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japc
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:31 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
There's a reason why old Noise Records albums from the eighties that were never reissued are rare. It's because they were never reissued!


My point is that maybe they were. According to discogs Noise Records existed until 2001, then became part of Sanctuary until 2007 and has since been assimilated by Universal Music. I doubt that the later 2 would simply repress the albums without much fanfare but 2001 is not that far and Noise itself could have done the represses, it's not that they where obscure releases that didn't deserve a repress after all.

But I guess that if you say that they weren't repressed/reissued then you must have discussed that thorougly on that other thread (can you send me the link to it?).

EDIT: posted this before seing your reply with the backcover scans. So those are Sanctuary reissues, nice, added to my to buy list.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:10 pm 
 

Compare that tray scan with these two, the 2003 and 2007 Sanctuary reissues. Do you notice the difference? ;)

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=4954583
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3800837

I know for a fact that Noise did a repress batch of some titles in 1999, though I have no idea if all titles got that treatment. Probably not since by then they should've been nearly bankrupt as they were two years later. There are some reissues dating from 2003 with the Noise/Sanctuary stamp and again in 2007. But it's all a fucking mess to be honest! And as we've discussed thoroughly in the past, several times, there's so much "fragmentation" (to use a term from the smartphone industry) in those presses that it's really hard to say what you're buying. Even when you get it with Noise/Sanctuary stamp you still don't know what you're getting, case in point the purchases displayed above.

I don't know man, I've been trying to get a legit copy of PFD for ages now and somehow Amazon/Ebay always have metric fuckton of "legit" editions, yet no seller will be able to tell you where they come from or which year they were pressed. And then, as you say, Sanctuary bought Noise and was then bought by Universal. Come on, not even the guys in the band know about these reissues, how could we?!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:47 pm 
 

Big_Grand wrote:
Does it not show for you?
No, but the image is in your cache which is why you can see it.

DeathfareDevil
This image looks fine, it's just a modern repress or reissue, I asked for more info on the 3 releases you linked to too [feel free to do this yourself by the way]
At least they aren't Amazon's vomitous made on demand hideous CDr discs :puke:
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Those rear covers are quite different :p
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:32 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Those rear covers are quite different :p

Different reissues usually are.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:58 am 
 

DeathfareDevil:
your cds are pressed by a legit plant, I have a cd from the same plant (Ruffians-There and Back): same font, same inner ring, even the same ifpi (L327)and it starts with DIDX!! The only difference is that I also have the name of the plant in the matrix: "CRAVEDOG.COM".
Anyway, I checked my original noise copy of PFD and I did not find anything strange in the track you mentioned...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:16 pm 
 

Unless I'm losing my mind, always a possibility, the four different YT vids of "Skeletons..." had that subtle volume drop at around 4:30. My copy of Rotting Christ's "Thy Mighty Contract" does this too in one song, I forget which, and it's way less subtle. Oh well, whatever the case, no biggie, and thanks for doing a comparison check.

Also, I submitted some of this stuff to discogs. Hopefully I edited the right reissues.

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I read some discussions above on DIDX matrices. Note that these are used by Sony pressing plants. The good thing about DIDX matrices is that they follow a strict sequence, so if you have other releases with DIDX codes from known pressing years you can interpolate and deterrmine the pressing year if you dont know it. As an example the DIDX-256337 in question, if it is accompanied by an IFPI code we can say at least it is from 1994.

I sorted my CD collection database for matrix number and found the following:

Exodus - Exhibit B: The Human Condition, DIDX-255338, pressed in 2010
Bonded by Blood - Exiled to Earth, DIDX-256619, pressed in 2010

DIDX-256337 is right between these 2, so it was definitely pressed in 2010.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:31 pm 
 

Forgive if these questions have already been addressed, but I don't feel like reading through a 22 page thread.

I found a couple rare CDs I want on ebay for decent prices. There is no way in HELL I'd be able to get the real thing on either one of them. In the past I've seen several bootlegs from Greek sellers usually over $20. Now I have found a Ukrainian seller selling them for $8.40 each. So my question is, how much more shitty are Russian bootlegs than other European bootlegs? Would it be worth it? Oh by the way, it's $8.40 OR BEST OFFER, so that's something to consider.

