Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives

Message board

* FAQ    * Search   * Register   * Login 



Reply to topic
Author Message Previous topic | Next topic
Veracs
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:56 pm
Posts: 1893
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:34 am 
 

I was thinking of the turn of the century in terms of the catch-all term dark metal, when Century Media had bands signed such as Tiamat, Moonspell, Rotting Christ, and other bands had metamorphosed from their youthful forays of extreme metal with the gothic influence that meshed both sounds together. It was sound that existed for a few albums and with the exceptions of two of the aforementioned bands, stopped and the bands went about the creative cycle. What is a sound of metal that existed for a few albums between similar bands, that caught broader attention but literally fell of the radar. Please no mentions of the derided culprits of metalcore, retro thrash, and similar trends as they are still quite active, rather a type of sound that caught your ear but subsequently vanished and exists only today in the band's back catalogue.
_________________
Malignanthrone wrote:

Thing is, Suicide Silence actually are more sonically massive than a good 95% of all the death metal bands in the Archives! Not metal, sure, but definitely a lot more brutal.

Under_Starmere wrote:
Manowar aren't the Kings of Metal. They're pretenders to a throne that doesn't exist.!

Top
 Profile  
Pepsiman
Metal newbie

Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:18 pm
Posts: 231
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:11 am 
 

In the case of "dark metal", I'm guessing that mainstream gothic metal as a movement happened. A lot of the bands that you could associate with the term went on to play gothic metal because that could earn them more money, at least in the short term. Whether this resulted in quality music is up for debate.

Anyways, the widespread availability of internet access from the early '90s onwards probably kept a lot of genres from actually dying, so it would've taken a good deal of obscurity for a whole substyle to fall into obscurity. I guess it'd be good to distinguish between genres that actually fell off the radar, and genres where the bands simply stopped producing much of anything.
_________________
It came from the internet...
Invisible Blog - No gimmicks, but 23% more fun!

Top
 Profile  
Helvede
Metalhead

Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 6:28 pm
Posts: 1427
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:24 am 
 

Death 'n Roll.

Top
 Profile  
lord_ghengis
Metal freak

Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:31 pm
Posts: 5402
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:19 am 
 

There are still dark metal albums around I think. Its a pretty non descript term though, so I might just be shoehorning stuff into it.

As for one to add, torture doom. Sure Sektarism put out a very Bunkur-esque album last year, but by and large tue genre is dead. Obviously it was unpopular as the plague, and not many people were into it, but I actuqlly liked it with all the screechy vocals, random, goofy drumming and guitar feedback in the place of keyboardy tones. Even Funeraliums new one, which seems like it'll be hateful as all hell has abandoned the pure torture mindset. Most bands weren't brilliant, but I'm sad it died before many bands got around to doing full lengths with dense production, would have loved a Senthil or Munn full length with more guitar weight.
_________________
Naamath wrote:
No comments, no words need it, no BM, no compromise, only grains in her face.

Top
 Profile  
TheUglySoldier
Metalhead

Joined: Mon May 12, 2008 3:44 am
Posts: 1679
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:45 am 
 

Helvede wrote:
Death 'n Roll.


To a lesser extent, perhaps Black 'n Roll, as well.

I could be wrong, but Dungeon Synth doesn't seem to have a lot of releases coming from it these days.
_________________
Blacksmith - Heavy Metal/Hard Rock from Sydney

Absolute Power: heavy metal and pop culture news, analysis and commentary

Top
 Profile  
lord_ghengis
Metal freak

Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:31 pm
Posts: 5402
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:48 am 
 

Because dungeon synth is awful and people wised up.
_________________
Naamath wrote:
No comments, no words need it, no BM, no compromise, only grains in her face.

Top
 Profile  
Helvede
Metalhead

Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 6:28 pm
Posts: 1427
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:43 am 
 

Torture Doom?? Never heard about that before?

Top
 Profile  
Dragunov
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:34 pm
Posts: 2345
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:19 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Torture Doom?? Never heard about that before?


