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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:59 pm 
 

I only say experimental because ambience they give off is hard to define but it still is Doom/Black/Hardcore Punk.
I saw then live a few years ago and they only had that two songs demo I put up on the submission draft.

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Opus
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:29 pm 
 

apocalyman wrote:
pure biker's old school heavy metal

Is that a genre?
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Smyrma
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:59 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Smyrma wrote:
Is the band Ides of Gemini metal enough for the Archives? I have not tried to submit them yet. Sorta gothic, sorta post-metal. You can listen to their first EP here and they have a full-length out as well called Constantinople.

http://idesofgemini.bandcamp.com/

Don't want to go through the trouble of submitting them yet because I think there's a 50/50 chance they'll be rejected. Metal or not, they're fantastic.


This isn't what the thread is for, holmes. We have a lot of work to do with bands already submitted, we're not going to go out of our way to give a preliminary assessment. If you think they're probably not metal, then I'd refrain from submitting in the first place, but if you think they are, then go for it. You'll find out when we get to it.


Couldn't find a thread that fit my purpose and "will this be rejected" seems close to "why was this rejected."

Thanks to Azmodes for answering my question!

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Subcide
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:58 pm 
 

I just received this after waiting over a month:

"Can we have a few more song samples to judge the band's music on, please? You linked us to one acceptable track and one cover track; and as we don't judge a band's sound by cover songs, we need original material to listen to."

Previously I received this:

"Can you please provide proof of metalness (a link to song samples)? Emphasis on the plural."

My initial sample, before being asked to provide more than one, was the cover song. Why was this being an issue not highlighted to me in response to my previous submission?

Also I was asked to provide music samples to prove the "Metalness" of the band. Could someone please explain to me the logic behind this? .i.e. how is a sample of a metal cover version of a metal song not proof of "Metalness"?

Frustrating!

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:32 pm 
 

Subcide wrote:
My initial sample, before being asked to provide more than one, was the cover song. Why was this being an issue not highlighted to me in response to my previous submission?

To be honest, I'm not sure. But in either case, you really should've provided more than one song sample - hence why the previous moderator's rejection message included "Emphasis on the plural". :p

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How is a sample of a metal cover version of a metal song not proof of "Metalness"?

Because an otherwise unacceptable/non-metal band can always play a metallic form of a metal band's song. Cover songs say nothing of the "metalness" of a band's original material.
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grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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apocalyman
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:38 pm 
 

Opus wrote:
apocalyman wrote:
pure biker's old school heavy metal

Is that a genre?


Are you serious?

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:47 pm 
 

apocalyman wrote:
Are you serious?

I think Opus meant the "pure biker's old school" bit, which he mistook for a genre descriptor. :p
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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Subcide
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:54 pm 
 

Alhadis wrote:
Subcide wrote:
My initial sample, before being asked to provide more than one, was the cover song. Why was this being an issue not highlighted to me in response to my previous submission?

To be honest, I'm not sure. But in either case, you really should've provided more than one song sample - hence why the previous moderator's rejection message included "Emphasis on the plural". :p


I understand that and was not questioning it. I was questioning why I was not informed that a cover song was not acceptable in the initial rejection notice when that was what I had submitted.

Alhadis wrote:
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How is a sample of a metal cover version of a metal song not proof of "Metalness"?

Because an otherwise unacceptable/non-metal band can always play a metallic form of a metal band's song. Cover songs say nothing of the "metalness" of a band's original material.


Thank you for clarifying this Once again I ask why I was not informed of this in the original rejection notice?

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:09 pm 
 

Subcide wrote:
Once again I ask why I was not informed of this in the original rejection notice?

Because moderators are only human and even we make mistakes sometimes too, you know. ;)
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:13 pm 
 

You're definitely not human, Alhadis ;)

Also, I can't really manage to understand why someone would think that a cover song is a good evidence...
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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:39 pm 
 

I was about to make a draft on a Sludge/Crust band from Albuquerque, New Mexico called Roñoso, but it said they are blacklisted. Why? Is it the same band or is there another band with the same name?

http://ryonikis.blogspot.com/2011/04/ro ... 8.html?m=1
Roñoso - Roñoso (2008)

http://ryonikis.blogspot.com/2011/04/ro ... 0.html?m=1
Roñoso - Seep And Destroy (2010)

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:57 pm 
 

Same band, dude.
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:06 pm 
 

Really? I just saw them live a few weeks ago and bought a record from them to submit them. What's the reason they are blacklisted?