I found another CD, I don't know how rare it is, but it is 99 cents. It's sold by a Greek seller. The band is Greek, and the record label the original was printed on is Greek. So how likely are Greek sellers to bootleg CDs by Greek bands on Greek labels?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:56 pm 
 

The Greek thing I'd say is unlikely, but you never know...
Please don't buy bootlegs, you're only encouraging them, the 'licensed' stuff isn't exactly a bootleg though if that's what you mean?

Can we get some links and band/album names?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:25 pm 
 

It would be easier if you said which albums they are. No one is going to "steal" them from you. :p

Interesting stuff that thing about the chronology of the DIDX matrices.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:12 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Can we get some links and band/album names?


Ok.

Greek seller: Marauder - Life?

Ukrainian seller: Heavy Load - Death Or Glory & Stronger Than Evil

I hope androdion is right about no one "stealing" these from me. :-P

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:39 pm 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
I read some discussions above on DIDX matrices. Note that these are used by Sony pressing plants. The good thing about DIDX matrices is that they follow a strict sequence, so if you have other releases with DIDX codes from known pressing years you can interpolate and deterrmine the pressing year if you dont know it. As an example the DIDX-256337 in question, if it is accompanied by an IFPI code we can say at least it is from 1994.

I sorted my CD collection database for matrix number and found the following:

Exodus - Exhibit B: The Human Condition, DIDX-255338, pressed in 2010
Bonded by Blood - Exiled to Earth, DIDX-256619, pressed in 2010

DIDX-256337 is right between these 2, so it was definitely pressed in 2010.

Hope this helps


Yeah, thanks for this, it's both interesting and helpful. Reading superficially into a quick google search or two, I'm already finding lots of further chatter about it. I also have realized I've been incorrectly labeling a mastering code as a mould code. Oops. I should probably hold off on my discogs submissions until I get more educated about all of this.

Another thing, on this page it is said, in reference to the single digit after the 6 digit DIDX code, that "The following number shows how many times the recording has been mastered. It is then fair to assume that Smells Like Teen Spirit CDs with the matrix code 'DIDX-011334 3' also exist. [Examples given had a 1, 2, and 4.] The number may or may not give the pressing number. Several metalized glass masters (MGM) could have been created simultaneously for quicker processing and production, but a low number increases the possiblilty of being an earlier pressing."

My Coroner has a "1" and each Voivod has a "2". How does that figure into the discogs entries? I can't imagine having an entry for each variation, likewise I don't see how to include that number in any meaningful way.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:11 pm 
 

DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
Can we get some links and band/album names?


Ok.

Greek seller: Marauder - Life?

Ukrainian seller: Heavy Load - Death Or Glory & Stronger Than Evil

I hope androdion is right about no one "stealing" these from me. :-P

Now that you mention that, me too... :oh shit:

Why would you think that Marauder is rare? Doesn't seem to be from checking Discogs and finding innumerous copies for sale, dirt cheap. As for the Heavy Load CDs, I think I've read somewhere in the boards that there aren't any official CD releases and that all those that exist are unofficial to some extent. I remember reading it but I can't recall where, maybe ask about it in the Heavy/Power/Speed rec thread? Those guys should know about it. ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:20 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
Ok.

Greek seller: Marauder - Life?

Ukrainian seller: Heavy Load - Death Or Glory & Stronger Than Evil

I hope androdion is right about no one "stealing" these from me. :-P

Now that you mention that, me too... :oh shit:

Why would you think that Marauder is rare? Doesn't seem to be from checking Discogs and finding innumerous copies for sale, dirt cheap. As for the Heavy Load CDs, I think I've read somewhere in the boards that there aren't any official CD releases and that all those that exist are unofficial to some extent. I remember reading it but I can't recall where, maybe ask about it in the Heavy/Power/Speed rec thread? Those guys should know about it. ;)


I have no idea if Marauder is rare or not, it's just Greece has a reputation of having a lot of bootlegs. Add to that the low price, so I'm not sure.

From what I understand of Heavy Load, there is one official release of their two 80s albums, on the Japanese label King, done in 1996 I think. These are super rare. But I have already resigned to having to buy bootlegs if I want physical copies. My question is, would Russian bootlegs be of significantly lesser quality than other European bootlegs.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:28 pm 
 

That Greek seller has 3 negative feedbacks for bootlegs...
And the Ukrainian has 2 negatives for bootlegs
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:31 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
That Greek seller has 3 negative feedbacks for bootlegs...
And the Ukrainian has 2 negatives for bootlegs


Well for the Greek seller I was wondering if it would just be easier, or at least doable, to sell real copies of a Greek band on a Greek label, even if he sells bootlegs for bands/labels from other countries.

