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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:17 pm 
 

Alex_Carnifex wrote:
I sense some bias.

What bias would that be? Only the grindcore bands which are considered metal enough are accepted. What is metal enough is something where opinions often differ, but that's life.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:46 pm 
 

As a guy who's from the Chicago area, who's seen Oceano grow and explode in popularity, who's been inundated with fans from all around due to local celebrity, I can attest 100% that they are unacceptable deathcore. The death metal elements of their music are miniscule compared to the giant hardcore influence. The songs are based on the breakdowns, not the death metal riffs, and even then the death metal parts are pretty few and far between. Oceano is all about the big slamdowns, not the riffing.

And we don't accept or reject bands based on quality, if we did that, Oceano would've been blacklisted the day they formed.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:52 pm 
 

Alex_Carnifex wrote:
Last time I checked excessive blast beats was metallic.

Yeah, right...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:18 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
ThePoop wrote:
Why was Apocynthion from Spain blacklisted? Perhaps it was because a lack of a full length, but they just released one.
http://apocynthion.bandcamp.com/album/sidereus-nuncius


Sounds like post-rock to me, I don't hear any metal guitar riffing in there. Not at all metal, the distorted/growled sections are basically the same thing as the clean sections but with growls and distortion as an aesthetic, there aren't any metal riffs in there.

Fair enough. There is definitely a good amount of post-rock. I found the distorted/growled sections to be more like riffing from Katatonia-ish doom or maybe from some of the more glossy DSBM projects. (Even some big epic riffs like Agalloch) Not the heaviest style, but I do believe the clean sections are different than the distorted stuff. Still an enjoyable band for anyone to check out who enjoys music in that vein. But it hath been decided!
(Damn! And The Encyclopedia Shoegazium: The Post-Rock archives just rejected them for being too metal)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:28 pm 
 

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Their basis is obviously grind, not hardcore punk.

Lol. "Grind", this? Please learn your subgenres before using that word, thanks. :p This, this, this and this is grindcore. Not hardcore/beatdown. :rolleyes:

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Last time I checked excessive blast beats was metallic.

That's a rather creative conjecture. If you were to track blast beats to Eminem, would that make him metal? :lol:
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they payl termolo! not real riff!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:54 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
That's a rather creative conjecture. If you were to track blast beats to Eminem, would that make him metal? :lol:

If there was sufficient metal riffing.... I guess it would! ;)
Remember that Ice-T was foremost known for his rapping career but what he did with Body Count is quite different from that and much more related to this site!

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maxy666
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:55 pm 
 

I want to question something... Why some bands are added without any release and others bands cannot add claiming "their release wasn't long enough"

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:57 pm 
 

No band gets added without a valid release. The ones you're seeing with empty discographies have info on releases in the additional notes (and possibly also info visible only to mods in the submission/mod notes). In these cases, the albums haven't been added because the tracklist and/or release date isn't known.

EDIT: And if you do see a band that has no info about releases whatsoever and/or you suspect of having been wrongfully approved, you can post about it here.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:18 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
No band gets added without a valid release. The ones you're seeing with empty discographies have info on releases in the additional notes (and possibly also info visible only to mods in the submission/mod notes). In these cases, the albums haven't been added because the tracklist and/or release date isn't known.

EDIT: And if you do see a band that has no info about releases whatsoever and/or you suspect of having been wrongfully approved, you can post about it here.



Ok!! Thanks for this information.

Can i ask another question? about the minimum for the length to be valid

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:30 pm 
 

There is no exact minimum and there are other relevant factors for digital releases, explained here. But if you want numbers then it should be around 30 minutes in most cases, less under certain circumstances (see other factors).
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:40 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
There is no exact minimum and there are other relevant factors for digital releases, explained here. But if you want numbers then it should be around 30 minutes in most cases, less under certain circumstances (see other factors).



