The one you bought, the disc with the black background, looks the same as my copy, which was bought when the album was first released and is also a USA version.
It's this version: http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Ca ... ium/443898

Oh. Thanks, man.

I've just gone through every CD version of this album at Discogs and asked for more info and scans etc, lets see what happens...
Variation of colours between countries is pretty common, I just found a huge range in a 5 minute search, all claiming to be "first presses" aka originals, no doubt they are but it's a little confusing.

Inaccuracies like that irritate me but it's just part of it, you use http://www.musik-sammler.de/ a fair bit I suppose?
I have an account there but my German is very limited so it's extremely difficult to use that site.

I would not recommend to use musik-sammler.de as source of information as the data there is much worse than on discogs. Re-releases are often marked as firstpresses as people that are making entries there often have no clue what they are doing. So it is sometimes nice to verify an information but far away from being anythow really reliable.

Now this is a weird case. If a cd has no matrix or anything, it's got to be a bootleg right? I just got Rush - Permanent Waves in the mail and it lacks all of that stuff. Any opinions?

Never mind! I just looked at it MUCH more and in various lights and angles and I finally found it hidden in the plastic, but only from one angle. That was crazy.

You need one of these, this was my Granddad’s, it's really old.

I really do, I think you would be surprised at how faint the text is. I went bak to double check and had a problem finding it. CRAZY!

I absolutely would not be surprised mate ha ha I've seen probably every type of matrix there is and some of them are almost impossible to read even with a magnifying glass

Touche, now I'm curious, can a cd have no matrix and be legitimate?

Yes but it seems unlikely since most manufacturers would have to identify the disc and stamper etc also the band would probably want their name or something in there, the band could probably request it to be blank though.

I've seen a disc with literally this [below], it was a silver mastered/pressed disc but I'm not sure if it was legit or not, don't ask me what it was it was ages ago

Another one I've seen was just printed ascii 'blocks'

That's really hell on collectors then haha.

Hi to all, i´ve purchased on ebay to the seller "black-plastik" this cd: accept-russian roulette-new and sealed, look what i´ve found when open, what do you think? :

no ifpi codes, sid, matrix...

this is all the booklet!!! no pics, no lyrics, no info

Amazon print on demand discs look a lot like that, they are awful.

https://www.google.com/search?q=074644035421

yeah, looks like a CD-R as they have no matrix and sometimes have a surface color very similar to a factory-pressed CD. If the seller has not mentioned that it is a CD-R I would claim the item and ask for return and refund

This.


And this.

Just wanted to add that CD-Rs usually only have a press code on the inner plastic ring and nothing else.

what about this, maybe a bootleg/counterfeit?

Can you please submit that Accept album to Discogs, those scans are good enough and it doesn't seem to exist there.
It may be legit, can you tell us the listing number? it depends what it was sold as.
CD-r discs will often have 'matrix info' but it's generic and can be printed, pressed or *mastered [can be all 3]

http://www.discogs.com/help/database/submission-guidelines-release-format#CD_Matrix




*I need to find the correct terminology for this, it looks like a typical silver mastered disc so the term will do for now.

what about this cd, is a counterfeit/clone...?

To me that looks totally fine, but I haven't spent any time looking into it, just the appearance of it looks like it's legit.

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And who would want to bootleg that?!

I have bootleg Iron Maiden - Rock In Rio

Who needed to bootleg it? Chinese or Russians are strange people

Point taken!

Is True katatonia "dance of december souls" HELLION PRESS LP came several defective copies??? also happened the same case with MARDUK "Those of the unlight" OSMOSE FIRST PRESS LP???

can someone tell me information or if you also have a copy of the defective vinyl KATATONIA???

thanks anyway

Does anyone know if there was a Chinese-specific pressing of Wuthering Heights' To Travel for Evermore with the Jap bonus track? I ordered a copy from Amazon marketplace which was listed under the Japanese edition, and one with a Chinese-language obi came instead. I'm not saying I don't find it reasonable for them to have their own legitimate version for some reason, but naturally being China I want to double check. I can't find any clear info about it through Google either really; most of the results lead to the Korean version. I don't see any obvious label insignias on the obi or the visible parts of the CD case to check that way either. This is the clearest info I could find; it has the obi that mine has at least, but it mentions the Japanese label. Maybe they just printed a Chinese version too. http://entertainment.kmart.com/to-trave ... 8006802827
The vendor I bought it from insists that the people they're buying it from say that it's the Japanese version too, so it is at least a little curious.