Wormphlegm, Bunkur, etc.
_________________
HamburgerBoy wrote:
Chugging DURDURDUR is more metal than airy lelelelelelelelleele.

Top
 Profile  
samekh
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:36 am
Posts: 1126
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:19 pm 
 

Battle ambient kind of disappeared as well. It was like Summoning without the metal. I remember a bunch of artists sprung up (for some reason, Uruk-Hai is the only one I can remember) but the interest from fans seemed pretty limited. I thought it was all pretty boring.

Top
 Profile  
GTog
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:35 pm
Posts: 411
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:05 pm 
 

What about the ever lovin' "speed" metal? Only 2% of bands in the archves have "speed" as even part of their listed genre, and I would guess most of them are older bands. I remember speed metal being a thing back in the 80s. Did it die out when everyone realized that playing fast wasn't a genre?

Top
 Profile  
Pale_Pilgrim
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:01 pm
Posts: 882
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:50 pm 
 

GTog wrote:
What about the ever lovin' "speed" metal? Only 2% of bands in the archves have "speed" as even part of their listed genre, and I would guess most of them are older bands. I remember speed metal being a thing back in the 80s. Did it die out when everyone realized that playing fast wasn't a genre?



Speed metal? You have to understand that speed metal spawned both power and thrash metal. Then think of neoclassical metal. Also realize that thrash spawned black and death. Rather than just died out, I'd say speed metal paved the way for the majority of metal's subgenres.
_________________
Count Dirt Nap on DragonForce wrote:
What happened to their old vocalist? Did he move SOOOO FAAAAAR AWAAAAYYYYY?

"Lots of comic book heroes have utility belts. Batman is the only one who has deus ex machina holding his pants up"
My DeviantArt

Top
 Profile  
GravityLapse
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:54 pm
Posts: 179
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:21 pm 
 

There aren't really any new NYDM style bands anymore.. stuff along the lines of Suffo, Pyrexia, Internal Bleeding, Morpheus Descends, early Immolation, Dehumanized, Eternal Suffering, Baphomet, Torture Krypt.. plus a bunch more that never really made it past the local circuit/demo stage. The majority of the older bands playing this style or went full on wigger (see: Internal Bleeding, Dehumanized). Definitely a niche sound that's not really around anymore post-2000s, bands that claim to be influenced by all these bands usually end up being some shitty kind of slam and/or beatdown hardcore influenced metal.

I think maybe the same could also be said for the classic Finnish dm sound, like Demigod, Convulse, etc.. there are a few bands attempting to recapture it, including a couple actually from Finland, but aside from the reformed ones the number of bands playing this style it's basically in the single digits.

Top
 Profile  
Thashierthanthou
Not Semi-Witty Enough for his Own Title

Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:04 pm
Posts: 2292
Location: Mushroom Kingdom
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:41 pm 
 

The late 80's/early 90's tech thrash bands (Toxik, Coroner, Deathrow, Realm, ect) didn't seem to last very long, and Vektor is the only newer band I know of that does anything similar to what those bands were doing.
_________________
Subrick wrote:
opet is tree metal! there early albums talk about trees!

They should have talked about why failsafeman sucks!

Top
 Profile  
lord_ghengis
Metal freak

Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:31 pm
Posts: 5402
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:47 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Torture Doom?? Never heard about that before?


It was extremely slow and repetitive funeral doom/drone, with some black metal influences in sound, extremely low riff counts (most torture doom songs were at least 20 minutes long and would rarely feature more than five riffs), and extremely simplistic riffs. As such most attention grabbing stuff waa brought on by the styles shrieking "guy getting tortured" vocals and often oddly busy drumming for such a slow style. Started by Wormpleghm primarily, most bands put out a half hour demo or two then vanished.
_________________
Naamath wrote:
No comments, no words need it, no BM, no compromise, only grains in her face.

