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DestruicaoMetalica
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:24 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
That itunes info means nothing, it's the same as Freedb or CDDB etc and not really version specific, the repress, reissue and original could all just be lumped together.

I didn't know that, although it seems kinda obvious now, thanks for the info! I probably should have done this before, but I looked up the matrices and they both check out for the most part. On Blazon Stone, Ironforce Shop posted it as 7 96280 2 A, whereas mine is lacking the A. As for Port Royal, the CD has the same matrix as the French edition based on info from Discogs, but the inserts have the barcode of the German edition. Is this info, even with its slight discrepancies, enough for me to know definitely that these aren't bootlegs?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:40 pm 
 

Unfortunately I am 99% sure that you have two (damned!) azintex bootlegs:

http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y44 ... 1cb806.jpg

look at the matrx: it looks exactly like your Port Royal copy... Blazon Stone is totally different but it doesn't match with my original copy.

Hope this helps...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:13 pm 
 

DigitalDictator wrote:
Unfortunately I am 99% sure that you have two (damned!) azintex bootlegs:

http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y44 ... 1cb806.jpg

look at the matrx: it looks exactly like your Port Royal copy... Blazon Stone is totally different but it doesn't match with my original copy.

Hope this helps...

Damn. Thanks a ton for the response, though, I'm glad to know that since I wouldn't want to sell them and give myself a bad reputation. I actually ordered what looks like a legitimate copy of Blazon Stone a few days ago without thinking about the possibility of mine being real so at least I'll have a legit copy of what is my favorite of the two.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:24 pm 
 

If you bought them from this shifty Russian bootlegging scumbag recently on Ebay you could report him and try to get your money back.
Remember the follow up feedback too.
The important thing about Discogs is it's a database of music, legitimate and not, so if it's there it can be found, if your CD's aren't there feel free to add them :nods:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:44 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
If you bought them from this shifty Russian bootlegging scumbag recently on Ebay you could report him and try to get your money back.
Remember the follow up feedback too.
The important thing about Discogs is it's a database of music, legitimate and not, so if it's there it can be found, if your CD's aren't there feel free to add them :nods:

It was actually from a trader on here, I forget the name but it started with a K, I'll have to look that up. I'll also try to find the time to add those two as boots on discogs so that anyone else with my problem can just look there.
Edit: The guy's name is Speedyk, I'm not sure if he still posts here, but be wary of trading with him.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:32 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
If you bought them from this shifty Russian bootlegging scumbag...:


Reading through the past few pages of this thread, it seems that a lot of the recent bootlegs come from countries like Russia and Greece...
Whenever i check through Discogs for a rare CD i want for my collection, the first (and cheapest) few results are always greek or russian federation sellers. Coincidence?
Do you guys think that it is in general a higher risk to buy stuff from these countries? (sorry here to the serious traders and collectors from these countries)
I have become very careful as of lately when buying CDs, as there seems to be a lot of bootleg stuff from almost everything that is 20€ and upwards.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:43 pm 
 

chaos_orb wrote:
Do you guys think that it is in general a higher risk to buy stuff from these countries? (sorry here to the serious traders and collectors from these countries)

Yes.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:39 am 
 

japc wrote:
chaos_orb wrote:
Do you guys think that it is in general a higher risk to buy stuff from these countries? (sorry here to the serious traders and collectors from these countries)

Yes.

I second this notion, and if memory serves we discussed that some pages back. Might have been on a different thread though. Be wary of other Eastern countries too because they tend to snag copies of the Russians bootlegs.

Just follow the golden rule of "if it's too good to be true then it's probably fake". That is, unless you have a non-bootleg copy from a friend or acquaintance to double check.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:25 am 
 

Hi all!
i have a Tiamat "Sumerian cry " cd, MetalCore

matrix AREACEM DIGIP CMFT 6 ifpi1A01

on label - made in england
Text around the top edge of the label - made in france
back cover - printed in france

very hope what it's not bootleg ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:29 pm 
 

Hey everyone,

I recently purchased Garden of Shadow's "Heart of The Corona" from an individual on eBay from Bulgaria. It was not their self-released Casette; it was the CD from X-Rated Records. The CD seems legitimate, but there's one thing that's bothering me: I've read that the release is supposed to be an MCD, which I believe is a mini-CD. The thing is, the CD I have is definitely not a MCD; it's standard size. I know I've read that one should be wary of sales from eastern countries, but this guy had a very good rating, and I don't think that GoS is that sought after of a band for people to create bootlegs. It's also difficult to compare because the only version of the album that is up on discogs is for the self-released Cassette.

