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Subrick
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:59 pm 
 

Pacific Rim was beaten at the box office by Grown Ups 2. The former grossed only $38.3 million, while the latter grossed $42.5 million.

It's official: Adam Sandler's career will not fucking die.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:38 pm 
 

Grown Ups 2 also probably cost significantly less to make. As long as he makes money doing this utter, PG-13 inoffensive comedy drivel, his movies will keep being made. I saw the trailer and it looks like the most Adam Sandler of Adam Sandler movies. As I was watching it, that South Park voice came in my head. ADAM SANDLER IS ALL GROWN UP! BUT HE'S ABOUT TO FIND OUT, GROWING UP, IS HARDER THAN IT LOOKS! The fucking thing is replete with close up shots of silly faces. UGH.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:45 pm 
 

From what I've read, it's literally just one gross out gag after another with almost nothing in the way of plot to connect them. In particular, the very first scene of the movie is a CGI deer pissing on Adam Sandler's face.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:52 pm 
 

Yeah, when I saw that in the trailer I actually facepalmed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:23 pm 
 

The only thing funny about Grown Ups 2 is people reviewing it on youtube that clearly hate what they've seen and knew it going in, but they paid money for it thus guaranteeing a Grown Ups 3. The cycle will never end. Even when the cast dies they'll just bring them back CGI style because who cares, right?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:26 pm 
 

Horrible Bosses was pretty good, and animated ones like Wreck It Ralph in particular have been outstanding. But yeah, mainstream comedy is kind of in the shitter right now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:10 pm 
 

Sandler does the same movie over and over again. I don't get how people don't get bored with the grown up guy who still believes is a kid and finds out he has grown up! FUCK HIM WITH A KNIFE!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:14 pm 
 

He really does have talent though, as Punch Drunk Love and some others like Reign Over Me (didn't like that one so much, but he did pretty good in it) shows. Shame he's not using it to better ends.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:15 pm 
 

Don't forget Funny People. That was pretty damn good too.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:45 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
He really does have talent though, as Punch Drunk Love and some others like Reign Over Me (didn't like that one so much, but he did pretty good in it) shows. Shame he's not using it to better ends.

Whatever ambition Adam Sandler originally had to make entertaining and funny films went out the window after Little Nicky. I genuinely think he looks back at those two above mentioned films as being a mistake. He doesn't care about doing anything worthwhile or important, he just wants money and a good time with his friends, even if his good time doesn't work well in films at all. And physically speaking he's aged terribly, in all his recent interviews he looks overweight, out of breath, hasn't slept and sluggish (looks like he smoked two packs a day and ate Wendy's for 15 years). He talks about mundane things like his children growing up or waiting in line at a supermarket. Simply no drive or energy to be on the ball.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:12 am 
 

Necroticism174 wrote:
Grown Ups 2 also probably cost significantly less to make. As long as he makes money doing this utter, PG-13 inoffensive comedy drivel, his movies will keep being made. I saw the trailer and it looks like the most Adam Sandler of Adam Sandler movies. As I was watching it, that South Park voice came in my head. ADAM SANDLER IS ALL GROWN UP! BUT HE'S ABOUT TO FIND OUT, GROWING UP, IS HARDER THAN IT LOOKS! The fucking thing is replete with close up shots of silly faces. UGH.

Adam Sandler is about to find out.. Working as a undercover female prostitute... Is harder than it looks. From the makers of Darp and Darpy Barp, Adam Sandler is Undercover Boobie. *record scratch*"I hope my tampon isn't leaking!" Rated PG 13.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:36 am 
 

PG-13 is a shitty rating for genres like comedy, action, and horror. The best movies of those three styles are generally hard-R, and to take a movie that was filmed as a hard-R and cut it down to a PG-13 (such as Die Hard 4) is shitting all over the creative process. If the writer of the movie wanted it to be a PG-13, he would have originally written it as a PG-13.

