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androdion
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:52 pm 
 

Psychogrotesque wrote:
The other day I was watching Heavy Metal 2000 and enjoying myself... yeah, that's right! Anyway, I came to a scene where a horde of lizard-men were marching to war accompanied by a jaunty, little industrial tune I found catchy. At first I thought it was some long lost number from Bile but after checking the credits I found it was by a band called Sons Of Domination and the track was entitled "Hate Me". All I can find out is that the group was formed by Gus Chambers and is attached to Paul Raven in some way. All of the articles (if you can call them that) are very vague and only mention this band in passing. Anybody know if they ever released an album or where I can track down the mp3 for "Hate Me"? Horns up.

And you're asking for this in the bootleg thread because... ? :scratch:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:43 am 
 

dirklerxst wrote:
Label is Heavy Artillery based out of Brooklyn, NY. HA5-5012-2-4 is the Cat no. ATOZ looks like A to Z Media based out of Broadway, NY. LM07 points to L & M Optical Disc in Brooklyn. Looks like the "first pressing" on discogs was manufactured by Icon Omnimedia in NY. Wonder which one is a true first press? Either way it is up on eBay starting at 99 cents, I'm not a big Vektor guy nor a CD collector in general. http://www.ebay.com/itm/261345604612?ss ... 1555.l2649


I believe I have a first pressing of Black Future that I got from someone who got it from the band a few years ago. My CD looks like the one on discogs, however I lost the case so I cannot match anything else up, I sent a message to the person I got it from ill let you know if i get a response. And holy crap why is that CD going for so much, its sickening seeing an album that was released 4 years ago, with lots of different pressings going for over $20, if its not the flippers it is some idiot collectors driving the prices up, really stupid stuff. After thinking about it you probably have the real first press, I doubt anyone would pay around 30 bucks unless they knew it was the first press for sure. Anyway, if anyone is interested in the CD only (of the 1st press according to discogs), let me know it is for sale.


I have a question, and didnt want to start a new thread. For the Faustcoven - The Priest's Command CD, the MA page says the following; "Includes foldout interview and big artwork." Just making sure that there is only ONE foldout that just has an interview on it (with some art, however not the front coverart). Im fairly sure there was just one foldout paper (with an interview) inserted in the CD. Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:54 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Ok dudes, I need your beady eyes on this, which version is older?

Revenge ‎– Attack.Blood.Revenge
According to our page here they grey background band logo is older [the original]

Could you guys take a look at both of them, including the scans, and give me your opinion?
Also there is quote possibly a dodgy Greek bootleg with different artwork/cover/logo but the same matrix

I have one of each of these
http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/852992
http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/4843220

This is the suspect one and yes it needs scans but I don't have it
http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/5046619


Ok everybody relax, I got it sussed over at NWN! :grin:
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41165
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:36 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:

Ok everybody relax, I got it sussed over at NWN! :grin:
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41165


ha, thats where I would definitely go for any information Revenge related, those guys really worship that stuff over there.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:04 pm 
 

Okay - some questions towards the more heavy metal oriented among you fellows:

1. Does anyone know who to distinguish the japanese edition of Marshall Law's "Marshall Law" (on Teichiku) from the recent bootleg? Both come with an obi so that is no indication.
2. What is the status of the Wild Dogs re-releases on Northwind Records? Northwind was a legal label (releasing stuff like Tefra and Thunderstorm) but I heard doubts about the legality of those reissues.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:13 pm 
 

I usually check this website but sadly they only have the bootleg info on the other album. It still needs updating.

I know that I've browsed a website once that had a lot of information regarding Japanese editions, mainly dealt with those gold disc 24-bit reissues that are also bootlegged apparently. Thing is, I can't remind myself what was the actual website. I know it had something to do with "mini lp" CDs and all that because I was checking for info about the Devil Doll box set at the time, the one with all five albums in golden discs limited to 100 or something like that. If anyone knows the name/link of that website it might prove a worthy shot.

Come to think of it I think there was an Ebay user selling that same box that had the website listed under his profile, for people to check out differences and give them reassurance as to buy those boxes he was selling. Do some checking up on Ebay if you're up to it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:52 pm 
 

Is anyone here familiar with Aaarrg Records? I'd be interested in seeing what genuine, original CD copies of Holy Moses's Finished with the Dogs and especially Target's Master Project Genesis look like if anyone has them. Countless bootlegs of these extremely rare and valuable albums have mucked about with the market, and I honestly can hardly tell them apart anymore. The latter is in my top 5 most wanted CDs, as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:00 pm 
 

Metal_Detector wrote:
Is anyone here familiar with Aaarrg Records? I'd be interested in seeing what genuine, original CD copies of Holy Moses's Finished with the Dogs and especially Target's Master Project Genesis look like if anyone has them. Countless bootlegs of these extremely rare and valuable albums have mucked about with the market, and I honestly can hardly tell them apart anymore. The latter is in my top 5 most wanted CDs, as well.