Could someone help me out here?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:58 pm 
 

Isn't MCD another acronym representative of an EP? As in "mini-album"? :???:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:32 pm 
 

androdion: I do believe that you are correct, but I was under the impression that it's usually EPs/mini-albums that are usually placed on MCD (Mini-CDs).

I'm still a bit confused, but apparently MCD can also stand for Maxi single, which is something that's longer than a standard single (like an EP I guess). Apparently Cassette Maxi-singles exist, and I do believe that this is what was being referred to when I saw "MCD" next to Heart of the Corona. I believe it represents the original 4-track demo, a cassette maxi-single. I mixed this up with the album (on CD) that was released via X-rated Records.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:15 am 
 

You're a bit confused indeed, let me talk some sense into you. :P

The differentiation between a Single and a Maxi Single is the number of available songs, while at the same time retaining the song that's the actual "single". Think of it as something along the lines of a 2 track CD (Single) vs a 4 track CD (Maxi Single). Those can be released in whatever format though, and the acronym MCD is used for that kind of releases. Likewise, an EP can be printed to vinyl, CD or tape, but it's always an EP (Extended Play).

Hope this clears your doubts. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:02 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
You're a bit confused indeed, let me talk some sense into you. :P

The differentiation between a Single and a Maxi Single is the number of available songs, while at the same time retaining the song that's the actual "single". Think of it as something along the lines of a 2 track CD (Single) vs a 4 track CD (Maxi Single). Those can be released in whatever format though, and the acronym MCD is used for that kind of releases. Likewise, an EP can be printed to vinyl, CD or tape, but it's always an EP (Extended Play).

Hope this clears your doubts. ;)



That was interesting, thanks! :)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:45 am 
 

androdion wrote:
You're a bit confused indeed, let me talk some sense into you. :P

The differentiation between a Single and a Maxi Single is the number of available songs, while at the same time retaining the song that's the actual "single". Think of it as something along the lines of a 2 track CD (Single) vs a 4 track CD (Maxi Single). Those can be released in whatever format though, and the acronym MCD is used for that kind of releases. Likewise, an EP can be printed to vinyl, CD or tape, but it's always an EP (Extended Play).

Hope this clears your doubts. ;)


Well, that certainly was an educational experience! I understand what a Maxi-single/MCD is now :).

Unfortunately, I am still very confused about this Mini-CD though. In this interview, the guitarist from Garden of Shadows explicitly mentions the 6-track, Mini-CD version of "Heart of the Corona":http://www.roughedge.com/features/gardenofshadowsinter.htm

Perhaps both a Mini-CD and CD version exist, but I haven't been able to verify that myself. I've actually been in contact with one of the guitarists from GoS, so maybe I'll just ask them.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:07 pm 
 

To be honest I think it's a matter of interpretation there. People have by now stated countless times that the demo put to CD format became sort of their debut album. But back then bands would just call that kind of stint an EP (mini-album), because it was just a slightly redone demo and not a proper full-length. Reverend Bizarre for instance have EPs which are over an hour long, and why?! Because they say something along the lines of "it only has like three real songs, rest is interludes/covers".

I've done some checking and there's the demo tape self-financed by the band. Then they signed to X-Rated which reissued the demo on CD with a new song, and later on the "proper debut" Oracle Moon. So all in all I think it's just a case of interpretation, even more when you read his words in that interview. If you trade "mini-CD" with "EP" the sentence still makes sense. That's my honest opinion.

Either way, you can do one thing to appease your mind. Ask for pictures of other X-Rated matrices and compare font type and size, as well as pressing plants (although that may not prove anything in the end). Check other albums from the label on MA users' collections and PM them. Or in alternative, if any kind soul has an actual X-Rated original CD to post it here... ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:32 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
To be honest I think it's a matter of interpretation there. People have by now stated countless times that the demo put to CD format became sort of their debut album. But back then bands would just call that kind of stint an EP (mini-album), because it was just a slightly redone demo and not a proper full-length. Reverend Bizarre for instance have EPs which are over an hour long, and why?! Because they say something along the lines of "it only has like three real songs, rest is interludes/covers".

I've done some checking and there's the demo tape self-financed by the band. Then they signed to X-Rated which reissued the demo on CD with a new song, and later on the "proper debut" Oracle Moon. So all in all I think it's just a case of interpretation, even more when you read his words in that interview. If you trade "mini-CD" with "EP" the sentence still makes sense. That's my honest opinion.

