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Resident_Hazard
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:46 pm 
 

HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Wrath_Of_War wrote:
I'm moving to Mexico...

Fuck that, I'm movin to Australia!
Mikey, I'm staying in your drum room! :lol:



If you're a gamer, you may want to avoid Australia. Nobody bans more games. Germany is second, I think.

Meh, not too much.
Gimme my SNES, my PS2, and I'm set. :grin:


You'll be okay.
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HighPlainsDrifter
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:50 pm 
 

Resident_Hazard wrote:
HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Wrath_Of_War wrote:
I'm moving to Mexico...

Fuck that, I'm movin to Australia!
Mikey, I'm staying in your drum room! :lol:



If you're a gamer, you may want to avoid Australia. Nobody bans more games. Germany is second, I think.

Meh, not too much.
Gimme my SNES, my PS2, and I'm set. :grin:


You'll be okay.

BTW, not really moving to Australia. Just sos alls youse peoples knowses.
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Resident_Hazard
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Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:33 pm
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:54 pm 
 

HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Wrath_Of_War wrote:
I'm moving to Mexico...

Fuck that, I'm movin to Australia!
Mikey, I'm staying in your drum room! :lol:



If you're a gamer, you may want to avoid Australia. Nobody bans more games. Germany is second, I think.

Meh, not too much.
Gimme my SNES, my PS2, and I'm set. :grin:


You'll be okay.

BTW, not really moving to Australia. Just sos alls youse peoples knowses.


I know. I get intarweb sarcasm. Giggity giggity giggity.
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Mungo
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Location: Australia
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:29 am 
 

Resident_Hazard wrote:
HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Wrath_Of_War wrote:
I'm moving to Mexico...

Fuck that, I'm movin to Australia!
Mikey, I'm staying in your drum room! :lol:



If you're a gamer, you may want to avoid Australia. Nobody bans more games. Germany is second, I think.


It's not so bad. The games you can't buy in stores, you pirate, or d/l off steam or direct2drive or whatever.

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Letlev
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Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:51 am
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:10 pm 
 

Mungo wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
HighPlainsDrifter wrote:
Wrath_Of_War wrote:
I'm moving to Mexico...

Fuck that, I'm movin to Australia!
Mikey, I'm staying in your drum room! :lol:



If you're a gamer, you may want to avoid Australia. Nobody bans more games. Germany is second, I think.


It's not so bad. The games you can't buy in stores, you pirate, or d/l off steam or direct2drive or whatever.


I can see it now "action news on channel 12. Smugglers are caught bringing in banned games such as unreal tournament 3 and My little pony!"

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Thulsa_Doom
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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:28 pm 
 

Resident_Hazard wrote:
Thulsa_Doom wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
Ron Paul fapping


See Hurricane Katrina

I NEED TO TURN THE CAPS LOCK OFF



Regarding Katrina, there were plenty of warnings that this was a serious storm. And how to you expect a populace to evacuate a city if they have no means? A good chunk of that population didn't have their own vehicles. A logical government official would've booked buses or some other transport for them. But this didn't happen. This doesn't excuse the looting and vigilantism.

I'm not one of these idiot conspiracy theorists. I don't think there was some massive government conspiracy. Only massive goverment inaction and incompetence (Bush's calling card). My point is Katrina was a perfect example of what happens when the government doesn't intervene, or the intervention is pathetic at best. Which it was (all levels of government failed it has to be said). I'm basically alluding to the belief that libertarians have that the free market will solve anything. Frankly this is just as delusional as believing that a revolution of the working classes and the abolishment of private property will solve everything.

Too much government intervention isn't to be desired, but there is a need for governments to involve themselves into the lives of their citizens. Otherwise, you're paying taxes to fatten politicians' bank accounts. Frankly, many industries aren't profitable (electricity, public transport, health care, disaster relief, etc) and to expect private industry to provide value for service in these areas is like asking a camel to swim across an ocean.

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josephus
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:53 am 
 

What I am worried about, is that Biometric Data held by the government will fall into the wrong hands. No less than three (3) U.K government owned laptops have gone missing. Each of these contained the personal information of a number of U.K citizens. One of the laptops was said to contain information on those who hold a Provisional U.K driving licence, and went missing in the United States, while it was supposed to be handled by a U.S firm (that deals in data storage and management or some such thing) working for the U.K government.

Well, I hold a provisional driving licence, and I am none too happy about the possibility of my personal information having landed in the hands of a bunch of crooks, and swindlers. If they are this careless with out personal information, do we really want such valuable and detailed information like our Biometric data being misplaced as well? I know that I sure as hell don't. It would mean that identity thieves would be able to do their 'job' with alarming effectiveness, and accuracy, if our information went onto the black market.