As for the Ukrainian seller, I was already aware they are bootlegs, I just want to know if Russian bootlegs are significantly less quality than other European bootlegs. There is no way in hell I would ever score the real copies of the Heavy Load CDs.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:28 pm 
 

I don't think Marauder is a boot because there would be no sense in it being so. As you said, Greek band in a Greek label. Plus, not all Greek sellers sell bootlegs you know?! ;)

As for the quality of the Heavy Load boots, I'd say ask in the Rec thread I mentioned. Someone must have bought them before.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:25 pm 
 

Well both Heavy Loads have been bought by someone else. I get the feeling me posting the links here has something to do with that, lol.

I'll keep my eye on Marauder.

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I have the same artwork and barcode etc but the matrix runout is Mastered by mayking & mosh 13 cd (mirrored), do I have the "same" pressing or is it just not listed on discogs?

http://www.discogs.com/Bolt-Thrower-Rea ... ase/644031

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Mayking and MPO are different [plants]
Mayking is usually US and MPO is usually EUR ["usually"] :roll:

I have this version of Realm Of Chaos by the way
http://www.discogs.com/Bolt-Thrower-Realm-Of-Chaos-Slaves-To-Darkness/release/4317889
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:07 pm 
 

Regarding the Marauder CD, it is an original. I don't think anyone would bother making a bootleg of this very little known release. Hardly any point.

I suspect that the seller is a very respectable member of the Greek Metal community, but I am not sure, so I am not dropping any names. As for those negative feedbacks he had received, most of them were about releases that have never been officially available in CD format (Moonblood), or about compilations that the fans are well aware that they are unofficial. Well, yes the China CD was actually a bootleg, so there is a stinker over there.

However, as it was already mentioned, not all Greek sellers sell bootlegs.

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I just got this Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion CD
I had to add it to Discogs because the seller had it listed as an original when it's far from it, initially I thought it was a repress but I found spelling mistakes and now an 'audio defect' I have grave doubts about its authenticity
At 04:48 of track 10 Necromantical Screams there is some hideous audio defect, I ripped the track and took a look at it in Audacity, sure enough there's a chunk of music missing...

Maldoror Musikverlag is misspelled Madoror Musikverlag in the booklet
Track 10 Necromantical Screams is misspelled Necromentical Screams on the rear cover and the disc but is spelled correctly in the booklet
The lyrics for each track are not sequential in the booklet

Soundcloud won't let me upload the file there grrr
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just bought Sadus - Swallowed In Black, reissue by Displeased records, got it for under 20 euro's, can anyone give me some more info on this cd? was it a smart buy or stupid buy? Seems that there aren't many people selling any versions of this online, and definitely not the original version.... hmmm... Should i consider myself happy with this re-issue even if it's out of print???? thx
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:57 pm 
 

As far as I know it's the same reissue as the Metal Mind version, only under a different banner. You're alright with it, although it might sound a bit loud. But then again most remastered reissues do.
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Machine_Dead wrote:
Should i consider myself happy with this re-issue even if it's out of print???? thx
WELCOME BROTHER! ha ha ha :beer: :-D
I get the same feeling when a reissue goes out of print and is pretty much as hard to get as the original
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Machine_Dead wrote:
just bought Sadus - Swallowed In Black, reissue by Displeased records, got it for under 20 euro's, can anyone give me some more info on this cd? was it a smart buy or stupid buy? Seems that there aren't many people selling any versions of this online, and definitely not the original version.... hmmm... Should i consider myself happy with this re-issue even if it's out of print???? thx


Considering you get the firstpress pretty often for less than 15 Euro I wouldn't say paying a higher price for a re-issue a smart buy.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/121204221289
http://www.ebay.de/itm/301021511911
http://www.ebay.de/itm/171196591647

And these are Ebay prices, in metal forums and local websites prices are even better.
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Dreadmeat,

This is a legit repress of To Mega Therion by Noise records, but made after 1994 since it has IFPI codes. I have owned two of these and both had that screeching noise in the last track. So it was a pressing defect. If you can find the earlier repress from around 1989, it does not has that error.





dreadmeat wrote:
I just got this Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion CD
I had to add it to Discogs because the seller had it listed as an original when it's far from it, initially I thought it was a repress but I found spelling mistakes and now an 'audio defect' I have grave doubts about its authenticity
At 04:48 of track 10 Necromantical Screams there is some hideous audio defect, I ripped the track and took a look at it in Audacity, sure enough there's a chunk of music missing...

