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The Lions Den
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:39 am 
 

As for the argentinian Icarus licensed I had a couple of bad experiences.
A Death 'Leprosy' cd ordered directly from Amazon.it and a Grave Digger 'The Clans Are Still Marching' cd+dvd ordered by a third party vendor.

In the description page did not specify that was Icarus licensed, and I unfortunately received these.

The problem (especially with the Death cd) was in the printing of the colors that differ much from the original, as the cover of a bright pink while the original was more tenuous. Also the band pics inside came out as it had been scanned before printing.

Results? I did refund from Amazon for both the cds because if I purchase Century Media Records or Napalm I pretend to receive the original cd and not a licensed one. And I do not care if you sell them at a bargain price.

In any case, the Icarus licensed label I know who are laid off are:

Century Media
Napalm Records
Peaceville
Roadrunner
Earache

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:59 pm 
 

rooster85 wrote:
i've noticed that a few of my cd's don't have UPC code. Instead there is a number and "mfd. for BMG Direct Marketing INC. under license". What it means?


BMG is a music club, one of those "get 10 CDs for a penny!" deals that enroll you into a subscription service, whereby after that first deal of 10 CDs for a penny, you will be automatically charged for (and receive) a CD of the club's choice for a period of like 2 years unless you affirmatively tell them not to (every month -- and over that 2 year period, you are obligated to buy a certain number of full price discs). And those monthly CDs are always billed for like 16.99 plus tax and shipping or something outrageous like that. I honestly don't even know if those clubs exist anymore. I certainly have a few CDs with that BMG "UPC" though (as well as Columbia House, the other one).

Here's more than you probably ever wanted to know:
http://www.epinions.com/content_58014469764?sb=1

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androdion
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:02 pm 
 

DeathfareDevil wrote:
rooster85 wrote:
i've noticed that a few of my cd's don't have UPC code. Instead there is a number and "mfd. for BMG Direct Marketing INC. under license". What it means?


BMG is a music club, one of those "get 10 CDs for a penny!" deals that enroll you into a subscription service, whereby after that first deal of 10 CDs for a penny, you will be automatically charged for (and receive) a CD of the club's choice for a period of like 2 years unless you affirmatively tell them not to (every month -- and over that 2 year period, you are obligated to buy a certain number of full price discs). And those monthly CDs are always billed for like 16.99 plus tax and shipping or something outrageous like that. I honestly don't even know if those clubs exist anymore. I certainly have a few CDs with that BMG "UPC" though (as well as Columbia House, the other one).

Here's more than you probably ever wanted to know:
http://www.epinions.com/content_58014469764?sb=1

A CD version of Reader's Digest?! :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:26 am 
 

DeathfareDevil wrote:
rooster85 wrote:
i've noticed that a few of my cd's don't have UPC code. Instead there is a number and "mfd. for BMG Direct Marketing INC. under license". What it means?


BMG is a music club, one of those "get 10 CDs for a penny!" deals that enroll you into a subscription service, whereby after that first deal of 10 CDs for a penny, you will be automatically charged for (and receive) a CD of the club's choice for a period of like 2 years unless you affirmatively tell them not to (every month -- and over that 2 year period, you are obligated to buy a certain number of full price discs). And those monthly CDs are always billed for like 16.99 plus tax and shipping or something outrageous like that. I honestly don't even know if those clubs exist anymore. I certainly have a few CDs with that BMG "UPC" though (as well as Columbia House, the other one).

Here's more than you probably ever wanted to know:
http://www.epinions.com/content_58014469764?sb=1


ok, thanks for clearing that up :)

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:32 am 
 

It's pretty annoying when someone over at Discogs just hijacks a release with their BMG music club info without asking first.
I have a couple here [one I can think of is FNM Angel Dust] which have no barcodes.
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HeavyGabry
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:15 am 
 

The Lions Den wrote:
As for the argentinian Icarus licensed I had a couple of bad experiences.


In my experience, almost no problems with licensed reissues.
I was angry only because WOW HD didn't specify that Origin, Nile, Atheist and Dark Angel cds were Icarus editions.
But only "Piece Of Time" has a problem with the last bonus track: lots of cracks during the last minute, otherwise they're fine.
But I prefer taking South American or Russian licensed presses only if the original ones are too rare to find (many - totally legal -cds I was able to find for few money from Russia were long out of print all around the world)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:07 pm 
 

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dreadmeat wrote:
nice one, owned :thumbsup:
I sold a CD to a bloke in Ecuador yesterday, I’m just trying to confirm his address, I don't speak Spanish...

further to my Ukrainian Majesty And Decay thread
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=85240
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Immolation ‎– Majesty And Decay [EU/German version] which apparently is made in Thailand
matrix: DIP LBR 16 DIP 00056100008 8858305013766 CD IMMOLATION-MAJESTY AND DECAY TDM [logo]
mastering sid code: IFPI LZ39
mould sid code: ifpi UP88

matrix
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disc
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side-by-side
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does anyone else have these versions of this album?
I had a few comments in the other thread but hopefully this thread gets a bit more traffic