Thanks!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:40 am 
 

Curious as to why The Moth Gatherer were blacklisted - they do have passages in their tunes that aren't very metal but the vast majority of the new disc is.

http://www.themothgatherer.com/

debut album came out on the 16th
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:40 am 
 

I saw that this band was blacklisted. Why is that?

http://www.poemband.com/

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:51 am 
 

theunrelentingattack wrote:
Curious as to why The Moth Gatherer were blacklisted - they do have passages in their tunes that aren't very metal but the vast majority of the new disc is.

http://www.themothgatherer.com/

debut album came out on the 16th

Blacklist says "Atmospheric post-rock with thick production and ambient interludes. No riffing." I listened to two tracks on their homepage and have to agree with that.

matthewaos wrote:
I saw that this band was blacklisted. Why is that?

http://www.poemband.com/

Blacklist says "modern grunge/prog rock". That one song does point in that direction. Is the rest any different? Can you provide more samples?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:16 pm 
 

Sergiy from Moloch (and owner of Depressive Illusions Records) added my project Night Terrorist to the Archives and I'm curious as to why it was blacklisted? I've released a tape and cd on his label, and I play depressive black metal. There's only a 3 song demo out now and one of the songs is noise, but the other ones are DEFINITELY metal. Proof: http://nightterrorist.bandcamp.com/track/reduced-to-nothing

There's a new release coming out that's all depressive/raw black metal. But even so, I don't understand why Night Terrorist was rejected.

PHYSICAL RELEASE: http://depressiveillusions.com/items/tape/black-metal-pagan-metal-blackgaze/night-terrorist-pneumothorax

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:19 pm 
 

That's one intro, one ambient/clean guitar track and one track with distorted droning guitars and shrieks. If you release anything new and think it's metal enough you can post about it here again and we'll reconsider based on the music provided.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:07 pm 
 

matthewaos wrote:
I saw that this band was blacklisted. Why is that?

http://www.poemband.com/

Blacklist says "modern grunge/prog rock". That one song does point in that direction. Is the rest any different? Can you provide more samples?[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG6jcidGtgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb00GkZtK6k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSRiDY3h2s

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:41 pm 
 

Yeah no, that's rock.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:03 pm 
 

Hi,

I would like to object to the rejection of Soma Ras ( http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Soma_Ras/3540358766 ).

They were rejected because they were "gonna need more than a 13-minute long demo before they can be admitted to the site" - but other bands such as Smaragos have been admitted although they only have an even less than 13-minute long demo out ("EP" by Smaragos is 11:16 long: http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Smaragos/EP/305554 ).

Now, Smaragos have some band members that are also in other bands that are on the Archives and thus may qualify as a side-project band - but Soma Ras have that as well. They have (ex-)members of Conducting from the Grave, Mucus Membrane and With Passion.

Or is there any other reason why Smaragos have been admitted while Soma Ras haven't been?

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:22 pm 
 

Read the rules regarding digital-only releases. Smaragos have a physical release.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:41 pm 
 

I made the profile of Soma Ras with a little mistake and i report. I put a proof with a photo showing that there is a physical release... and i think will be considered.


by the way, i made a profile from the band Arreat Summit but was rejected because the unique proof is the digital release on Bandcamp.. http://arreatsummit.bandcamp.com/

it's a melodic death metal/deathcore band and i want to know can be reconsider or not or somenthing like that.

thx

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:29 am 
 

Vautour: Yeah, you should've mentioned it's a physical release.

maxy666: How sloppy of you. :P I changed the titles.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:44 am 
 

RonimuZ wrote:
Vautour: Yeah, you should've mentioned it's a physical release.



It's news to me that Soma Ras are supposed to have a physical release. :-D

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Azmodes wrote:
That's one intro, one ambient/clean guitar track and one track with distorted droning guitars and shrieks. If you release anything new and think it's metal enough you can post about it here again and we'll reconsider based on the music provided.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... jmy2Hcw07I

New Night Terrorist song from demo "I Choose Black"

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Vautour wrote:
RonimuZ wrote:
Vautour: Yeah, you should've mentioned it's a physical release.



It's news to me that Soma Ras are supposed to have a physical release. :-D

How is that news to you?

We put more weight on physical over digital releases. If it's a 13 minute demo released physically, then it might be acceptable. If it's a digital-only release, then no, that wont be acceptable.

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Malediktum wrote:
Hi! I was added band called "Dejuvenation" (Russia) and it was been blacklisted. The reason: "Not metal band". Genre was titled as "progressive death metal". This band have demo released as CD-r, but this demo have only 2 tracks as "progressive death" and 2 tracks (intro+outro) as "space ambient". I found the reason in it.
But, recently (April 2013), this band finished work under the full-length album. This album is released as web-release in the meanwhile, but you can listen all songs from album in "Audio" on VK official page or Soundcloud. Genre on the album is voiced as progressive metal + death metal. Listen: http://vk.com/dejuvenation or http://soundcloud.com/dejuvenation to make certain in "metalness" (except tracks 1 & 6).
If band have demo as physical release (but "not enough metalness") and have full-length with evident "metalness" (but not released as physical release and as digital release for official downloading), can I add this band again?
Thanks.