Also, PG-13 slasher movies are an insult to the intelligence of every horror fan out there. Just look at the Prom Night remake.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:54 am 
 

darkeningday wrote:
How "del Toro-y" is Pacific Rim in style and execution? I've hated everything del Toro has ever made (especially Pan's Labyrinth and especially THE SPINE OF THE DEVIL, which I would rate something like a 0.5/10 and 0/10, respectively), but the trailers so far have shown Pacific Rim to be more of the retarded Emmerich/Berg/Sommers variety of action movie (replete with Crispin's Day speeches, trailer-ready one liners and shoehorned love-interests with about as much chemistry as homeopathy) which I can passively enjoy, rather than the glacially paced, pseudo-intellectual Michael-Bay-in-Ingmar-Bergman's-clothing del Toro is known and (depressingly) loved for, which I enjoy about as much as a Glenn Beck in a full spread for Playgirl.

Can anyone confirm or deny the style change?


I saw it in 3d last night and you wouldnt have thought that Del Toro did it. I loved it and the visuals/3d were amazing, though the live action stuff was really generic and predictable. Though it's not like this was meant for that. If only there was a real Imax theater near me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:59 am 
 

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PG-13 is a shitty rating for genres like comedy, action, and horror. The best movies of those three styles are generally hard-R, and to take a movie that was filmed as a hard-R and cut it down to a PG-13 (such as Die Hard 4) is shitting all over the creative process. If the writer of the movie wanted it to be a PG-13, he would have originally written it as a PG-13.

Also, PG-13 slasher movies are an insult to the intelligence of every horror fan out there. Just look at the Prom Night remake


Oh trust me, I did a research paper on the MPAA last year, their rating system and how they rate films are such bullshit. I'm looking to start being a film maker for my bachelors and while I don't have dreams of being Spielberg or anything, I'm not leaving out the idea of someday making full on big studio films. The one thing I'm worried about is the idea of having to deal with their standards and be miss-rated on something I do.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:46 am 
 

I watched that documentary on Netflix about the MPAA, "This Film Is Not Yet Rated", and yes, the MPAA's process for rating movies and how they fuck over independent films and whatnot is, indeed, a giant mound of stinky horseshit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:19 pm 
 

Re-watched Boogie Nights again last night. Man, I love EVERYTHING about that movie.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:14 pm 
 

Ugh, outside of the diner scene, that movie was incredibly plodding and dull. The dialog alone sounded as if it was penned by a kindergartner, and every single scene dragged on and on and on. It was especially disappointing after the excellent Hard Eight, but I suppose it did accurately foreshadow what the rest of PT Anderson's movies would turn out to be (i.e., unadulterated garbage).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:43 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
I watched that documentary on Netflix about the MPAA, "This Film Is Not Yet Rated", and yes, the MPAA's process for rating movies and how they fuck over independent films and whatnot is, indeed, a giant mound of stinky horseshit.


That movie was ridiculous. The interviews were good, but most of the film was two jackasses acting like undercover PIs diving in dumpsters for proof that studios are corrupt. Pretty stupid.
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darkeningday wrote:
Ugh, outside of the diner scene, that movie was incredibly plodding and dull. The dialog alone sounded as if it was penned by a kindergartner, and every single scene dragged on and on and on. It was especially disappointing after the excellent Hard Eight, but I suppose it did accurately foreshadow what the rest of PT Anderson's movies would turn out to be (i.e., unadulterated garbage).

I wouldn't say it was nearly that bad, it had a good plot structure and the visuals were good, and yeah the diner scene was quite intense. But I agree that the movie hasn't aged well for me; I saw it a few years ago and now that I think back on it, I'm kind of left wondering what the hell I was supposed to take from it. The main character, whose ups and downs were supposed to be the driving force behind the entire plot, just wasn't all that interesting or memorable. I don't really know what the fuck I was supposed to take away from The Master either, but at least that had some really fascinating characters and great acting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:45 pm 
 

Yeah, it certainly was pretty; I recall a daytime pool scene being just stunningly gorgeous even though I can't remember a single thing about the actual scene. The one thing you can always bank on in a PT Anderson movie is that it'll look like candy.

