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drobowik
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:32 am 
 

Nope, typically they never care.
They only remove restricted cd's like Scorpions - Virgin Killer first, very stupid IMHO.

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Bloodcult
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:55 pm 
 

here's a detail photo of "Darkness Descends" bootleg: http://images64.fotosik.pl/1060/3cace0e832e37908.jpg

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:57 pm 
 

Uh. Why would you use an old thread when this one is stickied :( viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92986
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:54 am 
 

I have question about 2 items i have bought recently

1. Trelldom - Til Evighet ... / HNF
there are bunch of reissues from Head Not Found, but mine have strange matrix - XXX001 and something similar to barcode, and 4 pages booklet with poor printing and text of only 2 songs

2. Carbonized - Disharmonization / Pavement
this looks more legit to me, only matrix is missed on discogs, so i would like to check it with somebody who owns this issue
matrix on my CD is (mirrored) 76962322022 DISC MFG, INC (H2) W.O. 31481-1V
no ifpi

Any thoughts about this CDs?

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:52 pm 
 

Pictures would help more.

According to description Trelldom don't look legit to me.

Carbonized could be legit, but I need to see the matrix font.

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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:15 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
Pictures would help more.
Carbonized could be legit, but I need to see the matrix font.


Here you go

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:42 pm 
 

And the Trelldom ?
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:59 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
And the Trelldom ?


Ups, sorry

This is Trelldom

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:07 am 
 

Does that mould sid code say IFPI ACK20 ?!
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:37 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Does that mould sid code say IFPI ACK20 ?!


Yes, Sir!

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:18 am 
 

Carbonized looks legit.

Trelldom don't look legit to me.
In case of first CD on HNF I could accept it, that they manufactured it on some unknown little plant.
But in case of 16th release, as cat# is HNF16 I don't very believe that.

I have seen quite strange matrix codes, but all of them are belongs to unknown self-released CDs in early days.

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josephcbrace
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:35 pm 
 

Spoiler: show
Recently I came across your blog and read along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I do not know what to say except that I liked reading. Nice blog.
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spam, got a warning for this post

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:48 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
Carbonized looks legit.

Trelldom don't look legit to me.
In case of first CD on HNF I could accept it, that they manufactured it on some unknown little plant.
But in case of 16th release, as cat# is HNF16 I don't very believe that.

I have seen quite strange matrix codes, but all of them are belongs to unknown self-released CDs in early days.

Yeah I agree, it looks pretty suspect: wrong font, generic text and unless it's been resurfaced or kept in a dust proof airtight room in far too good condition for its age.

It needs to be added to Discogs as an unofficial release though so there's a record of its existence.
There's an unofficial LP version of this album: http://www.discogs.com/Trelldom-Til-Evighet/release/4589953

This album doesn't appear to be very hard to find or valuable...

That mould sid code points to Russia
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:19 pm 
 

Down - Diary Of A Mad Band: Europe In The Year Of VI

Does this come with a booklet do you guys know? :scratch:
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:53 am 
 

Need help with Solstice CDs i just got.

1. Solstice / Solstice - Century Media US press, no ipfi, but font on matrix is different than on discogs foto (look to 5 in the end), booklet is only 4 pages

here are fotos
Spoiler: show
matrix
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matrix from discogs
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booklet
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2. Solstice / Pray
CD looks different that on discogs, here are fotos as well
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matrix
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CD
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CD from discogs
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What do you think about it?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:43 am 
 

The Sonopress one looks ok but the other one looks very wrong, it may be inverted [like that dodgy Immolation CD I got] the star things look wrong too
Where did you buy it from?
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:57 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
The Sonopress one looks ok but the other one looks very wrong, it may be inverted [like that dodgy Immolation CD I got] the star things look wrong too
Where did you buy it from?