Top
 Profile  
Subrick
Metal freak

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 5835
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:50 pm 
 



Stuff like this I think would qualify as "torture doom". Extremely slow, extremely repetitive, very long, "blackened" vocals, and no riffs; just various droning frequencies.
_________________
YouTube
Facebook
Sorrowseed Melodic Extreme Metal
Blacksoul Seraphim Doomgaze
Thy Ancient Crypt Blackened Death Metal

Top
 Profile  
Ill-Starred Son
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:10 pm
Posts: 215
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:52 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Death 'n Roll.


Death n'roll doesn't exist anymore??

I could have sworn there were still bands occasionally putting out albums or at least individual tracks with this sound.

Top
 Profile  
Ill-Starred Son
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:10 pm
Posts: 215
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 pm 
 

TheUglySoldier wrote:
Helvede wrote:
Death 'n Roll.


To a lesser extent, perhaps Black 'n Roll, as well.

I could be wrong, but Dungeon Synth doesn't seem to have a lot of releases coming from it these days.


I've never even heard of Black n'Roll or Dungeon Synth.

Could you give examples of band/albums/tracks with this sound that I could look up?

Top
 Profile  
Subrick
Metal freak

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 5835
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:54 pm 
 

Kvelertak, newer Satyricon for black 'n roll. As for dungeon synth, no idea.
_________________
YouTube
Facebook
Sorrowseed Melodic Extreme Metal
Blacksoul Seraphim Doomgaze
Thy Ancient Crypt Blackened Death Metal

Top
 Profile  
Ill-Starred Son
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:10 pm
Posts: 215
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:03 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
Kvelertak, newer Satyricon for black 'n roll. As for dungeon synth, no idea.


I haven't heard that much of the newer Satyricon stuff, but some of it has sounded to me quite similar to Blackened Crust which is a subgenre I really enjoy and which continues to exist (Wolvhammer in particular).

Not sure what the difference is between the two sub genres, maybe I'll have to hear more new Satyricon to distinguish.

Top
 Profile  
Adriankat
Veteran

Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:54 pm
Posts: 2652
Location: San Jose, California
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:05 pm 
 

Black 'n roll = Newer Darkthrone. Basically punk and black metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFN8O0KaOcs

Kvelertak is the only big band I know that's carrying the black 'n roll banner right now (aside from Darkthrone of course).

@GravityLapse
The NYDM-style is popping back up. Rottrevore and Morpheus Descends got back together. There are some new bands in this style too such as Encoffination and Undergang.
_________________
Let's be friends on Steam|Last.FM|Instagram!

Top
 Profile  
Necroticism174
Kite String Popper

Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:46 pm
Posts: 4988
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:07 pm 
 

Yeah, I miss torture doom too. I'm quite fond of the style. But people really need to stop mentioning Bunkur as one of the first examples, they're the worst band to have ever existed.
_________________
lord_ghengis about Vomitory splitting up wrote:
They were a band who understood music needed more explosions.

http://www.last.fm/user/TheEndTimeRiff
http://halberddoom.bandcamp.com/releases

Top
 Profile  
Ill-Starred Son
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:10 pm
Posts: 215
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:14 pm 
 

Adriankat wrote:
Black 'n roll = Newer Darkthrone. Basically punk and black metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFN8O0KaOcs

Kvelertak is the only big band I know that's carrying the black 'n roll banner right now (aside from Darkthrone of course).

@GravityLapse
The NYDM-style is popping back up. Rottrevore and Morpheus Descends got back together. There are some new bands in this style too such as Encoffination and Undergang.


I LOVED that Darkthrone track! More bands should play that shit.

However, other than the vocals being clean, it does sound quite similar instrumentally to blackened crust like Wolvhammer, Dishammer, Disfear, Skitsystem, Martydod, a sub genre I have recently come to love.

The clean vox do give it a different and more traditional "punk" as opposed to crust punk feel though.