Either way, you can do one thing to appease your mind. Ask for pictures of other X-Rated matrices and compare font type and size, as well as pressing plants (although that may not prove anything in the end). Check other albums from the label on MA users' collections and PM them. Or in alternative, if any kind soul has an actual X-Rated original CD to post it here... ;)


I think you're right; it's a matter of interpretation. I will try to message someone on here just to check though. I'll post here when I get a response.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:04 am 
 

Hi, I'm back again with another Running Wild question. I bought two CDs from ebay seller "PostalMadness" of Blazon Stone and Death or Glory. The matrix of Blazon Stone, "Sonopress F-1876 / 7962802" appears to be legitimate, but the Death or Glory CD seems a bit odd. Firstly, the matrix is the same as the Catalogue number with an added "01!" at the end (The whole thing is "WK 45495 01!") - is this common with US Noise CDs? What I find to be the more weird thing is that it is the original US press from 1989, but it includes the four bonus tracks featured on the reissue, with no mention of those anywhere but on the CD itself. They look more much legitimate than those boots I posted earlier, but is there any chance that either is a bootleg? I can also scan them in like I did last time if that would help.
Edit: I was just looking at my other Running Wild CDs, and I'm worried that my copy of Gates to Purgatory is a bootleg too. The matrix is "CD 001 = NCD 001 MPO 07 @@@@ 9 05" - There's a picture of the Azintex bootleg that I found but I can't make out it's matrix. Sorry to ask so much, I just love Running Wild and really want to be sure that none of my CDs of theirs are fakes.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:16 am 
 

Running Wild CDs are a bitch when it comes to bootlegs. :(

I'm aware that the Noise US editions have those kind of matrices, with WK followed by the five digit CAT#. Can't vouch for the rest, but it isn't unusual for matrices to have "01" and that kind of stuff. Never knew what it was all about but I've seen it a lot. Now if it features bonus tracks...

Case in point is that Noise CDs floating around nowadays are virtually 99% bootlegs. Either you know you're buying from a trusted seller or it just isn't worth it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:02 am 
 

I could help you only with Gates of Purgatory: post a photo of the matrix and I'll compare it to my original cd ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:32 am 
 

Thanks to both of you! DigitalDictator, here's the image:
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:32 pm 
 

My matrix is slightly different (CD 001 MPO 02 @@ 12 01) but the font is identical, so I think you have a legit copy ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:57 pm 
 

DigitalDictator wrote:
My matrix is slightly different (CD 001 MPO 02 @@ 12 01) but the font is identical, so I think you have a legit copy ;)

Awesome! I'm sure they're just slightly different editions released around the same time. I realized my Noise Watchtower CD has a similar matrix and was afraid that it was a boot made by the same person, but now I'm no longer worried :)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:34 pm 
 

There's a load of official Control And Resistance editions. I also have one with a similar matrix that happens to be the late nineties reissue, already with the email address on the back cover.

But to be sure just buy the Divebomb reissue, that'll do it. :p
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:08 pm 
 

DestruicaoMetalica: in my copy of Gates of Purgatory, track 9 is cut at 4:37, while fading out... does it happen in your copy too? thanks in advance!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:18 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
There's a load of official Control And Resistance editions. I also have one with a similar matrix that happens to be the late nineties reissue, already with the email address on the back cover.

But to be sure just buy the Divebomb reissue, that'll do it. :p

Yeah, that's the edition I've got as well - I thought it was an original for the longest time and was instantly bummed when I noticed the email. I've noticed Divebomb doing a lot of killer releases lately, that reminds me that I've gotta pick up the Scanner and Deathrow reissues. Great that these impossible to find classics are finally getting a proper re-release!
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DestruicaoMetalica: in my copy of Gates of Purgatory, track 9 is cut at 4:37, while fading out... does it happen in your copy too? thanks in advance!!