Sorry, will anybody answer this question?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:17 am 
 

evlsk8er wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
That's one intro, one ambient/clean guitar track and one track with distorted droning guitars and shrieks. If you release anything new and think it's metal enough you can post about it here again and we'll reconsider based on the music provided.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... jmy2Hcw07I

New Night Terrorist song from demo "I Choose Black"

Well, that does sound more acceptable in a way. Any proof that "I Choose Black" is released in a valid format? How many songs on there? If there's more tracks on the release, that short song alone won't do, we need more samples. If that song is the only thing constituting the "demo", it isn't enough either.

Malediktum wrote:
Malediktum wrote:
Hi! I was added band called "Dejuvenation" (Russia) and it was been blacklisted. The reason: "Not metal band". Genre was titled as "progressive death metal". This band have demo released as CD-r, but this demo have only 2 tracks as "progressive death" and 2 tracks (intro+outro) as "space ambient". I found the reason in it.
But, recently (April 2013), this band finished work under the full-length album. This album is released as web-release in the meanwhile, but you can listen all songs from album in "Audio" on VK official page or Soundcloud. Genre on the album is voiced as progressive metal + death metal. Listen: http://vk.com/dejuvenation or http://soundcloud.com/dejuvenation to make certain in "metalness" (except tracks 1 & 6).
If band have demo as physical release (but "not enough metalness") and have full-length with evident "metalness" (but not released as physical release and as digital release for official downloading), can I add this band again?
Thanks.

Sorry, will anybody answer this question?

It sounds potentially okay to me. But that full-length is only available for streaming? I can't find any download options.

We require the metal release(s) of a band to be valid as well, a physical non-metal demo won't do, neither will a streaming-only metal full-length.
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Azmodes wrote:
But that full-length is only available for streaming? I can't find any download options.
We require the metal release(s) of a band to be valid as well, a physical non-metal demo won't do, neither will a streaming-only metal full-length.

Yes, full-length is only available for streaming, and physical is only "non-metal" demo.
Thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:30 am 
 

I see. I've updated the blacklist note to reflect that. If anything changes with the full-length's availability, you know where to post.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:09 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
Vautour wrote:
It's news to me that Soma Ras are supposed to have a physical release. :-D

How is that news to you?

We put more weight on physical over digital releases. If it's a 13 minute demo released physically, then it might be acceptable. If it's a digital-only release, then no, that wont be acceptable.



No, that's not what I meant. I meant that it's news to me that their demo is supposed to have been physically released. Mostly because it isn't for sale anywhere. (Although it may of course have been sold at live shows.)

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Probably that and https://www.facebook.com/somarasband/po ... 9432607642

maxy666 also included a photo of some guy holding a physical copy with his submission.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:11 pm 
 

About my request for LIFE DEMISE
Sorry for resubmit it without any changes
you asked for a evidence about the physical existence of their old demo
here it is:
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1769/c360 ... 800578.jpg

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:20 pm 
 

Headless_Cynic wrote:
About my request for LIFE DEMISE
Sorry for resubmit it without any changes
you asked for a evidence about the physical existence of their old demo
here it is:
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1769/c360 ... 800578.jpg


That's good, you may resubmit.

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It was rejected because there are no proves that there are real albums, but I sent a link where it can be downloaded.

You can also find information here: http://suicidalministries.blogspot.ca/2 ... crisy.html

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Quote:
New Night Terrorist song from demo "I Choose Black"
Well, that does sound more acceptable in a way. Any proof that "I Choose Black" is released in a valid format? How many songs on there? If there's more tracks on the release, that short song alone won't do, we need more samples. If that song is the only thing constituting the "demo", it isn't enough either.


http://nightterrorist.bandcamp.com/album/i-choose-black

It's available digitally on bandcamp, and soon to be physically on Cd-R limited to 5.

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Metal Pakistuf wrote:
It was rejected because there are no proves that there are real albums, but I sent a link where it can be downloaded.

You can also find information here: http://suicidalministries.blogspot.ca/2 ... crisy.html

Thanks :)


That's not an official band page, is it?

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New Night Terrorist song from demo "I Choose Black"
Well, that does sound more acceptable in a way. Any proof that "I Choose Black" is released in a valid format? How many songs on there? If there's more tracks on the release, that short song alone won't do, we need more samples. If that song is the only thing constituting the "demo", it isn't enough either.


http://nightterrorist.bandcamp.com/album/i-choose-black

It's available digitally on bandcamp, and soon to be physically on Cd-R limited to 5.