Immolation ‎– Majesty And Decay

Matrix / Runout: DIDX-246372 1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L327
I see no mould sid code

The top one is my copy, can you guys compare yours?
It's supposedly the US version...
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HeavyGabry
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:32 am 
 

Anyone can help me with an edition of "Brutal Destruction" by Cyclone?
I've got this reissue (http://www.discogs.com/Cyclone-Brutal-Destruction/release/3343829) and it looks really ugly, but that's not important.
Discogs says there's a bootleg too and my version looks different from this one (http://www.ebay.it/itm/CYCLONE-brutal-destruction-CD-1998-Axe-killer-ltd-numbered-0544-/190776985205?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item2c6b31c675) because of:

- darker CD
- print error both in artwork (grey vertical line in the edge of the right part of the cover) and in title (Brutal DestrucRion)

Could you please tell me what you think about it?

EDIT: no help needed, it's a bootleg. :(
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:46 pm 
 

That sucks, I know the feeling mate, perhaps get some scans of your copy and add it to Discogs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:35 am 
 

I need help identifying an album i saw at Metal Haven (Chicago)
It was a vinyl with the artwork depicting a sledgehammer in the twat.
Any at all help would be appreciated !

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androdion
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:13 pm 
 

Not what this thread is for... :nono:
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:48 pm 
 

urgraveisnear wrote:
It was a vinyl with the artwork depicting a sledgehammer in the twat.
Ha ha ha! :grin:
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DeathfareDevil
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:14 pm 
 

I love that he registered just to ask that. Now that's urgency.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:50 pm 
 

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Obscenity-Suffocated-Truth-CD-CULT-DEATH-THRASH-METAL-Best-Offer-Accepted-/290858646815
[/url]

Just found out That Obscenity - Suffocated Truth has been bootlegged.

So please be warned. And dont buy this shitty Russian fake crap.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:41 pm 
 

PROTIP: for Ebay auctions you can use http://www.ebay.com/itm/ and then the auction number 290858646815
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290858646815

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:17 am 
 

Marmer wrote:
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Obscenity-Suffocated-Truth-CD-CULT-DEATH-THRASH-METAL-Best-Offer-Accepted-/290858646815
[/url]

Just found out That Obscenity - Suffocated Truth has been bootlegged.

So please be warned. And dont sell this shitty Russian fake crap.


Probably related to these pricks: http://azintex-music.com/index.php?productID=5919
They also sell/sold via Amazon, Discogs and CDandLP avoid!!!
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:37 pm 
 

They cheekily call it a reissue too
At least if you buy it on Ebay and pay with Paypal you'd get your money back and you could add it to Discogs etc while you have it :nods:
Including full scans of everything including the matrix
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:44 pm 
 

Ive informed the band about this shit. Since we are Busy on an official re issue.

THE Guys totally felt like buttfucked beyond.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:35 pm 
 

Marmer wrote:
THE Guys totally felt like buttfucked beyond.
I know you're serious but I just laughed aloud at that! :lol: :grin:
Scumbag bootlegging counterfeiters need Death...The Brutal Way
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Im Born to make people laugh mate. Enjoy.
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:03 pm 
 

Just tripped over a bootleg of Immolation - Dawn Of Possession
Maybe it's old news maybe it isn't but thankfully someone posted some good quality images

That font is all wrong but the text is accurate
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The image printed onto the centre of the disc shouldn't be there, it should be clear, and is darker
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Odd looking barcode and darker artwork etc
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:47 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Just tripped over a bootleg of Immolation - Dawn Of Possession
Maybe it's old news maybe it isn't but thankfully someone posted some good quality images

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That font is all wrong but the text is accurate
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The image printed onto the centre of the disc shouldn't be there, it should be clear, and is darker
Image

Odd looking barcode and darker artwork etc
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You tripped over it?! :p

Anyway, the matrix picture is very telling. Anyone who has seen a SONOPRESS matrix before would easily identify that font as being off. Sucks to see that bootlegs keep coming from everywhere and affecting any possible title... :(
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:05 pm 
 

I recently bought a Dissection "The Somberlain" first press CD released by No Fashion Records (NFR 006). My friend also bought a first press but not sure it really is a first press. All the first press editions I've looked at look like mine, black CD, distributed by House of Kicks and has the fan mail addresses of No Fashion Records and Dissection's too. My friends CD is purple, not black. the booklet and the back of the CD look the same but not the CD. Can someone help me with this issue??? It doesn't look like the Japanese version either.