I haven't listened to it in a real long time, but I definitely remember that happening, that exact timing in the track certainly rings a bell. I saw a large, thick scratch near where that track would be located on the CD so I figured that was what caused it, but I guess I was wrong!
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:14 am 
 

Just realized that I have a fake copy of Crematory's Act Seven. The CD says it's a Massacre Records release copyright 2007 but when I checked on their website it doesn't have it listed as one of their releases. Damn that blows. :annoyed:
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:18 am 
 

Erosion Of Humanity wrote:
Just realized that I have a fake copy of Crematory's Act Seven. The CD says it's a Massacre Records release copyright 2007 but when I checked on their website it doesn't have it listed as one of their releases. Damn that blows. :annoyed:

Considering it was released on Nuclear Blast... :roll:
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androdion wrote:
Erosion Of Humanity wrote:
Just realized that I have a fake copy of Crematory's Act Seven. The CD says it's a Massacre Records release copyright 2007 but when I checked on their website it doesn't have it listed as one of their releases. Damn that blows. :annoyed:

Considering it was released on Nuclear Blast... :roll:


Yeah well until recently I wasn't really into making sure what I bought was real and I'm pretty sure I bought it online from amazon or something like that. It just meefs me that it is fake that's all.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:35 pm 
 

Does anyone know what the earliest pressing of Running Wild's Death or Glory was that received the Wild Animal bonus tracks? Or whether eBay user postalmadness is legit?
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Erosion Of Humanity wrote:
Just realized that I have a fake copy of Crematory's Act Seven. The CD says it's a Massacre Records release copyright 2007 but when I checked on their website it doesn't have it listed as one of their releases. Damn that blows. :annoyed:

Mate, be sure its original not fake. Some re-released or re-issued cds not mentioned on the band's or Label's site, maybe they state it as news on their pages. In addition to Act seven isnt a rare and expensive cd and can be found easily in many platforms therefore its in vain act to produce it as fake or bootleg and sell.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:55 am 
 

welten wrote:
Hi all!
i have a Tiamat "Sumerian cry " cd, MetalCore

matrix AREACEM DIGIP CMFT 6 ifpi1A01

on label - made in england
Text around the top edge of the label - made in france
back cover - printed in france

very hope what it's not bootleg ;)

First press one is on CMFT and its without any IFPI. The Second press is on Metal Core without any IFPI. Your cd is not a Bootleg but its a Re-Press of Second press (Due to its IFPI)

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:37 am 
 

XcKyle93 wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently purchased Garden of Shadow's "Heart of The Corona" from an individual on eBay from Bulgaria. It was not their self-released Casette; it was the CD from X-Rated Records. The CD seems legitimate, but there's one thing that's bothering me: I've read that the release is supposed to be an MCD, which I believe is a mini-CD. The thing is, the CD I have is definitely not a MCD; it's standard size. I don't think that GoS is that sought after of a band for people to create bootlegs.

Could someone help me out here?

MCD does not refer to shape and physical of cd, it refers to time, tracks and pages of booklet and price of cd!!!(time is between 15-30 min and booklet usually has 4 pages and the number of track is 3-6 Tracks and in normal case MCD is cheaper than normal CD) And it is released as Normal CD or 3" inch CD or Sleeve card version. But most of them were/are released as Normal CD and few as Sleeve card and 3" Inch version.

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 6:26 pm 
 

Two questions:

1. Is there a bootleg edition of the first Saint Vitus album on SST Records? If yes how can you tell the bootleg from the original?
2. As far as I know there are 3 versions of the 2CD reissue of both Holy Terror albums but supposedly each one of them has some problems with skipping on one of the discs. Is this correct or is there a proper/good version you should buy? Or just stick to the expensive as hell Japan editions?

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:07 am 
 

Thanks, Grief_Of_Adoration! :)
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welten wrote:
Thanks, Grief_Of_Adoration! :)

Welcome my friend ;)

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Please guys i need some help in finding an Death Metal album and i don't really know if this is the right place to ask.
I've completely forgotten the name of the band(i remember it's not English) and the album title, but i have vague recollections of the cover art.
Its two guys(i think) wearing leather jackets, with bullet belts. The photograph was taken in the woods and looks more like a Black Metal album cover. I think it was released in the early 2000s

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:57 pm 
 

are there any known bootlegs made for Dawn - slaughtersun and the ep sorgh....?


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androdion
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:29 pm 
 

Tormented666 wrote:
are there any known bootlegs made for Dawn - slaughtersun and the ep sorgh....?


/magnus

No idea, but as far as I know there aren't. And if they do exist then they should be very recent. Why do you ask?
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Tormented666
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:35 am 
 

androdion wrote:
Tormented666 wrote:
are there any known bootlegs made for Dawn - slaughtersun and the ep sorgh....?


/magnus

No idea, but as far as I know there aren't. And if they do exist then they should be very recent. Why do you ask?


just to be sure to bid/buy on originals...


how about Lord Belial - enter the moonlight gate? I bought a release with NFR020 020705118 matrix runout. not listed on discogs so am wondering.....

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