That's not a valid release. Read the rules regarding "valid digital releases".

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Quote:
That's not a valid release. Read the rules regarding "valid digital releases"


That's why I said it's being released physically also.

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Could you tell me what doesn't fit? I'm not trying to be rude. I just read it and i thought It fits all of this really:


Valid Digital Releases?
While physical releases are preferred, digital distribution is now more than common and predominant, and as of 2013, we are now also accepting digital-only releases -- with some caveats. Here are criteria for a band's digital release to be accepted:

Official Distribution: The album must be available through an official and/or permanent (as "permanent" as Internet sites go, anyway) channel. This means sending us a link to a Mediafire-hosted .rar file is not good enough (could be faked too easily). You must show us where this album is hosted (such as a band's official site, a serious digital distributor, etc.) Note, this does not mean free albums are excluded.
Quality Download: No streaming-only (such as on MySpace or YouTube); the digital album must be available as a full high-quality download, preferably in lossless format.
Length of material: The album must be a full-length. There is no hard-defined cut-off, as that would be arbitrary: a good guideline, however, would be roughly 30 minutes of original material. This is to avoid the kind of bands that have a lazy "promo single", or a "3 song EP", of which 2 are covers, for instance. Expect moderator discretion for evaluating this. An EP may be accepted depending on the situation. Two EPs are better than one, for sure.
Fixed tracklist: The album must have a fixed tracklisting. An assorted bunch of songs posted every now and then on ReverbNation is not an "EP" or a "demo". Another song posted later is not "demo 2". And so on.
Final mix: No rehearsals, raw promos, rough mixes of any kinds are accepted for digital releases. Only finished, professional albums.
Cover art: The album should ideally have a cover art, since it serves as a visual identifier for a collection of songs and can be used for making a DIY physical release, should the buyer want the songs on a CD for his/her personal collection. If the digital release has a fully defined cover (and preferably not just a logo on a white background), it will go a long way into making it more serious. Liner notes and inserts are even better.

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First of all, these two releases on BandCamp don't even total 30 minutes. They give me an overall vibe of demos, not finished, professional albums, so I wouldn't even consider them a full-length if they were put together, they're clearly demos.

The most apparent is this guideline: "Final mix: No rehearsals, raw promos, rough mixes of any kinds are accepted for digital releases. Only finished, professional albums."

This is not a finished, professional album. The volume levels are inconsistent, which is an overt mark of amateur production. The drums are clearly programmed and synthesized poorly, the rapid snare fills are choppy blurs of MIDI-type samples. The vocals are clipping and tinny, which is sometimes a production choice, but in this case they just come across as being poorly recorded. The lack of compression and equalization on them queues me to it being an amateur production. There is little, if any mixing overall on this release. There's no way I would consider something a "finished, professional album" if the engineering could be vastly improved by reading the recording and mixing guides in the musicians forum.

In short, this is a poor amateur recording, not a finished, professional product.. I've gotten better production from a pocket-sized dictation recorder on the far end of a rehearsal room.

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Zodijackyl wrote:
First of all, these two releases on BandCamp don't even total 30 minutes. They give me an overall vibe of demos, not finished, professional albums, so I wouldn't even consider them a full-length if they were put together, they're clearly demos.

The most apparent is this guideline: "Final mix: No rehearsals, raw promos, rough mixes of any kinds are accepted for digital releases. Only finished, professional albums."

This is not a finished, professional album. The volume levels are inconsistent, which is an overt mark of amateur production. The drums are clearly programmed and synthesized poorly, the rapid snare fills are choppy blurs of MIDI-type samples. The vocals are clipping and tinny, which is sometimes a production choice, but in this case they just come across as being poorly recorded. The lack of compression and equalization on them queues me to it being an amateur production. There is little, if any mixing overall on this release. There's no way I would consider something a "finished, professional album" if the engineering could be vastly improved by reading the recording and mixing guides in the musicians forum.

In short, this is a poor amateur recording, not a finished, professional product.. I've gotten better production from a pocket-sized dictation recorder on the far end of a rehearsal room.


Pretty unnecessary, but okay. If that's how It's chosen to be recorded and there are physical releases then why isn't it accepted? It's not a "finished, professional album", they're both DEMOS. Both PHYSICALLY released (one is about to be).

I will take your advice, and work on it. As long as I'm able to fix it and still be allowed on here, It's all okay.

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