Maldoror Musikverlag is misspelled Madoror Musikverlag in the booklet
Track 10 Necromantical Screams is misspelled Necromentical Screams on the rear cover and the disc but is spelled correctly in the booklet
The lyrics for each track are not sequential in the booklet

Soundcloud won't let me upload the file there grrr
http://filedump.org/files/4o7E1If1388234623.html

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carnival_corpse wrote:
Dreadmeat,

This is a legit repress of To Mega Therion by Noise records, but made after 1994 since it has IFPI codes. I have owned two of these and both had that screeching noise in the last track. So it was a pressing defect. If you can find the earlier repress from around 1989, it does not has that error.

Yes, my copy also has that glitch. I would guess it's the same dreadmeat posted but will have to check that out.
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Ok cool I'm glad that it's legit but still annoyed that he sold me a CD that wasn't what I ordered [an original]
I'll update the notes of that release and I think the format should be misspress too.
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I have the 2006 reissue and it doesn't feature that (horrible) sound defect. Sorry for the late reply, been a bit busy lately. The sound on my reissue is also a lot louder, so I'd say that the one you got wasn't remastered.
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Yeah my other version is also remastered [with an extra track too] and has no defect and it is louder, doesn't sound as good :roll:
I'm not sure which version I have either actually, nobody has responded to my question

http://www.discogs.com/release/2147630

Matrix: DIDX-233731 1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L328
Mould SID Code: IFPI 0391
Mould Stamp: MADE IN USA

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http://www.discogs.com/release/5236718
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Does anyone have any info on the cassette version of Perversor's "Demon Metal"?
I own it and want to add the release to discogs, but there's hardly any info to work with. No year, label, anything, and no mention of it anywhere on the internet.
It's cover is identical to the CD version except with a white band logo and writing instead of red.
I'll add it regardless but it's going to be a dud of an entry.
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What label is it on?
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'Demon Metal' is on Hell's Headbangers. Absolutely no indication of a label on the cassette version, though. Maybe self-released?
I'd upload a photo but I don't have a camera handy. The j-card only has some artwork, tracklist and artist names.
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InCoffin Productions release a lot of tapes
http://www.discogs.com/label/171189-InCoffin-Productions
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Man your Google skills suck :p

http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... c24#341818
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:08 pm 
 

Hmm, I do recall running into that thread but I didn't research any further. You got me!
So according to the MA label page "Follows the Hells Headbangers model very closely." Makes sense.
I'm going to guess year of release is 2011 then, judging by the thread.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:20 pm 
 

Ok cool, when you add it can you put a comment in here?
http://www.discogs.com/artist/1262828-Perversor
Maybe give that thread over at NWN! a bump if you need more info too :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:46 am 
 

Are these DFA We Have Arrived reissues with original cover put out by Big Rig and Dark Realm legit?

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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:30 pm 
 

Dreadmeat,
Your To Mega Therion CD is a recent re-press from around 2008-2009. I interpolated this DIDX-233731 between some in my collection:

Enslaved - Vertebrae
DIDX-144950 1 IFPI L329 1OA IFPI 50D4
Pressed in 2008

Vader - Necropolis
DIDX-235180 1 IFPI L327 IFPI 7241
Pressed in 2009

Yours lie between those 2 , so it was pressed most closer to 2009 than 2008.


dreadmeat wrote:
Yeah my other version is also remastered [with an extra track too] and has no defect and it is louder, doesn't sound as good :roll:
I'm not sure which version I have either actually, nobody has responded to my question

http://www.discogs.com/release/2147630

Matrix: DIDX-233731 1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L328
Mould SID Code: IFPI 0391
Mould Stamp: MADE IN USA

EDIT: added
http://www.discogs.com/release/5236718

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