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Grief_Of_Adoration
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:00 am 
 

Erosion Of Humanity wrote:
Just realized that I have a fake copy of Crematory's Act Seven. The CD says it's a Massacre Records release copyright 2007 but when I checked on their website it doesn't have it listed as one of their releases. Damn that blows. :annoyed:

Mate, be sure its original not fake. Some re-released or re-issued cds not mentioned on the band's or Label's site, maybe they state it as news on their pages. In addition to Act seven isnt a rare and expensive cd and can be found easily in many platforms therefore its in vain act to produce it as fake or bootleg and sell.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:55 am 
 

welten wrote:
Hi all!
i have a Tiamat "Sumerian cry " cd, MetalCore

matrix AREACEM DIGIP CMFT 6 ifpi1A01

on label - made in england
Text around the top edge of the label - made in france
back cover - printed in france

very hope what it's not bootleg ;)

First press one is on CMFT and its without any IFPI. The Second press is on Metal Core without any IFPI. Your cd is not a Bootleg but its a Re-Press of Second press (Due to its IFPI)

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:37 am 
 

XcKyle93 wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently purchased Garden of Shadow's "Heart of The Corona" from an individual on eBay from Bulgaria. It was not their self-released Casette; it was the CD from X-Rated Records. The CD seems legitimate, but there's one thing that's bothering me: I've read that the release is supposed to be an MCD, which I believe is a mini-CD. The thing is, the CD I have is definitely not a MCD; it's standard size. I don't think that GoS is that sought after of a band for people to create bootlegs.

Could someone help me out here?

MCD does not refer to shape and physical of cd, it refers to time, tracks and pages of booklet and price of cd!!!(time is between 15-30 min and booklet usually has 4 pages and the number of track is 3-6 Tracks and in normal case MCD is cheaper than normal CD) And it is released as Normal CD or 3" inch CD or Sleeve card version. But most of them were/are released as Normal CD and few as Sleeve card and 3" Inch version.

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Zdan
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 6:26 pm 
 

Two questions:

1. Is there a bootleg edition of the first Saint Vitus album on SST Records? If yes how can you tell the bootleg from the original?
2. As far as I know there are 3 versions of the 2CD reissue of both Holy Terror albums but supposedly each one of them has some problems with skipping on one of the discs. Is this correct or is there a proper/good version you should buy? Or just stick to the expensive as hell Japan editions?

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welten
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:07 am 
 

Thanks, Grief_Of_Adoration! :)
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:49 pm 
 

welten wrote:
Thanks, Grief_Of_Adoration! :)

Welcome my friend ;)

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Beer Baron
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:45 am 
 

Please guys i need some help in finding an Death Metal album and i don't really know if this is the right place to ask.
I've completely forgotten the name of the band(i remember it's not English) and the album title, but i have vague recollections of the cover art.
Its two guys(i think) wearing leather jackets, with bullet belts. The photograph was taken in the woods and looks more like a Black Metal album cover. I think it was released in the early 2000s

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Tormented666
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:57 pm 
 

are there any known bootlegs made for Dawn - slaughtersun and the ep sorgh....?


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androdion
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:29 pm 
 

Tormented666 wrote:
are there any known bootlegs made for Dawn - slaughtersun and the ep sorgh....?


/magnus

No idea, but as far as I know there aren't. And if they do exist then they should be very recent. Why do you ask?
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Tormented666
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:35 am 
 

androdion wrote:
Tormented666 wrote:
are there any known bootlegs made for Dawn - slaughtersun and the ep sorgh....?


/magnus

No idea, but as far as I know there aren't. And if they do exist then they should be very recent. Why do you ask?


just to be sure to bid/buy on originals...


how about Lord Belial - enter the moonlight gate? I bought a release with NFR020 020705118 matrix runout. not listed on discogs so am wondering.....