Regarding that Target album: http://heavymetalcd.com/Top_Rare_Metal_CDs.html

Scroll down a bit and you'll find the info you're searching for. Aaarrg first presses are usually very rare, but I'm under the impression that most were reissued in the post-2000 years. At least I know that the Mekong Delta CDs were reissued, and those are very easy to spot actually. Compare the following.

Original: http://www.discogs.com/Mekong-Delta-The ... ter/323167
Reissues: http://www.discogs.com/Mekong-Delta-The ... se/2759436 and http://www.discogs.com/Mekong-Delta-The ... se/3592348
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:07 pm 
 

I think they were more willing to reissue the Mekong Delta albums because the label belonged to one of the band members. Mekong Delta CDs are also about the only thing on the label not to be extremely rare these days, which leads me to believe that only their albums were reissued in the post-2000s (although everything has been bootlegged, of course).

Thank you for the information on the Target CD. It should be fairly easy to spot a real one now. Hopefully a better bootleg hasn't been made since that was written. Damn these bootlegging bastards :P

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:13 pm 
 

There's another good website for catching up bootlegs: http://www.metal-treasures.com/

Down on the right frame you'll notice a link to a bootleg sections, and it's very extensive!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:18 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
There's another good website for catching up bootlegs: http://www.metal-treasures.com/

Down on the right frame you'll notice a link to a bootleg sections, and it's very extensive!


Ah, yes, I totally forgot about this place. This will be an excellent resource, especially to keep up with the numerous bootlegs plaguing Deception Ignored.

I do find it hilarious what the bootleggers mess up, though. To go through all the trouble of getting the matrix number and the look of the overall package correct and then misspell a random word on the CD... :durr: I get that they probably don't speak English and all, but wow. Though in this case, I suppose I'm grateful for their incompetence.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:33 pm 
 

Let's hope they keep fucking up right?! Nowadays distinguishing a Noise Records boot is virtually impossible... :(

Why the need for a first press of Deception Ignored when you have the Divebomb reissue? First press syndrome?! :p
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:36 pm 
 

Does anyone know why I have a cdr version of this bootleg?

The cover (1 page, btw) and tray inlay are professionally pressed, but the disc is a cdr with a photocopied sticker .. it is a reversed version of the pro-disc version (white with black type).

Is this just junk or did the bootlegger print too many covers/tray inlays?

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:44 pm 
 

There are tons of odd bootlegs of these two because they were never officially re-released. Is there any label name on it?

Most CD-r bootlegs are junk anyway.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:48 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
Let's hope they keep fucking up right?! Nowadays distinguishing a Noise Records boot is virtually impossible... :(

Why the need for a first press of Deception Ignored when you have the Divebomb reissue? First press syndrome?! :p


Haha, well, I make special exceptions for my absolute favorite albums. I bought what I believe to be an original for forty-five dollars a few days ago and will study it well when it arrives. I love Divebomb's reissues, though, so they're not the problem. I do have a bit of the original copy bug.

Noise Records CDs are pretty much indistinguishable from their bootlegs, sadly, so I usually try to pick up a copy of one of their colored CD runs if one is available and there's no safe alternative (a yellowish one for Brain Damage, a blue one for Deception Ignored, etc.). I believe these are more difficult to bootleg, and if they are, they're usually easier to tell apart. Also, I just like the look and feel of them :-D

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:22 pm 
 

Ha, you're quite right there. It's usually the European editions that get bootlegged more, mainly silver printed discs with black letters which are quite easy to replicate. US versions, like that blue printed copy of Deception Ignored (they have this unique matrix type: WK*****), are much harder to replicate. In fact I don't think they usually try. So yeah, that's a good call right there. :nods:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:17 pm 
 

CollectionDecimation can we see some scans or photos?

androdion wrote:
First press syndrome
HELP ME I'M SICK! :cry:
I think some of you guys have issues too ha ha :tinfoil:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:45 pm 
 