Got both on discogs from http://www.discogs.com/seller/apexmusic, for about 50 usd total

As to first CD - looks like both matrix inverted, on discogs foto and on mine. "Pray" - there are difference on CD printing as well, around central hole.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:05 am 
 

Did you not read his feedback first?

http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/apexmusic?show=Negative
bootleg seller from Belarus
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Recordcollector
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:22 am 
 

Both looks fake to me

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:24 am 
 

That Sonopress one is a bit more subtle, given the guy is a known bootleg seller I wouldn't trust it.
I'd be reporting him to Discogs and making a Paypal claim against him too.
He likely has an Ebay account...
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:28 am 
 

I just reported him at Discogs now.
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Recordcollector
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:38 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I just reported him at Discogs now.


good

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~Guest 82538
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:07 am 
 

Recordcollector wrote:
Both looks fake to me

Agreed. The font on the SONOPRESS one is also sketchy, too grainy.

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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:19 am 
 

Thanks for help! Will contact with him now.

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TheDarkHarvest
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:52 am 
 

God damn, I would have missed both of those. I would have thought they were good, but comparing them to the real deal it's noticeable. good boots XD
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:06 pm 
 

apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:49 am 
 

Shrinebuilder CD matrix, what do you guys have?
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Shrinebuilder/Shrinebuilder/253141
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:45 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247


So this topic works well in eliminating those who sells bootlegs! Cool!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:34 pm 
 

AcidMind wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247


So this topic works well in eliminating those who sells bootlegs! Cool!
I'll speak for myself, but yes!
You're not a member of our group? http://www.discogs.com/groups/6406
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:26 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
You're not a member of our group? http://www.discogs.com/groups/6406


I was not, but joined 5 min ago

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dreadmeat
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Any Diocletian - Doom Cult bootlegs around?
I have a different CD version here :scratch:
http://www.discogs.com/Diocletian-Doom-Cult/release/5892568

Matrix: IP003 8A03102-CD IFPI LT002
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LT002
Mould SID Code: IFPI TAR98

scan
http://t.co/jOm2VRykAG

this is the other version I have
Matrix / Runout: http://www.mobineko.com (A16983K049 3015131) 9380A1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR48
Mould SID Code: IFPI 9W11
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:31 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Any Diocletian - Doom Cult bootlegs around?
Matrix / Runout: http://www.mobineko.com (A16983K049 3015131) 9380A1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR48
Mould SID Code: IFPI 9W11


I have the same, bought it in March'2014 from russian distro, rest CDs from those purchase was legit. Probably a reissue?

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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:02 am 
 

A couple of years ago I got what I assume to be the original European pressing of Asphyx's Last One on Earth for fairy cheap. I'm basing my assumption as to its legitimacy on this Discogs listing: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=598888, which is supposed to be the original European press. Now, my CD looks exactly the same, with the matrix font (spacing between characters & the characters themselves) being exactly spot on.

What I'd like to know is whether this listing truly is legitimate. And, my matrix is positioned slightly differently from the one on discogs in regards to the printed album art (as if it was just slightly moved in a clockwise direction along the circular "matrix space"; like I said, otherwise it looks completely the same). Should this be an issue? I think I read a couple of pages ago that matrix orientation (I think you guys call it as such) can differ between CDs actually pressed at the same plant. Can anyone confirm this?

EDIT: Yeah, the "moved matrix" that I'm talking about is re-positioned in the same way the Spiritual Healing matrix you discussed a couple of pages (page 27) back was. So, this shouldn't be an issue. Right?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:37 am 
 

Nope. Matrix orientation has nothing to do with bootlegging. If you found out that it had different spacing in the matrix then yeah, but the clockwise position is a non-issue. ;)

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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:52 am 
 

Ha, thanks. Yeah, the matrix itself looks exactly like the one on Discogs. Guess I'm lucky, since it was a blind purchase.

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:09 pm 
 

That Dureco matrix on discogs looks 100% legit.

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I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:29 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?

Well... duh Dread! :D

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Daemonlord
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:56 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?


Haha, yes - the Under One Flag stuff is notorious for boots pretty much throughout at least - not sure about Combat but likely the same. Metal Mind, probably not.

Legit font UOF style (you can just about make it out if you click & zoom) -
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Bootleg font -
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Hmmmmm there are some fairly cheap copies on Discogs :scratch:
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