What about the government, and corporations, also? Perhaps they could use this against people that they want to frame, in order to remove from a position that impedes their success as a company. In the future we may see people charged with, and convicted of crimes that they never did, on account of planted, or falsified biometric evidence. I don't like it one bit.
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Corimngul
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:14 am 
 

Good post Josephus :thumbsup:

Those of you who claim that you are no criminals and thus have nothing to fear are simply too naive. Ever heard of governmental incompetence, corruption or carelessness? Or plain old-fashioned juridical injustice?

Well, such things do happen. While they probably (?) won’t happen to you specifically, disregarding the possibility as nonsense because all feds, all policemen - in fact every single person employed directly or indirectly by the state - are saints and angels who would under no circumstances take liberties with your data... I won’t spell it out. I just think that one should be very careful when placing trust in authorities.
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AxelTheRed
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Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:26 am 
 

Hello, fascism...

Maybe I'll move out of Michigan and into the Irish countryside. Somewhere far, far away from the growing presence of Big Brother.

Er...that is if by the time I save up enough money, the possiblility of moving OUT of America is still open.
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pbirv
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:25 pm 
 

Vintersemestre wrote:
Soyuz nerushimy respublik svobodnykh
Splotila naveki velikaya Rus'!
Da zdravstvuyet sozdanny voley narodov
Yediny, moguchy Sovetsky Soyuz!

Slavsya, Otechestvo nashe svobodnoye,
Druzhby narodov nadyozhny oplot!
Partiya Lenina — sila narodnaya
Nas k torzhestvu kommunizma vedyot!

Skvoz' grozy siyalo nam solntse svobody,
I Lenin veliky nam put' ozaril,
Na pravoye delo on podnyal narody,
Na trud i na podvigi nas vdokhnovil!

Slavsya, Otechestvo nashe svobodnoye,
Druzhby narodov nadyozhny oplot!
Partiya Lenina — sila narodnaya
Nas k torzhestvu kommunizma vedyot!

V pobede bessmertnykh idey kommunizma
My vidim gryadushcheye nashey strany,
I krasnomu znameni slavnoy otchizny
My budem vsegda bezzavetno verny!

Slavsya, Otechestvo nashe svobodnoye,
Druzhby narodov nadyozhny oplot!
Partiya Lenina — sila narodnaya
Nas k torzhestvu kommunizma vedyot!


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innerbeing
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:56 pm 
 

Yet another reason to move to Canada.........

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BeforeGod
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Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:20 am
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Location: Canada
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:42 am 
 

In many ways its considerably worse up here. If you do come you should bring some guns.

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Resident_Hazard
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Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:33 pm
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Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:04 am 
 

Thulsa_Doom wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
Thulsa_Doom wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
Ron Paul fapping


See Hurricane Katrina

I NEED TO TURN THE CAPS LOCK OFF



Regarding Katrina, there were plenty of warnings that this was a serious storm. And how to you expect a populace to evacuate a city if they have no means? A good chunk of that population didn't have their own vehicles. A logical government official would've booked buses or some other transport for them. But this didn't happen. This doesn't excuse the looting and vigilantism.

I'm not one of these idiot conspiracy theorists. I don't think there was some massive government conspiracy. Only massive goverment inaction and incompetence (Bush's calling card). My point is Katrina was a perfect example of what happens when the government doesn't intervene, or the intervention is pathetic at best. Which it was (all levels of government failed it has to be said). I'm basically alluding to the belief that libertarians have that the free market will solve anything. Frankly this is just as delusional as believing that a revolution of the working classes and the abolishment of private property will solve everything.

Too much government intervention isn't to be desired, but there is a need for governments to involve themselves into the lives of their citizens. Otherwise, you're paying taxes to fatten politicians' bank accounts. Frankly, many industries aren't profitable (electricity, public transport, health care, disaster relief, etc) and to expect private industry to provide value for service in these areas is like asking a camel to swim across an ocean.


And exactly what the fuck does a libertarian free market have to do with Hurricaine Katrina?


The caps lock was used as an online metaphor stating, essentially, "oh my fucking god just shut the fuck up already" directed at a now-ancient and pointless argument. The aftermath of Katrina wasn't handled perfectly, but it also wasn't mishandled. Victims of the storms caused as many, if not more, setbacks than the government did. Bush is an easy target for the unintelligent (because they can smell their own you know), and completely ignores the fact that the local governments of the hardest hit areas are more at fault for not properly preparing for the disaster--which they were warned about time and time again. On top of which, Bush doesn't control FEMA, there are people appointed to do that so he can focus on other matters. A President's job in such a situation is to survey the damage, supply inklings of hope to victims, and to allocate more help or money if needed. Solely blaming the government for the troubles after Katrina is about as useful as blaming Grand Theft Auto when a kid kills another.

Which, once again, is completely unrelated to Ron Paul.


As a side to this, it is my personal belief that the only purpose of a government is to protect citizens and uphold the constitution. Not to intervene in everyday affairs like Hillary Clinton wants it to, nor should it monitor and restrict freedom like the damn Patriot act does.
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EOS
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:01 pm 
 

I find this troubling because of the amount of "slippery slope" arguments you can make for it. Personally, I'm not paranoid that government has the ability to spy on me (although I believe they shouldn't), but I do fear that they'll also use their powers to take down critics, opponents, activists etc. and not just criminal and terrorists as they state. I don't want to give any more power or information to government, they're already way out of control. The intelligence community is also already riddled with inefficiency due to bureaucracy.

