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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:06 am 
 

aaauuuuu wrote:
Purgatory (Indonesia): http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Purgatory/31838 Actually they're nu-metal in 2nd & 3rd album)
Complete songs - Beauty Lies Beneath: http://www.mediafire.com/download/zzmhl ... ot.com.rar
7:172 - http://files.indowebster.com/download/a ... y7172_2003

About before changed the genre, dunno why death metal according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory_(band) (death metal early)
First album Ambang Kepunahan (death metal) is not available anywhere for download, I think now sold out.

Is this a genre change request? viewtopic.php?f=3&t=35533
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:45 am 
 

No, I mean maybe you need to delete the band page of Purgatory coz they're nu-metal. I confused since I saw on Wikipedia, it says that they played death metal first on first album. I never heard the first album Ambang Kepunahan, there are no samples anywhere to listen. So maybe you remove the band page, or you believe without listen to first album? If believe, as genre change request, you can change into "Death Metal (early), Nu-Metal (later)". If not, you can remove Purgatory.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:00 am 
 

aaauuuuu wrote:
there are no samples anywhere to listen

:roll: Sure, it took me ten seconds to find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TwkpDCVdRM
On a side note, the tracklist in that sampler is different from the one listed now, any idea where the latter comes from and which one is correct?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:02 am 
 

A genre change should suffice for now. I'll try to get actual samples from the first release.

EDIT: Well, Fulgurius beat me to it.
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Deleted Equiseti. Progressive rock.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:30 pm 
 

Agent 0: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Agent_0/3540335900

If the band's word is to be taken on it, the band do not compose original music; it seems they play BDM arrangements of Touhou music: https://www.facebook.com/AGENT0.touhou/info
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Deleted Hartmann. AOR, not a valid SP.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:04 pm 
 

From the list of "melodic metal", a genre label that is being phased out because it describes bands like this as well as Iron Maiden wannabes...

The Killing Machine (Texas, USA)
https://web.archive.org/web/20041213191 ... chine.com/
The demo is a single song "available at the band's website" but I see no mention of a demo on the archives of their site, and it autoplays moshcore that sounds like Hatebreed.

Vicious Circle (BC, Canada)
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/ ... 75,00.html
Alternative rock.

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Azmodes
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Another melodic metal fraud:

Change of Seasons, heavier alternative/prog rock.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:42 am 
 

Nuked:
Widek - djent
Eryn Non Dae. - largely riffless post-groove Meshuggah wannabe
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TheLoneForest
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:01 am 
 

So why was Germ accepted? I was told it wouldn't be.

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Azmodes
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We discussed it among the staff. You could say there was sort of a vote, and a large majority was in favor of including the band.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:35 am 
 

Following the semi-recent purge of non-metal projects, i.e. stricter, not blindly mechanical enforcement of the side-project/exception rule, these bands have been deleted:
Aeoga - drone/dark ambient
Halo Manash - drone/dark ambient
Aythis - ambient
Daemonia Nymphe - folk
Deadwood (swe) - dark ambient/noise
Fall of the Grey-Winged One - drone/ambient
Umbra/Sui Generis Umbra - ambient
The Soil Bleeds Black - neofolk
Ywolf - gothic/folk

If anyone is concerned about lost data, contact... you guessed it... Alhadis.

EDIT:
Doug Stapp - shred/rock
Lori Linstruth - shred/rock
Shane Gibson - "experimental" djent/shred/math
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:17 pm 
 

Deleted Natura. They were listed as "Progressive metal" for some incomprehensible reason.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:29 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Of_ ... Moon/15767 ?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:37 pm 
 

Why was Chimp Spanner removed? Are they considered more "djent" than metal?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:38 pm 
 

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Why was Chimp Spanner removed? Are they considered more "djent" than metal?

Asking the question is answering it. :)

Drone, we're currently evaluating many non metal side projects including OtWatM.
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dantes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:21 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Of_the_Wand_%26_the_Moon/15767 ?


Sure, Saturnus isn't the most important band in the history of Metal, but it would be a shame to nuke a band that seems
real popular (and linked) within the Metal world.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:25 pm 
 

jakster840 wrote:
Why was Chimp Spanner removed? Are they considered more "djent" than metal?

By the way, this thread is where users ask why a band was accepted, and where users suggest its deletion. For asking why a band was removed from the site, the correct thread would be this one: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=64985
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dantes wrote:
droneriot wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Of_the_Wand_%26_the_Moon/15767 ?


Sure, Saturnus isn't the most important band in the history of Metal, but it would be a shame to nuke a band that seems
real popular (and linked) within the Metal world.

But it's his main project which he formed after leaving Saturnus because he didn't like the band's direction. If valid side projects like Aythis are deleted this band should go as well
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:54 pm 
 

Nuked Jorge Salán. This guy has like one vaguely metallic song per album, it's predominantly melodic hard rock/shred.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:15 pm 
 

Hello All,

Long time viewer, rather new to the forum though.

Although I've reviewed the FAQ section many times, I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask this question, and I appreciate this is an on-going issue..., but I'd like to ask:
- Why is Keel listed as "heavy metal"? Not sure if everyone will agree, but they seem to me too much rockish, and,
- Why is Europe not listed?
I know the rules..., it's just that Keel have no metal riffs or anything actually metal - they even covered Because the night; on the other hand..., I accept Europe based most of their career on hard rock, but their first 2 albums are heavy metal, plain and simple.

Was trying to find some background information or discussion about the case of Europe, but couldn't find anything...

Thanks.