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:30 pm 
 

Dude, take a guess... :ugh:
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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inpitch
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:39 pm 
 

Hello Azmodes, how I say bro new albulm with your metalness its done by Misanthropic Forest records (its a local label) and its in progress, by depressive illusions for other country people and tapes
link: http://on.fb.me/13vgG63

if u need download the album for listen and comprove here it
http://www.sendspace.com/file/w05knu


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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:44 pm 
 

More punk then metal.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:53 pm 
 

We have a whiner!

Inpitch, the FINAL opinion hasn't changed since last week. Please leave the hall.
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inpitch
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:24 am 
 

Metantoine wrote:
We have a whiner!

Inpitch, the FINAL opinion hasn't changed since last week. Please leave the hall.


No, I said he would return next week with copies done.

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Subcide
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:15 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
Subcide wrote:
Once again I ask why I was not informed of this in the original rejection notice?

Because moderators are only human and even we make mistakes sometimes too, you know. ;)


I just wish they hadn't taken over a month to get back to me.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:18 am 
 

Subcide wrote:
I just wish they hadn't taken over a month to get back to me.

Sorry mate, but I think you'll find "they" is actually me in this regard, and I wasn't the one responsible for the original assessment. ;) We're a team y'know. =)
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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inpitch
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:26 am 
 

And I, what decision you took?

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:52 am 
 

inpitch wrote:
And I, what decision you took?

Inpitch, you were told - rather bluntly, not to return here. Your project was deemed NOT metal, and you were warned if you continued with this game, you'll get banned.

Please fuck off.
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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BastardHead
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:17 am 
 

RazorDick wrote:
Also is there a thread were people can ask about bands that haven't been submitted yet to ask if a band is metal enough to be submitted? Because I was debating about asking here but I know this thread isn't for that


I know this was kind of glossed over but I'm going to reiterate what I said earlier: We don't tell people not to ask before submitting simply because this isn't the thread for it, we ask that you don't do it because it's basically asking for special treatment and adding yet another step to the process for us moderators. If you aren't sure if your band is metal, honestly, just don't bother submitting it unless you're confident it'll pass muster. I don't quite understand the obsession with adding kinda-close-to-metal bands to a database of metal bands. I'm not saying fuck off unless it sounds like Jag Panzer, but I'm saying that if it's a borderline genre like atmospheric sludge or post-whatever or metalcore or punky grindcore, use your better judgment and be very sure before you submit it. If you're confident that you know the line between metal and non-metal as defined by this site, you have no need to ask before submitting, because you'll know whether to submit it or not.

It's really a lot simpler than people make it out to be.
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RazorDick
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:53 am 
 

Thank you, BastardHead. What you said makes sense. Just was wondering because of a long forgotten metal band from my city that is kinda hard to define. Thank you for your assistance with my dumb question.

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Subcide
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:29 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
Subcide wrote:
I just wish they hadn't taken over a month to get back to me.

Sorry mate, but I think you'll find "they" is actually me in this regard, and I wasn't the one responsible for the original assessment. ;) We're a team y'know. =)


Cheers

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inpitch
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:46 am 
 

You said it was for me to come back with another album that really was metal, I came back and now you do not want to evaluate the whole way here, I'm not a liar like the moderator said.
I promise not to come back here ever again, but pelomenos chequem songs and draw conclusions.

http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... ne-forever

http://www.sendspace.com/file/26oslj

If you are going to ban me, thanks anyway, and sorry for the unnecessary attention that you had to give me ...

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STORMM
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:52 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
STORMM wrote:
... asit was orginally released as a digital album on the 20th of May 2012 via bandcamp. This can also be verified in the bio section of their facebook. Can I re-submit?

Nope, the tracks that're currently on Bandcamp are for streaming only. None of them are downloadable, so it doesn't apply for VR. Sorry mate.


Alhadis, I have submitted the band again mate. Pest have now the release date up as the 28th of Febuary and it is available to buy and download via their Bandcamp. Many thanks.

http://pestproductions.bandcamp.com/album/s-l-ad-astral

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:45 am 
 

The California band Beowülf had been previously blacklisted. The recent release of Jesus Freak might merit the band's inclusion, but it's still pretty Punk-influenced. In fact, I personally describe everything past the first track listed below kind of grungy, but I figured I should run it by my esteemed peers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxtzqkcNNvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM-smhx7nxY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqlUv2BwQDc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01x0uugf1eE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4zqHSOs6wA

More Metallic tracks from previous releases (musically sounds like early-Suicidal Tendencies and Motörhead):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfmbTgwTdPk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTt3O_uCBd8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sPoOL-JHaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22VJnjbEFlk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC0COMkTg9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvF3_gSFPgM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IidURsZxFLA
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supermax666
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:52 am 
 

My band Frostbite (montreal, canada) was rejected saying it was only a 19 minutes EP and wasnt long enough for a digital release. But it's a physical EP, not a digital only... here's a physical proof:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

Thank You

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:02 am 
 

Please resubmit with the link to that Facebook post mentioned in the submission notes.

