeveloped modern thrash. (It is a first demo, after all.)
Semi spoken/semi shouted/growled vocals have nothing to do with black metal. There is an attempt at death growl, but that alone does not make the band death metal. If your band attempted to do play black, you have failed.

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