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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:13 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92986 <==[ check out this thread mate

My copy is a 2 CD reissue on The End Records which doesn't really help you
http://www.discogs.com/release/1373134
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:46 pm 
 

There were multiple pressings of the CD made of the original NFR edition. Discogs lists three different matrix codes found on the first NFR version. http://www.discogs.com/Dissection-The-S ... ase/378324

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:55 pm 
 

I have requested that someone separates these, clearly they are totally different.

Matrix / Runout (Variation #1): CD PLANT MFG NFR 006 CDM01
Matrix / Runout (Variation #2): NFR006 00070418
Matrix / Runout (Variation #3): DCM Digital Communication Media™ (logotype) 23072303 NFR 006


edit: less than a minute ago shouldn't be on the end!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:48 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I have requested that someone separates these, clearly they are totally different.

Matrix / Runout (Variation #1): CD PLANT MFG NFR 006 CDM01
Matrix / Runout (Variation #2): NFR006 00070418
Matrix / Runout (Variation #3): DCM Digital Communication Media™ (logotype) 23072303 NFR 006 less than a minute ago


If you don't mind me asking, what's the difference between the 3 Variations komrade? I hope you could enlighten me I'm new on this things. :brick:

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Different manufacturers, pressing plants, replicators, duplicator, glass masterer etc
Variant 2 may eve be incomplete, maybe missing a logo or even a url, no mould or mastering SID codes
Anything could be missing really :scratch:
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:01 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Different manufacturers, pressing plants, replicators, duplicator, glass masterer etc
Variant 2 may eve be incomplete, maybe missing a logo or even a url, no mould or mastering SID codes
Anything could be missing really :scratch:


Thanks for the enlightenment komrade!
So there is no issue like: "Variant #1 being the first press, #3 being a third press"? All Variants [#1,#2,#3] are all considered first press with different CD matrix because the discs were manufactured by different manufacturers and pressing plants? :-D

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:05 am 
 

That's right, the variants are just added in the order they are added by whoever adds them
They should all be separate releases on Discogs, different manufacturer = unique release

Never take Discogs, GEMM, Ebay, Musik Sammler etc as 100% accurate
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:11 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
That's right, the variants are just added in the order they are added by whoever adds them
They should all be separate releases on Discogs, different manufacturer = unique release

Never take Discogs, GEMM, Ebay, Musik Sammler etc as 100% accurate


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:14 am 
 

And you guys thought you just had CDs, philistines! :roll: :lol:
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Question about:
Arckanum - Fran Marder [Necropolis Records 1995]

Discogs and Ebay tells this matrix [first press] NR-008 MADE IN TAIWAN 950627-22 67513XK1 IFPI L601.

My personal copy has this matrix:
IFPI LN46 NR-008 79265-80008-21

Any idea on this? Is mine a bootleg or what?
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:22 am 
 

Who says the person selling it on Ebay knows what they are talking about and may even be the person editing the Discogs page [or worse, copy/paste]
It's not necessarily an original [I use that word to mean first press] also yours may just be a repress, reissue or just for a different market, eg
UK vs Europe vs US vs Asia will often all be quite different
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dreadmeat wrote:
And you guys thought you just had CDs, philistines! :roll: :lol:


:durr: You're damn right komrade. I was very contented until I knew all about this "matrix" thing, made me a paranoid once the whole day - checking all my CD and their matrix and comparing it to what discogs and ebay says. :brick:
Did research about these codes in Wikipedia, but really doesn't understand 100% what Wiki says about them hahaha!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:31 am 
 

Download this small pdf file
http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/sid-code-implementation-guide.pdf

And have a look here
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix

And yes I freaked out too when I discovered all this stuff, I'm now committed to updating Discogs
I was on the receiving end of some counterfeit CDs not long ago too so this knowledge came in quite handy
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Great help komrade, thanks!
Discovering a bootleg/counterfeit CD which you had in your personal collection in a very long time would be very depressive! :brick:
It's very nice to have knowledge on this information. Serves as a protection on serious collectors like ourselves! :snipe:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:33 pm 
 

Merged the Dissection thread into this one, now that I'm awake enough to use the merging tools without screwing up!

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It's like, maggick :o

This thread is an excellent resource, I send people here from other sites too now
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:25 am 
 

OK guys, I need a hand in here. :p

I'm looking at original presses of Crypt of Kerberos' World Of Myths and I'm trying to figure out why there are two different "first presses" when there should only be one (allegedly). Take heed at the links below:

Supposedly the "true" first press, no IFPI and correct matrix:

Discogs
Ebay

Supposedly a repress of the first press, with IFPI and different matrix:

Ebay

There's also a very distinctive difference on the label of the CD, the DUPLI PRODUCTION logo is only present on the first and not in the second. Now the thing is that both are being marketed as first presses, although a keen eye and a sane mind will tell you that a 1993 CD can't have IFPI codes. But is the second version a known repress? I've never seen any mention of it, but to be honest Adipocere did repress for instance Sacramentum's debut album the same year as it came out.

Can anyone provide some info on this?
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