And this goes for EVERYBODY, people: If you want a much better chance of being accepted - as well as a quicker approval/evaluation time, always include proof of a physical release if one exists.
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grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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inpitch
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:41 pm 
 

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 197&type=1

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:51 pm 
 

inpitch wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.508240689211810.1073741825.429173493785197&type=1

And we can listen to this (in its entirety) where?
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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:27 pm 
 

Hey,

Sorry, I normally don't question a mod's rejection of a band but I really think this one is wrong to be rejected - the band is Rest:

http://wearerest.bandcamp.com/album/i-hold-the-wolf

They have three albums out, the first two I wouldn't consider metal (and I put that in the submission notes) but the latest one (I Hold the Wolf) is certainly much harder.

It's progressive metal (not djent-like either) and a lot of the intros to songs are mellow and post-ish... however, when you listen to the album as a whole, those intros end and all the songs turn into metal sooner or later (and it's way more metal than post-) "Empyrean" kicks in about 1:45, The Waters Withdraw at about 2:45 and Iolru at about a minute - just to give you examples. I don't know how much was listened to but if you listen to only the first minute I can completely understand but at least 75% of the music on this disc is very metal in my opinion, which should be enough to qualify them for the site as they surely are allowed to meander for a little bit now and again.

I'd just appreciate a second listen - and if you still reject it, I'll accept that as fact.

Thanks guys.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:51 pm 
 

Rest was reviewed by 4 mods, and we found it to be mostly based in djent noodling (including the latter album). The decision ended up being rather universal.

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Preposterous Creations
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:12 pm 
 

I was about to add a band of my roster named M.N.D.L.S.B.L.S.T.N.G. and I saw a warning about it being blacklisted. I have no clue as to why the band has been blacklisted as I am not the one who tried to submit it in the past, so I’ll try to explain the motivations of my request.

M.N.D.L.S.B.L.S.T.N.G. is the continuation, under a new name, of the Barr-Nevai project, which is already an existing entry of the Metal Archives:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bar ... 3540342196
The band members and the music style they play are both the very same. As Nandor Nevai explained, the duet only found a suitable project name years after they started their collaboration.

Actually, before the mod UndeadIdiot kindly handled my report, some M.N.D.L.S.B.L.S.T.N.G. releases were listed under the Barr-Nevai entry.

I will no try to re-submit the band if you keep it blacklisted, that’s why I am posting here.

Thanks for your attention.

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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:16 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
Rest was reviewed by 4 mods, and we found it to be mostly based in djent noodling (including the latter album). The decision ended up being rather universal.


Hard to argue with 4 people then. Thanks.
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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:27 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
Rest was reviewed by 4 mods, and we found it to be mostly based in djent noodling (including the latter album). The decision ended up being rather universal.

I checked the whole album, while there's some metal parts here and there, it's mostly djent/non-metal riffs. This stuff is very trendy these days and particularly not metal. Animal As Leaders were deleted and they were similar.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:32 pm 
 

Preposterous Creations wrote:
I was about to add a band of my roster named M.N.D.L.S.B.L.S.T.N.G. and I saw a warning about it being blacklisted. I have no clue as to why the band has been blacklisted as I am not the one who tried to submit it in the past, so I’ll try to explain the motivations of my request.

M.N.D.L.S.B.L.S.T.N.G. is the continuation, under a new name, of the Barr-Nevai project, which is already an existing entry of the Metal Archives:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bar ... 3540342196
The band members and the music style they play are both the very same. As Nandor Nevai explained, the duet only found a suitable project name years after they started their collaboration.

Actually, before the mod UndeadIdiot kindly handled my report, some M.N.D.L.S.B.L.S.T.N.G. releases were listed under the Barr-Nevai entry.

I will no try to re-submit the band if you keep it blacklisted, that’s why I am posting here.

Thanks for your attention.

It was blacklisted last October for being "Noise". Has anything changed since then?

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Preposterous Creations
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:47 pm 
 

No, it is not noise. It’s avant-garde speed metal. Very same music as Barr-Nevai listed here under “Thrash Metal/Experimental”. As I mentioned in my previous post, the one you quoted, Barr and Nevai decided to use M.N.D.L.S.B.L.S.T.N.G. for their common project instead of the eponymous moniker. It is not a new and different band.


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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:55 pm 
 

https://vimeo.com/46783140 this is "avant garde speed metal or whatever"? Ok :ugh: This is really damn far from metal, dude. It won't be added. Désolé et bonne soirée.
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