Now now, do I need to start a trademark war over that term?! :guns:
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:51 am 
 

HA! you sure do :grin:

So Intronaut's Void is a CDR right guys?
Pro printed but still just a CDR
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:37 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
HA! you sure do :grin:

So Intronaut's Void is a CDR right guys?
Pro printed but still just a CDR

Mine is silver pressed but there does seem to be a cdr version on discogs.
http://www.discogs.com/Intronaut-Void/release/952929
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:46 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
scans of my Intronaut - Void disc, if anyone could compare theirs would be helpful
catalogue number - GFR042
barcode - 621617104228
matrix - KJRY [logo] CDR UG 80E I441603
printed - 5P80 1-2-1 0811010635-54

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can anyone confirm this info?
I just found someone who has a non CDR version of it?!
http://www.discogs.com/release/952929

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Intronaut/Void/124141
http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/96507
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:50 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
So Intronaut's Void is a CDR right guys?
Pro printed but still just a CDR
slayerhatesusall wrote:
Mine is silver pressed but there does seem to be a cdr version on discogs.
http://www.discogs.com/Intronaut-Void/release/952929

Hey, thanks man, is that you at Discogs?
Is your version there?
That version you linked to is what I have.
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dreadmeat wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
So Intronaut's Void is a CDR right guys?
Pro printed but still just a CDR
slayerhatesusall wrote:
Mine is silver pressed but there does seem to be a cdr version on discogs.
http://www.discogs.com/Intronaut-Void/release/952929

Hey, thanks man, is that you at Discogs?
Is your version there?
That version you linked to is what I have.


My discogs username is the same as it is here. My version is this one:
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=5187509
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:35 pm 
 

So I've noticed that the Two Hunters CD I had for over a year now had a different cover than what comes up when I google the album. My first thoughts were that I was missing a whole page to the booklet, then I came across this discogs entry with the same cover,saying it was a misprint, limited to 50 copies. Could anyone confirm if the cover itself is misprinted? Or am I really just missing a page.

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Discogs don't allow hotlinking images
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Amazon has had these mysterious Noise reissues for sale for a while now, so I finally decided to snag a few: Voivod's Killing Technology and Dimension Hatross, and Coroner's Punishment for Decadence. I recall someone either in this thread or on this board more generally suspecting they were bootlegs of one kind or another. Anyone know what exactly they are? On discogs the Voivods have the correct matrix info but no real source/production info:
http://www.discogs.com/Vo%C3%AFvod-Kill ... se/1740784
http://www.discogs.com/Voivod-Dimension ... se/3385010
http://www.discogs.com/Coroner-Punishme ... se/2602122

Regarding the matrix there's a "DIDX-" followed by a 6 digit number on all three of these, with (obviously) the 6 digit # varying. The Coroner is DIDX - 256337:
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I'm listening to PFD now and it doesn't sound remastered in the slightest, very low volume, which is sort of nice, to be honest. Anyway I'm just curious if anyone ever figured out the origin and legitimacy of these Noise reissues.

Uh .... as I'm typing this, at 4:30 in "Skeleton on Your Shoulder," the volume just went down noticeably. Did that happen on the original press? The next track sounds back to normal. Weird.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:49 pm 
 

Those are from Amazon or from a 3rd party? Maybe they are just nice (which, to me, means as unchanged as possible) represses, I feel tempted.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:14 pm 
 

japc wrote:
Maybe they are just nice (which, to me, means as unchanged as possible) represses

... that don't exist...

There's a reason why old Noise Records albums from the eighties that were never reissued are rare. It's because they were never reissued! We did have a discussion here about Noise editions being sold abound, and point is you can't tell what the hell they are unless you have them in your hand and compare against an original. PFD is from 1988 and that CD has SID codes (which date from 1994), do the math. Plus, that matrix... :nono:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:21 pm 
 

Straight from Amazon, yeah. Prices kind of flux between $11 and $13, and every once in a while Dimension Hatross goes into "may take 3-5 days to ship" mode for some reason.

Here's tray card scans, while we're at it:
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Killing Technology has the 2004 date, at least.

edit: to be clear, I am in no way suggesting these are original presses. I'm just befuddled by the lack of info about them.

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androdion wrote:
There's a reason why old Noise Records albums from the eighties that were never reissued are rare. It's because they were never reissued!


My point is that maybe they were. According to discogs Noise Records existed until 2001, then became part of Sanctuary until 2007 and has since been assimilated by Universal Music. I doubt that the later 2 would simply repress the albums without much fanfare but 2001 is not that far and Noise itself could have done the represses, it's not that they where obscure releases that didn't deserve a repress after all.