Top
 Profile  
lord_ghengis
Metal freak

Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:31 pm
Posts: 5402
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:24 pm 
 

Necroticism174 wrote:
Yeah, I miss torture doom too. I'm quite fond of the style. But people really need to stop mentioning Bunkur as one of the first examples, they're the worst band to have ever existed.


I actually don't hate them. Admittedly I can only handle ~25 minutes of them, I find the sloppy, simplistic drum fills pretty interesting and fun for a while. And that one riff change they have in the first album is pretty rad. They're not the best by any means though, there are far better bands.
_________________
Naamath wrote:
No comments, no words need it, no BM, no compromise, only grains in her face.

Top
 Profile  
Zelkiiro
Pounding the world with a fish of steel

Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:30 pm
Posts: 4106
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:29 pm 
 

Adriankat wrote:
Black 'n roll = Newer Darkthrone. Basically punk and black metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFN8O0KaOcs

Motherfucker, I'm gonna have to grab all of their later stuff now, aren't I?
_________________
Anime Reviews every two weeks!
Artwork once or twice a year!
M-A reviews every leap year!
Last.fm all day long!

Top
 Profile  
shouvince
Veteran

Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:11 am
Posts: 2798
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:44 pm 
 

Adriankat wrote:
Black 'n roll = Newer Darkthrone. Basically punk and black metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFN8O0KaOcs

Kvelertak is the only big band I know that's carrying the black 'n roll banner right now (aside from Darkthrone of course).


I thought Darkthrone claimed they were NWOBHM - New Wave of Black Heavy Metal. They even titled a demo with that 'genre'.
Anyway, Kvelertak is certainly black n' roll. In my opinion, newer darkthrone lacks a bit of the 'roll' in their music to be called that :)

I haven't heard the genre 'Black Gaze' being thrown around much these days. Good riddance perhaps?

Top
 Profile  
DeathfareDevil
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:30 am
Posts: 568
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:48 pm 
 

Sometimes I get a little nostalgic for that brief time around the turn of the millennium when metal bands tried to "modernize" their sound through any number of affectations, usually in the area of production. I always associate it with Akkerhaugen Studio. Some were more successful at it than others: Zyklon's World ov Worms, Cadaver Inc's Discipline, Myrkskog's Deathmachine, and, arguably, Abigor's Satanized are some of the more interesting ones from that era. I suppose Dimmu's Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia and Emperor's IX Equilibrium fit here as well, though both of those felt like downward steps for the bands.

Of course it also gave us eternally dull bands like Sirius and Tidfall, who I'm betting nobody remembers. Rightfully.

The backlash to this stylistic experimentation, though, the "return to roots" organic grimefest that still goes on today, is pretty overdue for its own evolution. I wish more bands would take the approach of Spite Extreme Wing's Vltra and, rather than try to recreate a specific band's sound, channel some original and inspired ideas through the throwback aesthetic of their choice. I guess Horrendous and Binah were successful at this. Oh and Ataraxy, I love that Ataraxy. Maybe a lot of these OSDM revival bands are well on their way to finding their own voice.

Then I realize my hypocrisy as I gleefully listen to the 99,999th rehash of Transilvanian Hunger.

Top
 Profile  
lord_ghengis
Metal freak

Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:31 pm
Posts: 5402
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:55 pm 
 

Yeah, last year had a lot of actually fresh music coming out of the OSDM revival movement, due to improving productions and less of a focus on simply trying to out murk each other, hopefully this continues. With that said I don't think Binah did much, they were one of the duller ones for me actually, and I'm not into Horrendous' Death worship either, but the point still stands.
_________________
Naamath wrote:
No comments, no words need it, no BM, no compromise, only grains in her face.

Top
 Profile  
false_icon
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:52 am
Posts: 516
Location: France
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:03 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
As for dungeon synth, no idea.

Mortiis
_________________
Rild about Czechs wrote:
ghoulash eating neo-soviet despots.

my trade list

Top
 Profile  
Scorntyrant
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:55 am
Posts: 1113
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:15 pm 
 

samekh wrote:
Battle ambient kind of disappeared as well. It was like Summoning without the metal. I remember a bunch of artists sprung up (for some reason, Uruk-Hai is the only one I can remember) but the interest from fans seemed pretty limited. I thought it was all pretty boring.