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uglur
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:08 pm 
 

Deleted Grimness Enshroud. No release.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:59 pm 
 

Deleted José Andrëa. The only album consists to 90% of covers, one single original ballad at the end isn't really enough.

paradisebeyond wrote:
Hello All,

Long time viewer, rather new to the forum though.

Although I've reviewed the FAQ section many times, I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask this question, and I appreciate this is an on-going issue..., but I'd like to ask:
- Why is Keel listed as "heavy metal"? Not sure if everyone will agree, but they seem to me too much rockish, and,
- Why is Europe not listed?
I know the rules..., it's just that Keel have no metal riffs or anything actually metal - they even covered Because the night; on the other hand..., I accept Europe based most of their career on hard rock, but their first 2 albums are heavy metal, plain and simple.

Was trying to find some background information or discussion about the case of Europe, but couldn't find anything...

Thanks.

I don't know much about either band, except the names, so I can't really help you there. I do however know that Europe has been brought up before and the verdict was always the same. Perhaps either might benefit from another review, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:18 pm 
 

I changed Keel's genre from "heavy metal" to "heavy metal/hard rock" after consulting with failsafeman. Seems more accurate.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:33 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
I changed Keel's genre from "heavy metal" to "heavy metal/hard rock" after consulting with failsafeman. Seems more accurate.


Thank you both buddies.

Personally speaking I would take Keel out - riffs are hard rock, lyrics are hard rock, and even quite dodgy for hard rock standards.

I know this issue (why Keel and not Europe) must be a common one, but one can't listen to Europe's instrumental tracks and claim it's hard rock, it's heavy metal and sounds similar to Gotham City or other bands from Sweden.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:38 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Deleted José Andrëa. The only album consists to 90% of covers, one single original ballad at the end isn't really enough.


Didn't his solo project considered a side-project? He was in Mago de Oz back then...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:47 pm 
 

That angle was discussed, but some original material is still required. That holds for any entry.

This case had one 1-hour cover album with a ballad at the end.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:58 pm 
 

Dark Blasphemer? http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dar ... 3540361895

They have just released a bunch of mp3s, they have some pending split albums since forever but nothing firm yet. I wonder how's the criteria in cases like these.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:19 am 
 

Their nearly 42-minute demo is available for download on their Bandcamp, they've got nice cover art, a real logo, and as I'm listening now this sounds like a fairly professional release, so they meet our guidelines for valid digital release. In case you weren't aware, we started accepting bands with digital-only releases under more strict guidelines than those bands with physical releases. From the rules:

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While physical releases are preferred, digital distribution is now more than common and predominant, and as of 2013, we are now also accepting digital-only releases -- with some caveats. Here are criteria for a band's digital release to be accepted:

Official Distribution: The album must be available through an official and/or permanent (as "permanent" as Internet sites go, anyway) channel. This means sending us a link to a Mediafire-hosted .rar file is not good enough (could be faked too easily). You must show us where this album is hosted (such as a band's official site, a serious digital distributor, etc.) Note, this does not mean free albums are excluded.
Quality Download: No streaming-only (such as on MySpace or YouTube); the digital album must be available as a full high-quality download, preferably in lossless format.
Length of material: The album must be a full-length. There is no hard-defined cut-off, as that would be arbitrary: a good guideline, however, would be roughly 30 minutes of original material. This is to avoid the kind of bands that have a lazy "promo single", or a "3 song EP", of which 2 are covers, for instance. Expect moderator discretion for evaluating this. An EP may be accepted depending on the situation. Two EPs are better than one, for sure.
Fixed tracklist: The album must have a fixed tracklisting. An assorted bunch of songs posted every now and then on ReverbNation is not an "EP" or a "demo". Another song posted later is not "demo 2". And so on.
Final mix: No rehearsals, raw promos, rough mixes of any kinds are accepted for digital releases. Only finished, professional albums.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:55 am 
 

Can these side projects get a reevaluation?
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arcana/1070
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sophia/108394

They're apparently included as side projects of Peter Bjärgö, but he isn't really a famous-enough musician for most metalheads to particularly care about his solo work (his most well-known band is Crypt of Kerberos, which was originally only active for three years and has only released one full-length album to date... he's actually released more stuff with Sophia and Arcana than all of his metal bands combined).
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Bjärgö's side projects have been discussed at length recently, especially in relation to similar situations. The discussion is ongoing.
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Vätteanda: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/V%C ... anda/87257

Doesn't seem to have had any valid release.
Just doing a quick search (https://www.google.no/webhp?hl=en&tab=w ... finntroll+) will prove this.

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From the linked band website:
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I'm allready recording my second demo, the first one is kinda personal,

so its not for sale, but please check out my second, its ready soon,

Check out for more news, later this year

Stay heavy!

So yeah, deleted.
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What about this http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gog/106803. They don't have anything except a five way split
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u_sir_r_a_faggot wrote:
What about this http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gog/106803. They don't have anything except a five way split

I'm not a mod, but they'll tell you that splits are valid releases as long as they're physical.
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Just to learn more about mod.rulings, but wasn't the maximum split size 4 bands? Maybe its been changed, I remember this from when I joined up.
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lord_ghengis wrote:
Just to learn more about mod.rulings, but wasn't the maximum split size 4 bands? Maybe its been changed, I remember this from when I joined up.


Maximum is 6 by now.

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... And that's why I'll never be offered modship haha.
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Nah, the real reason why you'll never be offered a modship is because you're an Australian, and Alhadis single-handedly filled all the five-mods-per-country-at-the-very-most positions Australia could have with his tendency to never sleep.
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