I've not opened it yet because it came new; I just thought I'd ask here to see if anyone had a clearer answer.

These bootlegs are getting harder and harder to differentiate. The first one with the DIDX matrix is the easier one to differentiate because of the obvious difference in the crosshairs. On the other I had to pull my original to compare the font quality. In yours the font is more grainy, but in overall looks very similar (I had to use a magnifying glass to see the difference). Also, that Solstice Pray CD should have IFPI codes which I don't see on yours.

I recently bought Cro-Mags Best Wishes, but the matrix number is different than the one listed in Discogs. Mine is MADE BY DISCTRONICS (H) W.O. 11725-1 PCD1274. The matrix font is a little dubious when I compare it with other DISCTRONICS matrices I have from other CD's from around the same time. I will appreciate if someone with this CD and same matrix can post a close picture of the matrix number.

Never heared about that. My copy is of decent quality - and there are just 500, so it sounds like a rumour to me. Have seen a couple of copies - all have been the way they should.

Return it for a full refund, its not as advertised, if it's advertised as the Japanese version that's what you should get.
Amazon take false advertising quite seriously, it's a pet hate of mine too when I buy xxx and I get xxy instead

Right, immediately I think 'that doesn't look right' because that's not how Disctronics usually have their matrix layout, that looks like Disc Mfg / Disctronics and if you say the font looks a bit off I'd be highly suspicious.
Can we get a photo or scan of yours?

http://www.discogs.com/label/332658-Disc-Manufacturing-Inc
http://www.discogs.com/label/489528-Disctronics-H

This album came out in 1989 so it's possible they kept part of the old name...
Where did it come from?



http://www.discogs.com/Cro-Mags-Best-Wishes/release/459159

Yeah that's the right image, and okay then, it's good to get reinforcement that that's what I should do
So are you saying I should report it to Amazon as well or would just leaving appropriate feedback be enough?

Firstly tell the seller you are not happy and that you believed you were getting the Japanese version as advertised, see what they say.
Definitely tell Amazon but you can expect an automated response, the seller will likely get one too...
See what the seller does before placing feedback, if they refund you and 'make good' then leave feedback that SAYS THIS, just because everyone is selling the other version but advertising it as Japanese doesn't make it ok.

Also if you can [I know it's sealed] add it to Discogs

We did send a response asking if they had the Japanese version, and they said that they're only getting Japanese versions according to the people they're getting it from. I suppose this is the time to get the relevant images and show them what's happening. Probably why it was so cheap compared to usual Jap versions. I've returned something to them before and it went smoothly at least. And yeah if things do go smoothly then I would say that, don't worry

And very well, I'll add as much as I can.

You could always ask them if they would mind if you opened it to inspect the disc, no harm asking, then you can scan everything and upload all the info with matrix data etc to Discogs
I think that's very slack of them to not check before advertising/selling them, they are just trying to get away with it

What did you return last time and why? they may do this a lot and need a good boot up the arse to sort them out.

Considering I don't have much experience with this kind of stuff I'd just like to keep things simple for now. The listing is up at least. I've managed to glean more information than it first seemed from the packaging too, like barcode info and finally a label name and stuff.
Yeah, who knows.

What I returned last time seemed to be entirely my fault not helped by Amazon listings not being very explicit; there seem to be two common issues of Dark Moor's Gates of Oblivion and I picked the cheaper one and didn't think to check the label listed (though to be fair that usually just says "import" which is very helpful) and it happened to be a digipak version from "End of the Light" with two bonus tracks that I didn't want (one was Flying from their debut...) and the labels in the listings agreed. Though I was even less experienced then so didn't even think to add it to Discogs unfortunately.

What about this release of Nightwish-wishmaster, please take a look the the SPINEFARM logo is very weird...

You reckon? I'd say if that's a bootleg it's masterfully done
It looks like you may have this version [see the images] http://www.discogs.com/Nightwish-Wishmaster/release/3986149

That release at discogs.com is under revision because of the "weird" Spinefarm logo and the printing of the cd itself...

"it was bought in Russia long time ago"

I agree, the logo does look weird, but it's not necessarily a bootleg.
The matrix font looks correct, the booklet has no fold in it? that's odd.
Has anyone emailed the band or label etc have a poke around on Ebay and see what shows up
A missing mould SID code doesn't mean it's a fake either...