Is this different from Martial Industrial as it exists seperate from the Metal scene? I'm guessing from the description its more LOTR than WW2 themed?
_________________
[quote="Mike_Tyson"]

"I think the average person thinks I'm a fucking nut and I deserve whatever happens to me."

"My intentions were not to fascinate the world with my personality."

Top
 Profile  
Oxenkiller
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:42 am
Posts: 1313
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:28 pm 
 

When I think of "torture Doom" I think of Abruptum- didn't that band allegedly practice wierd acts of Sado-masochisim during theirrecording sessions? They fit the description anyway, slow ambient droning noise, they were somewhat related to black metal and were lumped in with that scene.

Anyone remember thrash-funk? It was this short lived trend among a few northern California metal bands for a while. Mordred were probably the best known example but there were a few others, and some bands like Death Angel even started incorporating slap-bass beats into their sound.

Top
 Profile  
MalignantThrone
Vanished in the Cosmic Futility

Joined: Tue May 31, 2011 1:24 am
Posts: 2785
Location: A step closer to home
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:58 pm 
 

Black n' roll is hardly dead - as far as I know, there are still plenty of underground bands mixing really minimalistic black metal and punk rock.
_________________
Guitarpro77889 wrote:
which ones are mainstream cuz i will stop listening to them

Top
 Profile  
Kveldulfr
Metalhead

Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:01 pm
Posts: 2447
Location: Chile
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:22 pm 
 

Scorntyrant wrote:
samekh wrote:
Battle ambient kind of disappeared as well. It was like Summoning without the metal. I remember a bunch of artists sprung up (for some reason, Uruk-Hai is the only one I can remember) but the interest from fans seemed pretty limited. I thought it was all pretty boring.


Is this different from Martial Industrial as it exists seperate from the Metal scene? I'm guessing from the description its more LOTR than WW2 themed?


You need to listen more stuff. For instance, I recommend you Rome. The style is hardly dead.
_________________
Forestfather in Facebook- Some sort of black metal.
Get Forestfather's new album 'Hereafter' here!
Kveldulf's various stuff in Soundcloud
Vahşet in ReverbNation - Death metal

Top
 Profile  
TheUglySoldier
Metalhead

Joined: Mon May 12, 2008 3:44 am
Posts: 1679
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:43 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
newer Satyricon for black 'n roll.


NO.
_________________
Blacksmith - Heavy Metal/Hard Rock from Sydney

Absolute Power: heavy metal and pop culture news, analysis and commentary

Top
 Profile  
godsonsafari
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:03 am
Posts: 689
Location: Sparty's Land Grant University, USA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:42 am 
 

Quote:
Anyone remember thrash-funk? It was this short lived trend among a few northern California metal bands for a while. Mordred were probably the best known example but there were a few others, and some bands like Death Angel even started incorporating slap-bass beats into their sound.


Don't forget Scatterbrain, which I think was made of Mordred members or something. But yeah, this is a dead genre. Dead dead dead.

Quote:
Sometimes I get a little nostalgic for that brief time around the turn of the millennium when metal bands tried to "modernize" their sound through any number of affectations, usually in the area of production. I always associate it with Akkerhaugen Studio. Some were more successful at it than others: Zyklon's World ov Worms, Cadaver Inc's Discipline, Myrkskog's Deathmachine, and, arguably, Abigor's Satanized are some of the more interesting ones from that era. I suppose Dimmu's Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia and Emperor's IX Equilibrium fit here as well, though both of those felt like downward steps for the bands.

Of course it also gave us eternally dull bands like Sirius and Tidfall, who I'm betting nobody remembers. Rightfully.

