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comedicdeathrash523
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:40 pm 
 

I've had my heart set on a Gibson/Epiphone Thunderbird (I know not a very metal bass, but I like the shape). My question is should I get the relatively inexpensive Epiphone version, which some say play as well as the Gibson, but I'm very hestitant to believe it, or save up for the thousand some odd dollar Gibson?

Much thanks.
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scruffles
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:36 pm 
 

comedicdeathrash523 wrote:
I've had my heart set on a Gibson/Epiphone Thunderbird (I know not a very metal bass, but I like the shape). My question is should I get the relatively inexpensive Epiphone version, which some say play as well as the Gibson, but I'm very hestitant to believe it, or save up for the thousand some odd dollar Gibson?

Much thanks.


Get the Epi. The minimal sacrifice in quality (if any) is certainly worth the drop in price.
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untold
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:46 pm 
 

I got a Bridgecraft (fender knockoff) on ebay for around 93$, and there was a flood of them still on there last time I checked. It came with a carrying case, pick, and ampcord as well.

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Il_Misanthrope
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Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:58 pm
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Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:55 pm 
 

I own a six-string Washburn XB-600 Bantam series bass guitar, with two neck-through thumb pick-ups, 20-something frets, three-knob adjustment, and a dark charcoal gray weave-like finish.

One 400-W Peavey Black Widow series bass amp cabinet, powered by an SWR (not exactly sure which series) head. I plan to invest on making it into a fullstack, albeit more assets.
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BullHorn
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Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:45 am
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Location: Israel
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:32 am 
 

Noktorn wrote:
I need a recommendation for a decent beginner's bass for $200 max. That's $200 max. I don't need anyone to tell me to save up an additional few hundred. I need one at $200 max. Sorry to keep saying it, but whenever someone gives a budget and asks for a recommendation everything gets flooded with people saying they should save for more.

With that said, any recs?


There are many decent beginner basses for that price.

I think the best bass for that price is the ESP B50 or the Yamaha RBX170.

If you can't find the ESP, get the Yamaha. :)
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TehDarkPredator
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:26 am 
 

Anyone know a place where to get a good cheap bass for learning?
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comedicdeathrash523
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Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:45 pm
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:11 am 
 

TehDarkPredator wrote:
Anyone know a place where to get a good cheap bass for learning?


Musician's Friend.com is running a special on beginner basses, also look at the post above yours.
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InvokeTheDarkAge
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:30 pm 
 

I've been playing bass for about a week doing mostly exercises about an hour to an hour a half a day and im improving slowly, but consistently. Are there any songs i should learn? open to all suggestions

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SCMugen
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Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:02 pm
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Location: Israel
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:56 am 
 

Get guitar pro (if you havent yet) and try the following:

The Pixies - Hey
Dream Theater - I Walk Beside You (not a very hard song. if it's too fast slow the tempo... and I assume you dont have a 6 stringer, so just dont play that little part at the end when he uses the two high strings)
My Dying Bride - I Am The Bloody Earth & The Cry of Mankind

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Burzum36
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Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:14 pm
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:25 am 
 

SCMugen wrote:
Get guitar pro


That game is addicting as hell.GP2 is sick as fuck,It has Dethklok's "Thunder Horse" as a bonus.


Try learning some old Nirvana,I suggested that to a friend and he swears it is the best to start off on.
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SCMugen
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Location: Israel
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:28 am 
 

He should also try and play Judas Priest's Breaking The Law. It developed my speed a bunch, and now I use it as a warmup for my right hand...

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ge7243
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Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:46 pm
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:13 pm 
 

Greetings, just wondering if anyone here plays notation. I just started learning it this Monday, I think it's all worth it so that I can play the Textures solo by Cynic that I found some where..

And here's what I'm getting for graduation:
http://www.schecterguitars.com/spec.asp?id=111#

SOOOOO looking forward to that, played the fretted version a month or so ago and it played beautifully, and the fretless that I'm getting should be no different, if better.

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SCMugen
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Location: Israel
PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:52 am 
 

Question for people who play with 3/4 fingers...
You always play in a strict order of fingering? like, 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3? or you mix it depending on the song?
Because I find it extremely uncomfortable to play like multi-stringed stuff with like 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3. If it's on one string or maybe two, then I can still do it, but otherwise when I have something like

E---3----------------------------3------------------------------3
A-------5------------5-----5--------5---------------5-----5-----
G--------------7------------------------------7------------------
D-----------4-----4-----4---------------4-------4-----4--------

(From Bach's Suite 1 In G Major)

I have a really hard time playing it with 3 fingers.

Any advice?

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Il_Misanthrope
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:56 pm 
 

Did you try playing it slowly, and gradually speed up as you go?
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SCMugen
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:55 pm 
 

Yes, I can play the whole thing in the normal tempo (50 bpm) with two fingers, and I tried to get it even to 25bpm and couldnt play it right (with the normal 1-2-3-1-2-3 fingerpicking). My question is, do you play it in the normal order, or do you use the third finger only when you need to?

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Il_Misanthrope
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:01 pm 
 

Play in order, to keep a steadier rhythm as you would with the occasional two fingers.
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SCMugen
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:44 pm 
 

My friend also told me a better picking order would be 1-2-3-2-1-2-3-2-1-2-3 etc. I still cant see how it's possible to keep ANY order on multi-string-ed parts, but I'll try. Thanks for your advices too Misanthrope.

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Il_Misanthrope
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:48 pm 
 

No problem. But, sadly, this isn't something you can learn overnight.
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Exkretor
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Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:58 am
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:03 pm 
 

I play it like this: 1-2-3-2-1-2-3-2-1 etc

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Unearthly
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Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:10 pm
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:40 pm 
 

Burzum36 wrote:
SCMugen wrote:
Get guitar pro


That game is addicting as hell.