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androdion
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:43 am 
 

As I said, I don't think people have been bootlegging Dawn CDs, or at least if they were it's pretty unheard of. Enter The Moonlight Gate is an example of an album that isn't very rare, plus not everything is on Discogs (you wish!). The more evident fields to get bootlegs is on old school/rare thrash and black metal albums. It's the most common place for bootleggers to dwell upon. That and stuff that's OOP for immense time and suddenly appears, snap, just like that. Dawn's albums, albeit very expensive, are always up for sale very regularly. Bid with confidence! But if you want my advice get the Slaughtersun compilation, it's much more worth it than tracking down each individual release. ;)
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Tormented666
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:46 am 
 

androdion wrote:
As I said, I don't think people have been bootlegging Dawn CDs, or at least if they were it's pretty unheard of. Enter The Moonlight Gate is an example of an album that isn't very rare, plus not everything is on Discogs (you wish!). The more evident fields to get bootlegs is on old school/rare thrash and black metal albums. It's the most common place for bootleggers to dwell upon. That and stuff that's OOP for immense time and suddenly appears, snap, just like that. Dawn's albums, albeit very expensive, are always up for sale very regularly. Bid with confidence! But if you want my advice get the Slaughtersun compilation, it's much more worth it than tracking down each individual release. ;)



great stuff! thx for the replies =)

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Colonel Kurtz
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:41 am 
 

Hello!
I just bought Voivod: Rrröööaaarrr, and i wonder if it's a bootleg.
I didn't find the version of this CD on Musik-sammler and on Discogs.
The barcode is: 4006030004038
Matrix code: CD NO0403 11976
IFPI: LV31, RZ03, RZ01

Anybody could tell me more about this CD?

PS: sorry for my bad english

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Tormented666
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:30 am 
 

seance - fornever laid to rest 1992 cd
anyone know of any other black mark presses beside the 2 on discogs?
My matrix is A0100682981-0101 11 Sony DADC IFPI L551

thx....


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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:49 pm 
 

Colonel Kurtz wrote:
Hello!
I just bought Voivod: Rrröööaaarrr, and i wonder if it's a bootleg.
I didn't find the version of this CD on Musik-sammler and on Discogs.
The barcode is: 4006030004038
Matrix code: CD NO0403 11976
IFPI: LV31, RZ03, RZ01

Anybody could tell me more about this CD?

PS: sorry for my bad english


Got a catalogue number and label for us?
It's possibly just a repress or reissue...

I think you'll find IFPI: LV31 is IFPI LU31
Looks like it was made by http://www.discogs.com/label/3BC

Where did you buy it from and how was it sold to you? eg was it sold as an 'original' or 'first press' etc?
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LuciferianImperium
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:48 pm 
 

Hello, noticed someone on here mentioning a possible bootleg of Gorgut's Obscura. I actually bought from the same seller last year and I'm pretty sure it's a fake but figured i'd verify first. It was 25$, a bargain.... if it's real.
Notice how The Art of Sombre Ecstasy is misspelled as arc. Maybe it's just me but the colors appear to be a different shade of green. Thanks.
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:59 pm 
 

The colours don't look quite right, especially the rear cover
In the matrix can you make out any other text, possibly 'stamped' or etched too?

La Vie Est Prélude... has ... on the end but is missing from yours

That matrix font is wrong too and the bands are different colours but that's hard to tell in your photo
But definitely the font!
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LuciferianImperium
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:39 pm 
 

Nope can't see anything on the matrix. Was a pain in the ass to take that stupid photo.
So I take it it's official I am the shamed owner of a bootleg, sucks I spent forever looking for a affordable version of Obscura. Art is also misspelled as arc on the tray artwork. Going to try and get my money back on amazon.
For anyone interested the sellers name was hfstyui.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:48 pm 
 

Yeah? my copy here has some other info in it too: http://www.discogs.com/release/4246647

Barcode: 6 00863 31292 2
Matrix / Runout: 008 633 129-2 01 ! C
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L005
Mould SID Code: IFPI 0367
Other (Mould Stamp): MADE IN USA BY PMDC


The last two entries are pressed into the plastic
Also the C in the Matrix / Runout: 008 633 129-2 01 ! C is etched
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LuciferianImperium
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:40 am 
 

Thanks for all the information. It's appears to be a rarity as it is, the colors, typos, matrix, too many inconsistancies for it to be legit. Now to get my refund, hopefully I can get the refund with out giving the CD back that would be ideal. When I first bought it I was a tad cynical but I thought who the fuck would press up Gorgut's Obscura bootlegs, I just didn't think there was a big enough audience for that. Guess I was dead wrong. Still surprises me though I thought bootlegging was a thing of the past, at least for CDs. Guess I don't listen to enough kvlt music.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:42 am 
 

Bootlegging scumbags rip off less sought after albums than that too for some odd reason... :crash:
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LuciferianImperium
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:56 am 
 

Don't worry i'm going to find whoever did this, kidnap them and play Obscura full blast over and over until they absolutely regret ever having a hand in pressing up more copies of it.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:03 am 
 

They are a waste of mortality for sure

Check these out for some more info
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix
http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/sid-code-implementation-guide.pdf pdf file

You're sure it has no mould sid code?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:06 am 
 

Oh look
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The hfstyui Storefront is temporarily unavailable from the Seller. Please try again at a later time or search for the product on Amazon using the search above.


http://www.amazon.com/shops/A2MCWMG3LHZFTN
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LuciferianImperium
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:37 am 
 

Hahahaha, I got suckered. No matter, amazon will hopefully refund it. I wonder if I have other bootlegs now... going to check.