The backlash to this stylistic experimentation, though, the "return to roots" organic grimefest that still goes on today, is pretty overdue for its own evolution. I wish more bands would take the approach of Spite Extreme Wing's Vltra and, rather than try to recreate a specific band's sound, channel some original and inspired ideas through the throwback aesthetic of their choice. I guess Horrendous and Binah were successful at this. Oh and Ataraxy, I love that Ataraxy. Maybe a lot of these OSDM revival bands are well on their way to finding their own voice.


I think there was "backlash" but I look at Blut Aus Nord as basically continuing that lineage of "modernized" black metal or whatever you want to term it. I think because there wasn't really a second wave of records from those particular bands in the mid 2000s that was worth half a shit, we basically forget Dodheimsgard, Fleurety, and the last December Wolves record (as examples). There hasn't been, for example, anyone demanding we revisit Diabolical Masquerade's Death's Design, and that was among the most critically acclaimed albums of 2001. So it sits there forgotten while people go on about how exciting bands doing something similar now are.
_________________
"It's not some safe thing like Fugazi where everyone sits down and eats their tofu and goes 'wow man, that's revolutionary' " - Jerry A of Poison Idea

Top
 Profile  
lord_ghengis
Metal freak

Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:31 pm
Posts: 5402
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:28 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
When I think of "torture Doom" I think of Abruptum- didn't that band allegedly practice wierd acts of Sado-masochisim during theirrecording sessions? They fit the description anyway, slow ambient droning noise, they were somewhat related to black metal and were lumped in with that scene.


I'm not familiar with the band in question, but I'd say that the style needs some doom to it and a droning guitar basis. I'm listening to Obscuritatem right now, and while I wouldn't call it torture doom, due to the lack of doom and overwhelming droning guitar, and the frequent noisy outbursts, considering it's for nineteen ninety fucking three it's surprisingly close and fucking crazy. Definitely an influence to the style, and a band I really, really want to hear more of. I think that a wall of guitar feedback is an important part of the genre's traits, which is why something like Locrian's The Clearing would not be torture doom, despite having the screechy vocals and a torturous atmosphere, the dark ambient basis for the music isn't what I would consider torture doom. Also, TD has two different schools as far as I'm concerned, both easily defined by Wormphlegm. Wormphleghm's demo to me is a perfect example of the more drone based, more simplistic original form, which is what the Bunkur's, the Senthil's and the Munn's are like. Then you've got the full length, which retains the low riff count, and the shrieking vocals, but replaces a lot of the formless droning and nonsense drumming with a more recognisable funeral doom streak, which leads to heavier sounds, and riffier songs, this is what Funeralium, Lordamor and vaguely, The Funeral Orchestra do.
_________________
Naamath wrote:
No comments, no words need it, no BM, no compromise, only grains in her face.

Top
 Profile  
GravityLapse
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:54 pm
Posts: 179
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:40 am 
 

Adriankat wrote:
@GravityLapse
The NYDM-style is popping back up. Rottrevore and Morpheus Descends got back together. There are some new bands in this style too such as Encoffination and Undergang.


Well, we'll see if Morpheus Descends decides to release any new material. As for the latter two, Encoffination is just another Incantaclone, and Undergang.. I can kinda see what you mean, but still, not really NYDM.

MalignantThrone wrote:
Black n' roll is hardly dead - as far as I know, there are still plenty of underground bands mixing really minimalistic black metal and punk rock.


Not quite, I wouldn't really consider Raspberry Bulbs and whoever else black n roll. More Circle Jerks, and way less Motorhead.

DeathfareDevil wrote:
Sometimes I get a little nostalgic for that brief time around the turn of the millennium when metal bands tried to "modernize" their sound through any number of affectations, usually in the area of production. I always associate it with Akkerhaugen Studio. Some were more successful at it than others: Zyklon's World ov Worms, Cadaver Inc's Discipline, Myrkskog's Deathmachine, and, arguably, Abigor's Satanized are some of the more interesting ones from that era. I suppose Dimmu's Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia and Emperor's IX Equilibrium fit here as well, though both of those felt like downward steps for the bands.