LOL

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Il_Misanthrope
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:43 pm 
 

Isn't that game called Guitar Hero?
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DeathFog
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:42 pm 
 

As for playing with 3 fingers I can play either 3-2-1 or 1-2-3. When playing something fast with 3 fingers on one string I normally go like 3-2-1, also I kind of hit the strings when playing in such manner. Before starting to play, you lift your 3 working fingers up and to start you make a sharp move with which you put the fingers to the strings and immediately you go 3-2-1 with your fingers, if it is done properly it will help to accentuate the beginning of the beat.
When playing 5 fingers I can use them randomly.
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gloryofthemachine
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Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:22 pm
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:44 pm 
 

I'm going to be picking up a Cort Curbow fretted four string ($350.00) for Christmas (which I am going to help pay for). I played it and its tone is downright magnificent.

Anyone know anything about Corts, just so I know I'm not making a bad decision?

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DeathFog
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:52 am 
 

I played Cort bass once on a rehearsal, sounded very good. Also I thought it to be comfortable.
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crustcorestenchhead9
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:57 pm 
 

are bc rich warlocks any good? im thinking about getting one but my friend tells me they look cool but sound too popish and are shitty basses for metal. i would have to try out the bass at a local shop but i dont want to waste my time doing that if you guys could tell me if there good or not.

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DeathFog
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:57 am 
 

Better try it yourself. Tastes and opinions differ.
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suikoden
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:25 pm 
 

I have a bc rich warlock bass platinum, and i would say that i like it quite alot, i don't understand why people would think that warlock basses suck...
Btw I would like to know from you pros here how do you actually learn metal songs especially dm songs, because my ear isn't that good, is there any way to improve.
And also for bass strumming, 2 strings or 3 strings, how do you actually go doing it very fast?
Would really appreciate any help, really desire to improve...

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suikoden
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:39 am 
 

I mean strumming without a pick of course...

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DeathForBlitzkrieg
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:23 pm 
 

suikoden wrote:
Btw I would like to know from you pros here how do you actually learn metal songs especially dm songs, because my ear isn't that good, is there any way to improve.


Start with easy songs where the bass is audible, but relatively simple, stuff like Judas Priest, Motörhead, Black Sabbath or, if you you don't mind their music, the Red Hot Chili Peppers and soon you'll be able to transliterate more difficult stuff pretty accurately.
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SCMugen
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:25 pm 
 

GAH I'm trying to adapt myself to playing stuff with 3 fingers... It's so hard! I get confused with the fingerpicking order (1-2-3-2-1-2-3-2...), even when I'm playing in really slow tempos.

For instance, I could play Bach's Suite 1 in G Major (I've mentioned it here quite alot, look it up it's a great piece) in normal tempo (50bpm) with two fingers, but I get seriously confused while trying to play it with three, on 25bpm tempo!

Argh, annoying.

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untold
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:42 pm 
 

SCMugen - I have some tips for playing 1-2-3-2-1.
I had trouble with this for awhile, but theres a thing that really helped me out. Think about it as playing with your middle finger and then your index finger, and then your middle finger and ring finger. This may be a bit hard to understand, but it worked for me.

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InvokeTheDarkAge
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:23 pm 
 

Okay, so I have a Fender Rumble 15 bass amp, its okay for in house playing and practice but eventually im gunna want get something for the next level

any recommendations?

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DeathFog
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:59 am 
 

Hughes And Kettner - Bass Kick, not Bass Force, I actually doubt if they still produce them. Ampeg's BA 112 or 115 are also good and relatively inexpensive.
By the way I added some more recording to my homepage ( http://thehellpatrol.googlepages.com/ ). The stuff starting with Bass Jam #3 is the recently added one.
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Critical_Madness
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Joined: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:58 am
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Location: Canada
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:23 pm 
 

InvokeTheDarkAge wrote:
Okay, so I have a Fender Rumble 15 bass amp, its okay for in house playing and practice but eventually im gunna want get something for the next level

any recommendations?


Get a Peavey Basic 112 (about 95 watts) $400.

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crustcorestenchhead9
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:15 am 
 

i have been playing bass for about 2 years now and i can the play it well but i need to learn about music theory and song construction and i want a good book that will teach me this stuff. does anybody have any sudgestions on a bass book about that stuff that is leaning more towards metal. and i dont want the stuff to be too basic that i will have to go out and buy more books for a higher level of theory. any good books?

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grimreaper65
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:20 pm 
 

I've been trying to play some sort of trem-picked black metal stuff with my fingers and it's tough. I stumble when i skip from string to string. Does anybody know any excersices to help?

Thanks.

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soylent
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Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:06 pm
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:36 am 
 

Need a cheap, large bass amp.

I saw a Behringer 450 Watt Combo at Guitar Center for $235.00, but someone's probably already bought it since I last checked. If someone has, any suggestions on what I should get?

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Markoism
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Location: Serbia
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:22 pm 
 

I like fretless. Gives it a good sound, especially in epic metal ballads.

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Burzum36
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:36 pm 
 

Unearthly wrote:
Burzum36 wrote:
SCMugen wrote:
Get guitar pro


That game is addicting as hell.

LOL


I just read that.Now I'm wondering what kind of crack I was smoking.
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Satanic_Warmonger
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:16 am 
 

SCMugen wrote:
Bach's Suite 1 in G Major (I've mentioned it here quite alot, look it up it's a great piece)


i just got the guitar pro version, having been playing other stuff by bach and beethoven, classical stuff isnt really a good idea for 3 finger playing. 3 finger playing is in my opinion more for tremolo styled material.

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