I'm interested in seeing what Anderson will do with Pynchon's Inherent Vice, even though I'm pretty positive I won't like it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:07 pm 
 

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OHHHHHHHHHHH HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

I'm crossing my fingers that it's a trailer and/or official image release of Godzilla, AND it's released for public viewing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:13 pm 
 

Man I need to cry it out here, if you are a big cinema nut you ought to check out some Johnnie To films. Such a unique director, he makes a lot of very stylish and quirky/weird films. Often the story isn't very important, pretty barebones in fact. But it's just how everything is filmed, the camera work, the actors, their performances... sometimes he just makes magic moments out of thin air, with or without dialogue. It's how the unique, or not, characters interact between themselves. His films are hard to explain, it's not about being realistic or clever, just giving you a good time without using fancy tricks. Not all his films are as such, like the Election films where he tries to depict triad elections in a realistic manner. Purely fictional, but he brings his own touch and story while not throwing all the realism out of the window like John Woo. For instance, guns are pretty minimal as it very hard to get hold of guns in Hong Kong.

So that means I just watched another of his films tonight, A Hero Never Dies. It's an heroic bloodshed (stylish gangster films often with themes of loyalty and friendship, honor) but like... a self-aware one. It's like at the opposite of A Better Tomorrow (John Woo), the precursor of the style. It's not a parody but it tries to be the most heroic bloodshed of heroic bloodshed. It's not realistic at all and the approach is quite special. It takes some time to know what really happens, but it's a verrry simple story. It's all about the feel, atmosphere, style and all, and it works. Johnnie To doesn't have a lot of material but he really knows how to achieve much with little, it's about the little things.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:27 pm 
 

Aurone wrote:
*epic Godzilla poster*

OHHHHHHHHHHH HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

I'm crossing my fingers that it's a trailer and/or official image release of Godzilla, AND it's released for public viewing.


Well we already have one released image of Godzilla from the new movie.

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And I Looked and Behold a Pale Horse
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:43 am 
 

So I saw Pacific Rim. Yeah. This movie was not good. It's about 40 minutes too long, the characters all suck super hard and/or are uninteresting. Every bit of dialogue sucked. The robot fights were kind of cool at first. But then they went on. and on. and on. and on. Ron Pearlman's performance is kind of funny, and Charlie Day's character was completely useless. Anyways, overall lame movie.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:49 am 
 

It's getting a fair amount of good reviews on rotten tomatoes. I haven't seen it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:00 am 
 

I thought it was awesome. If you went to see a movie about giant robots fighting monsters for interesting characters, you're an idiot. Anyway Idris Elba in particular was great, and while the dialog certainly wasn't spectacular, there also wasn't anything wrong with it either.
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If you liked the action scenes in Man of Steel I don't know how you thought the Pacific Rim ones were boring. It's the same kind of explosive, big action, only PR was better, more fun and went on for longer. I always think there's an art to doing good action scenes, with tons of dynamic, intensity, fast pace...PR ticked all the boxes.

And yeah, dialogue and characters were pretty much fine. Standard, but pretty well done.
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They were cool at first, but honestly the length is what killed it for me. It had infinite padding and would have been infinitely better as a shorter movie. There's only so much slow-mo robot fighting I can take. Idris Elba was good though. Because he's Idris Elba.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:14 am 
 

It wasn't really that slow. Not like Zak Snyder slow, anyway - which ironically he fixed for MoS. I thought it was the perfect tempo to see what was going on. Plus the visuals were gorgeous. I thought it felt pretty short actually, overall.
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I want to support everything positive that's been said so far about Pacific Rim. It's basically a huge love letter to old giant monster movies and mecha anime (not really fond of the latter, but giant robots are just damn cool). As said before, the dialogue and such is nothing to write home about, but it wasn't awful or tacky, so I won't hold that against the movie. Loved Perlman, as always, even if his role was small, and also truly liked the fact that the relationship between Raleigh and Mako remained platonic rather than romantic. It was quite the breath of fresh air.

Plus, you know, huge robots fighting even bigger monsters. That's bloody awesome.

EDIT: That Godzilla poster? :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

EDIT 2: Also, hearing Ellen McLain's voice in this movie made me unreasonably happy.
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Necroticism174 wrote:
So I saw Pacific Rim. Yeah. This movie was not good. It's about 40 minutes too long, the characters all suck super hard and/or are uninteresting. Every bit of dialogue sucked. The robot fights were kind of cool at first. But then they went on. and on. and on. and on. Ron Pearlman's performance is kind of funny, and Charlie Day's character was completely useless. Anyways, overall lame movie.

40 minutes too long. The characters all suck super hard. You sure you didn't see one of the Lord of the Rings movies?