Yes! Moonfog black metal especially was a part of this, what with the "industrial" (mostly just techno) influences and the overall futurized black metal aesthetic. You totally skipped over the best one though - Thorns. Was the best then, still the best now and just in general holds up as great record. Still waiting on that mythical second album. As far as I know Snorre Ruch was supposed to have a complete band together, but still managed to make no progress whatsoever. I haven't even heard anything about his art sort of side project, Thorns Ltd. I guess he's still just doing web design stuff.

Top
 Profile  
ThePoop
Metalhead

Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:38 pm
Posts: 489
Location: United States
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:50 am 
 

DeathfareDevil wrote:
The backlash to this stylistic experimentation, though, the "return to roots" organic grimefest that still goes on today, is pretty overdue for its own evolution. I wish more bands would take the approach of Spite Extreme Wing's Vltra and, rather than try to recreate a specific band's sound, channel some original and inspired ideas through the throwback aesthetic of their choice. I

Dude I agree. And Spite Extreme Wing's Vltra is so amazing that I think it stands among the greatest black metal records of all time. And a huge reason why is the PERFECT 70's retro-ish production.

shouvince wrote:
I haven't heard the genre 'Black Gaze' being thrown around much these days. Good riddance perhaps?

I was/am a fan of the whole "black-gaze" thing, though I think the bigger bands associated with this really had nothing to do with shoegaze and were more influenced by post-rock, and so more fitting (and convoluted) terms have been attached to them. Though there was still a few bands that mixed shoegaze with black metal in a very honest way, and a majority of them are still in their demo-phase, so perhaps it may build up again when/if some of the better names release full-lengths (Soliness, Shyy, Dernier Martyr, Onryo...).
_________________
My favorite Carcass album is Swansong.

Top
 Profile  
balbulus
Metalhead

Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:01 pm
Posts: 963
Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:01 am 
 

TheUglySoldier wrote:
I could be wrong, but Dungeon Synth doesn't seem to have a lot of releases coming from it these days.


There's actually plenty going on in Dungeon Synth lately, thanks in part to the excellent Dungeon Synth blog. Erang, Abandoned Places, Lord Lovidicus are all good examples of recent DS acts, plus many others.
_________________
‎"Suddenly, life has new meaning..."

Top
 Profile  
Corpus_Chain
Metal newbie

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:34 pm
Posts: 120
Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:00 am 
 

shouvince wrote:

I thought Darkthrone claimed they were NWOBHM - New Wave of Black Heavy Metal. They even titled a demo with that 'genre'.
Anyway, Kvelertak is certainly black n' roll. In my opinion, newer darkthrone lacks a bit of the 'roll' in their music to be called that :)


That was just an EP (not a demo!) title. They never actually claimed it was a genre.

DeathfareDevil wrote:
Of course it also gave us eternally dull bands like Sirius and Tidfall[/i]


Sirius are awesome! You mean this band, yes? http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sirius/1428. Their album Spectral Dimensions was heavy.


Last edited by Corpus_Chain on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:07 am, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
Ilwhyan
Metel fraek

Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:41 pm
Posts: 6527
Location: Finland
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:40 am 
 

DeathfareDevil wrote:
Then I realize my hypocrisy as I gleefully listen to the 99,999th rehash of Transilvanian Hunger.

How many bands really did what Darkthrone did on Transilvanian Hunger, though? Rather few. People are generally thinking of the title track, and any black metal song consisting of a fairly minimalistic melodic main riff, a second riff and a usually pointless bridge is labelled as a TH clone. Of course the production must be raw and the rhythmical aspects quite unchanging.
_________________
"Behold, wizard, for the last time how the sun looks, for henceforth you will watch it with empty sockets!"
Illusions Dead - death/black metal

Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic Go to page 1, 2  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: MrMcThrasher II, MSNbot Media, Mysticaloldbard and 21 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

 
Jump to:  

Back to the Encyclopaedia Metallum


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group