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Marmer
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:28 am 
 

hello all, i just got this cd from someone i traded a first press pungent stench cd with..

Im almost sure ive been punked by this ass. But please anyone? Who has the origina Running Wild - Under Jolly Roger cd. c
an send me the proof for being buttfucked while i was laughing...??

this is the thing i got in.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:31 am 
 

That can't possibly be the original Under Jolly Roger release, it has a SID code (IFPI L032 seen there) and those only started being used in 1994. It can be a reissue or, more likely (mainly because of that weird font), a bootleg.
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Marmer
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:08 am 
 

I have the same idea. so im screwed.. thnx for the info.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:29 pm 
 

That is a weird looking font, there are quite a few RW bootlegs around aren't there? I'm not at all familiar with this band.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:35 pm 
 

That font is definitely wrong Marmer, it's too straight and clean. Plus the SID code's there. :(
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:22 pm 
 

japc, androdion and dreadmeat have looked at a lot of CD matrices :crash:
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:38 am 
 

Thnx all for the dissapointing info ;) i will mail the jerk. That he ripped me..
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:53 am 
 

I also have 2 CDs with quite strange matrix codes, so what do you think, boots or not?

Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part I, no IFPI
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Nuclear Assault - Gane Over / The Plague, no IFPI
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Marmer
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:56 am 
 

Nuclear Assault's looking strange to me as well. Helloween i dont know.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:03 am 
 

I've never seen the actual Combat press of that NA edition, though I have to say it's amusing to find three identical copies for sale on Ebay. From China, Japan and Korea! I don't know, I don't know...

The Helloween CD seems legit, but I've never seen those old matrices in such detail (as to count how many dots on the dashes and whatnot). Someone else might confirm this.
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Tormented666
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:26 am 
 

Tormented666 wrote:
seance - fornever laid to rest 1992 cd
anyone know of any other black mark presses beside the 2 on discogs?
My matrix is A0100682981-0101 11 Sony DADC IFPI L551

thx....


noone seen this one?

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:27 am 
 

androdion, you mean identical copy with same matrix code? I have never seen bootleggers from Japan. Much of them from China and some of them from Korea.
2 Combat releases submitted on discogs have different matrix.
Person who sold me that CD told me, that he got in 90s, when worked on some label. Maybe lied, maybe not..
Price wasn't very high, so I'm also confused.

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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:07 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
androdion, you mean identical copy with same matrix code? I have never seen bootleggers from Japan. Much of them from China and some of them from Korea.
2 Combat releases submitted on discogs have different matrix.
Person who sold me that CD told me, that he got in 90s, when worked on some label. Maybe lied, maybe not..
Price wasn't very high, so I'm also confused.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1042281993
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nuclear-Assault ... 0655902531
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1219115467

I can't make out all the matrices on the provided pictures, but as I was saying those are three identical copies which just happen to be for sale right now. But if you got it from a trusted seller then you should be alright.
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:37 pm 
 

Nuclear Assault looks totally different to mine
http://www.discogs.com/Nuclear-Assault-Game-Over-The-Plague/release/1841886
The font to me looks a bit odd on both of those CDs, usually it's not lots of little dots with spaces :scratch:
Your Nuclear Assault has a 1 stamped in the centre, correct?

Also just because something doesn't have ifpi codes doesn't make it a bootleg, they weren't introduced until about 1994 so anything older than that just won't have them.
Represses and reissues likely will though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:17 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1042281993
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nuclear-Assault ... 0655902531
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUCLEAR-ASSAULT ... 1219115467
I can't make out all the matrices on the provided pictures, but as I was saying those are three identical copies which just happen to be for sale right now. But if you got it from a trusted seller then you should be alright.


"DIDX" or "Mastered by Nimbus" matrixes, both versions represented on discogs.

Looks like I could have legit version, but where it was manufactured, this is mystery.

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