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SoakedInAcid
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:42 pm 
 

Zythifer wrote:
The above two posters clearly don't understand where fascism starts


Neither do you evidently! This is totalitarianism not fascism. By your definition the Soviet Union was fascist. But you are not at fault, fascism is hard to define.

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DaBuddha
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:28 pm 
 

This is the start of the New World Order.
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BloodIronBeer
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:40 am 
 

PriestofSadWings wrote:
Real live liberal here. Ron Paul? No thank you.

I'm not old enough to vote right now (I will be in November), but my vote will not go to Ron Paul on the off chance he gets nominated. I try not to "clump all Republicans together and whine like a little fucking bitch", but Huckabee, McCain, and Romney have the SAME stance on every issue, the differences being that McCain is a war hero, Huckabee is a Christian fundamentalist, and Romney is a good-looking Mormon. Really, the nominations for both parties are really going to be decided in a popularity contest.

As for Ron Paul, never. NEVER. He will gut the government, cut every useful government program that isn't sanctioned by the Constitution, cause economic disasters with his free-market policies, and just generally fuck everything up.

Edit: I'm not completely serious here, but I do believe that a Ron Paul presidency would be a disaster.


You're not old enough to vote. Enough said.

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BloodIronBeer
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:47 am 
 

SoakedInAcid wrote:
Zythifer wrote:
The above two posters clearly don't understand where fascism starts


Neither do you evidently! This is totalitarianism not fascism. By your definition the Soviet Union was fascist. But you are not at fault, fascism is hard to define.


Yup. It's totalitarianism, not fascism. It tends to get labelled as "fascism" in an attempt to tarnish right-wing credibility. At the same time, I can't blame people one bit for hating the Republican party as of late. And by as of late, I mean in the last 50 plus years. I considered myself a liberal until I realized how far off track both parties are as far as the mainstream is concerned.

People that call any Republican a fascist fails to realize that Republicans believe in Capitalism, not Socialism. And fascism is a marriage of left wing economics and right wing socials views. But people like to pretend that it's all right wing.

I'm generalizing, as one often has to do in these cases, but nonetheless, it's trendy to call an oppressive measure by the government "fascist" when that's not necessarily correct.

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DustyFox
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Location: Australia
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:08 am 
 

DaBuddha wrote:
This is the start of the New World Order.


I suppose we'll see a military coup which'll result in a new, Neo-Industrial-Governmental-Militaristic oppressive alliance that will crush the life out of the US and ban Aerosmith.

Sorry, but serious posts like that really do smack of ignorance and sensationalism.

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Resident_Hazard
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:41 pm 
 

BloodIronBeer wrote:
I'm generalizing, as one often has to do in these cases, but nonetheless, it's trendy to call an oppressive measure by the government "fascist" when that's not necessarily correct.



It's the "quick and dirty" way to demonize opponents--just relate them to Nazis, because, you know, they were bad.

I've reached a point where anyone comparing someone to Hitler, Nazi's or fascists is instantly ignored. To me, it means they have no real argument and because they lack the intelligence or knowledge to criticize logically, they resort to the "Nazi comparison."


For instance, I will never compare Hillary Clinton to Hitler. Besides it being a cop-out, it's just plain unfair to Hitler.





...see what I did there? I followed my valid point with intarweb sarcasm. I think it's time I got off the computer and turned on the Wii...
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Pathological_Frolic
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:00 pm 
 

Resident_Hazard wrote:
they resort to the "Nazi comparison."

I think it's called Godwin's Law, or rather the inevitability of such a comparison in an internet argument is referred to as such.
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Resident_Hazard
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:12 pm 
 

Pathological_Frolic wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
they resort to the "Nazi comparison."

I think it's called Godwin's Law, or rather the inevitability of such a comparison in an internet argument is referred to as such.

Figured there'd have to be a name for it by now.
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LSD_25
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:24 pm 
 

Resident_Hazard wrote:
Pathological_Frolic wrote:
Resident_Hazard wrote:
they resort to the "Nazi comparison."

I think it's called Godwin's Law, or rather the inevitability of such a comparison in an internet argument is referred to as such.

Figured there'd have to be a name for it by now.


Depends on the context, the Reductio ad Hitlerum is a stated logical fallacy and Godwin's law is basically just saying ease off the Nazi analogies.

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Dasher10
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:40 am 
 

What I see is a system that will allow for the greatest forms of abuse by the government. How much do you want to bet that some FBI guy is going to get pissed off at someone and have all the tools that he needs to frame him/her.

If you don't believe me, the East German Stasi (sp?) files often contain reports of unnecessary sexual voyeurism. If we bould our own "surveillance society" then what'll stop the same thing from happening here?

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