But I guess that if you say that they weren't repressed/reissued then you must have discussed that thorougly on that other thread (can you send me the link to it?).

EDIT: posted this before seing your reply with the backcover scans. So those are Sanctuary reissues, nice, added to my to buy list.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:10 pm 
 

Compare that tray scan with these two, the 2003 and 2007 Sanctuary reissues. Do you notice the difference? ;)

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=4954583
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3800837

I know for a fact that Noise did a repress batch of some titles in 1999, though I have no idea if all titles got that treatment. Probably not since by then they should've been nearly bankrupt as they were two years later. There are some reissues dating from 2003 with the Noise/Sanctuary stamp and again in 2007. But it's all a fucking mess to be honest! And as we've discussed thoroughly in the past, several times, there's so much "fragmentation" (to use a term from the smartphone industry) in those presses that it's really hard to say what you're buying. Even when you get it with Noise/Sanctuary stamp you still don't know what you're getting, case in point the purchases displayed above.

I don't know man, I've been trying to get a legit copy of PFD for ages now and somehow Amazon/Ebay always have metric fuckton of "legit" editions, yet no seller will be able to tell you where they come from or which year they were pressed. And then, as you say, Sanctuary bought Noise and was then bought by Universal. Come on, not even the guys in the band know about these reissues, how could we?!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:47 pm 
 

Big_Grand wrote:
Does it not show for you?
No, but the image is in your cache which is why you can see it.

DeathfareDevil
This image looks fine, it's just a modern repress or reissue, I asked for more info on the 3 releases you linked to too [feel free to do this yourself by the way]
At least they aren't Amazon's vomitous made on demand hideous CDr discs :puke:
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Those rear covers are quite different :p
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:32 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Those rear covers are quite different :p

Different reissues usually are.
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DeathfareDevil:
your cds are pressed by a legit plant, I have a cd from the same plant (Ruffians-There and Back): same font, same inner ring, even the same ifpi (L327)and it starts with DIDX!! The only difference is that I also have the name of the plant in the matrix: "CRAVEDOG.COM".
Anyway, I checked my original noise copy of PFD and I did not find anything strange in the track you mentioned...

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Unless I'm losing my mind, always a possibility, the four different YT vids of "Skeletons..." had that subtle volume drop at around 4:30. My copy of Rotting Christ's "Thy Mighty Contract" does this too in one song, I forget which, and it's way less subtle. Oh well, whatever the case, no biggie, and thanks for doing a comparison check.

Also, I submitted some of this stuff to discogs. Hopefully I edited the right reissues.

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I read some discussions above on DIDX matrices. Note that these are used by Sony pressing plants. The good thing about DIDX matrices is that they follow a strict sequence, so if you have other releases with DIDX codes from known pressing years you can interpolate and deterrmine the pressing year if you dont know it. As an example the DIDX-256337 in question, if it is accompanied by an IFPI code we can say at least it is from 1994.

I sorted my CD collection database for matrix number and found the following:

Exodus - Exhibit B: The Human Condition, DIDX-255338, pressed in 2010
Bonded by Blood - Exiled to Earth, DIDX-256619, pressed in 2010

DIDX-256337 is right between these 2, so it was definitely pressed in 2010.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:31 pm 
 

Forgive if these questions have already been addressed, but I don't feel like reading through a 22 page thread.

I found a couple rare CDs I want on ebay for decent prices. There is no way in HELL I'd be able to get the real thing on either one of them. In the past I've seen several bootlegs from Greek sellers usually over $20. Now I have found a Ukrainian seller selling them for $8.40 each. So my question is, how much more shitty are Russian bootlegs than other European bootlegs? Would it be worth it? Oh by the way, it's $8.40 OR BEST OFFER, so that's something to consider.

I found another CD, I don't know how rare it is, but it is 99 cents. It's sold by a Greek seller. The band is Greek, and the record label the original was printed on is Greek. So how likely are Greek sellers to bootleg CDs by Greek bands on Greek labels?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:56 pm 
 

The Greek thing I'd say is unlikely, but you never know...
Please don't buy bootlegs, you're only encouraging them, the 'licensed' stuff isn't exactly a bootleg though if that's what you mean?

Can we get some links and band/album names?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:25 pm 
 

It would be easier if you said which albums they are. No one is going to "steal" them from you. :p

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