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Saw Pacific Rim yesterday, 3,5/5. It's pretty entertaining and also 100% predictable. There are some blatant references to Godannar, Gundam and a bit of Evangelion. If this movie is about mechas fighting colossal monsters, why not making the mechas faster and going all the Go Nagai route? equip the robots with chest cannons a las Mazinger; if the robot will have blades, why not using a sword like Voltes V? if not, some renovable rocket punches like Kotetsu Jeeg or just fighting moves like Daimos?

Also saw After Earth 3/5. It was decent within the plot, but a bit childish overall.
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6 Souls - 4/5

Really somber film with a cracking first two acts - it revolves around a psychologist given a case of a young man with split personalities, but it is not as it seems. The mystery and intrigue are first rate and Julianne Moore's character is really likable, as is her father played by Jeffrey DeMunn. I really do like the first half of the movie or so, up until they figure out what's going on. Then it gets a bit confusing and I just don't think the plot twist is very good...but the first half packs some killer atmosphere and good characters, and overall I'd still say it's a step up from the majority of movies like it coming out. Recommended.

The Ledge - 4/5

Apparently this got some press when it came out, and I think it's a pretty solid film. There were a few parts that got preachy, but only really in the beginning. Mostly this movie, about a young man and woman who embark on an illicit affair in the midst of a sort of rivalry with the woman's devout religious husband, is rather delicate and character driven. The characters' motivations, which initially seem kind of one dimensional, are very well done in their revelation as the film goes on. You get to like the two leads really well, and their relationship is generally well written. But at the end the film takes a turn to more thriller territory, and it just doesn't fit. It kind of goes against the more subtle leanings of the film's earlier parts. And the pacing is kind of off, as we have two main characters, but most of the movie is spent with only one of them - I forgot the second one, a cop going through marital problems, was even there at times. But overall I'd say this is a good flick. Memorable and engaging.
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I'm back from Pacific Rim, what a stupid stupid stupid and fun movie. It's very enjoyable special effect porn but the story could be hold on a postcard, so shallow. There's so many plot holes that are barely explained but hey, it's fun. Worth it on the big screen and turn off your brain. It fails at character development but it succeeds at creating fucking big monsters and big robots, can't have everything eh?

Some problems in the story that me and Hell-B discussed:
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-The fact the monsters are clones? WTF, they're not identical... I guess it could be understood that they're artificial creations by these aliens that we barely see, some explanation would had been cool.
-The nuclear reactor of the Australian robot at the end, not quite that's how it works. I thought they had a big nuke to close the portal, whatever!
-Oh cool, there's a sword, let's use it only when we're about to die.
-Why don't they send more monsters at once if they want to fully invade the earth and destroy us? ''lets test their defences, it would be fun!''


I guess Del Toro made a movie within the conventions of certain genres, it can be believable if you're 10 years old. Elba and Perlman were the shit and I kinda liked Charlie Day.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:30 pm 
 

Oh, the reason they didn't send more monsters at once was because the portal between worlds or dimensions or whatever wasn't stable enough. That's what the math guy figured out; they were sending the kaiju more and more frequently and in larger sizes because the portal was stabilizing. That was actually explained.

Anyway yeah, it's clear that the story was only there to support the robot vs. monster fights. I mean, if you're watching Godzilla movies for the story, I don't know what to tell you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:07 pm 
 

The action got tedious cause it was fucking slow as hell. I get that they're giant, but not every punch should take a minute to execute.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14 pm 
 

failsafeman wrote:
I thought it was awesome. If you went to see a movie about giant robots fighting monsters for interesting characters, you're an idiot. Anyway Idris Elba in particular was great, and while the dialog certainly wasn't spectacular, there also wasn't anything wrong with it either.


This, basically.

Saw it yesterday, thought it was awesome, although basically the whole way through I was just sorta looking at the screen thinking "Man this would way better if they cut the robots and introduced super saiyans". I think lack of super saiyans is something that's a problem in every movie.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:47 pm 
 

Wait, people are actually seeing Pacific Rim? :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:58 pm 
 

Earthcubed wrote:
Wait, people are actually seeing Pacific Rim? :lol:


People should be saying this about the other, crappy movies released this summer, i.e. almost everything except Pacific Rim.
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Yeah...it hasn't been a good summer.
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