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Wryth Karoth
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:02 pm 
 

I've been really interested by the Les Legions Noires lately and love the whole Limited to fuck-all copies things. So Im wondering if anyone knows of other releases that have been extremely limited in copies. I mean like less than 100. Also if anyone knows of any bands that sound like LLN projects like Belketre, Vlad Tepes, Torgiest, Brenoritvrevorkre, etc. tell me. That would be quite rad. Stay Kvlt!

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MalignantThrone
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:17 pm 
 

You speak of the whole limitation thing like it's a rare phenomenon, but it's really not at all. I'd be willing to bet that at least 20% of all black metal albums ever released were made in an edition of less than 100, and even today a lot of DIY labels release their stuff in an edition of 30, 33, 50, 66, 88, or something of the sort.

To put it briefly: unless you're looking for limited-edition releases by otherwise high-profile bands, there would be far too many to list.
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daemon_necromaton
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:28 pm 
 

Extremely low limits are more of a noise/industrial thing these days. It's common to see noise albums released in limits of 5, for example.

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cultofkraken
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:16 pm 
 

Profane Productions had limited demo runs, I am lucky to have a few of them myself, probably one of the more well known of those produced being Xasthur's A Gate Through Bloodstained Mirrors. God is Myth records also had some very limited run stuff that was actually a series of releases from artists based around Lovecraft's work, I know VAN records had a mail order only limited EP series with some of their artists... my friend signed up for that one. I have a few super limited releases myself like some Paradigms Recording bands that had limited run packages, not all strictly black metal but usually related in one way or another. One of my favourite releases, and I am surprised the band isn't listed on metal archives was Kerbenok's Auf wilden Pfaden/Im Einklang der Gewalten self produced 2 black polycarbonate CD demo in hand made packaging that was limited to 150 copies. I am proud to have 108 of 150. Great stuff and if you can track it down highly recommended, as is the Der Erde entwachsen (Gewollte Wunden) mcd digi, I also have the limited to 100 copy of that but it was since rereleased by Northern Silence back in 2008 in a 1000 disc print. There are so many more examples of limited run releases in black metal that it would take me a loooong time to list it all.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:25 pm 
 

I take it back, Kerbenok is on the archives, I don't know why but when I search for them they don't show up.
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Big_Grand
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:18 pm 
 

look in the promo forum, there are plenty of small bands releasing 20-30 cassettes/cds/4-tracks?/ vinyl of their demos and EPs all the time, or people trading them.

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ancientorder
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:48 pm 
 

For some of the releases, there is absolutely no point to make big presses at all. The appeal is not strong for all the bands. For example Vlad Tepes' War Funeral March demo by Full Moon Productions was printed as 1000 copies. According to the label it took over 3 years to sell 280 copies and rest of the press just remained to collect dust in a warehouse.

If you want some LLN imitators, you should check the portuguese bands like Vetala, Mons Veneris (this one even imitates Vlad Tepes logo...). Also Satanic Warmaster sideproject The True Werwolf has quite a LLN touch on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:23 am 
 

Forest Grave from the UK have been known to release their demos and splits on cassette limited to less than 100 copies. Pretty decent black metal.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:28 am 
 

Von's first demo tape was released on only 3 copies. Falkenbach's first demo had only 9 copies.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:59 am 
 

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Wryth Karoth
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:05 am 
 

Thanks for the information. Fuckin love the bands who stay true to the underground. The reason for asking this is I decided with my project I wanted to know how little was too little. Vons demo is limited to three... so I guess 14 copies is fine, eh.
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Wryth Karoth
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:15 am 
 

Too often I see 'underground' bands like Satanic Warmaster (dont get me wrong. Love Lauri's music) who constantly preach about staying true to the black metal scene with releases of 2000 or more copies. Next stop Cradle-Of-Filthland eh!
Thinkin of giving out copies of Ba'Zuulizx demos only to the members of bands Im in close contact with and memebers of the underground community I deem worthy of their possession.

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MalignantThrone
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:30 am 
 

Wryth Karoth wrote:
Too often I see 'underground' bands like Satanic Warmaster (dont get me wrong. Love Lauri's music) who constantly preach about staying true to the black metal scene with releases of 2000 or more copies. Next stop Cradle-Of-Filthland eh!
Thinkin of giving out copies of Ba'Zuulizx demos only to the members of bands Im in close contact with and memebers of the underground community I deem worthy of their possession.

That honestly seems pretty stupid. The point of limitation, usually, is not to make a release unnecessarily rare to build up hype, but to account for the fact that simply not that many people are going to give a shit about some underground Canadian black metal band's cassette tape demo release. Turning access to your music into an invite-only private club doesn't seem like you're staying true to anything but your own ego.
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beeneNOLAdoobie
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:33 am 
 

Wryth Karoth wrote:
Thinkin of giving out copies of Ba'Zuulizx demos only to the members of bands Im in close contact with and memebers of the underground community I deem worthy of their possession.


That's too Kvlt!

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Wryth Karoth
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:24 am 
 

Well, as Black Metal was meant to be an elitist movement, the elite must have a high opinion of theirself else they would be hypocrites. Music is part of ones soul. Unlike the sell-out musicians of the current black metal scene, I wish for my soul to go to those I deem worthy of recieving it.

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MARSDUDE
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:15 am 
 

What if the people that you thought deserved your soul, don't actually end up liking your soul? Then they sell your soul on eBay, and you're really screwed.

Maybe someone "unkvlt" gets your soul in an $0.99 eBay bid?

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Lightsbane
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:32 pm 
 

I always thought it was a more 'kvlt' way of saying "we couldn't afford to have more of these made"

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the_raytownian
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:10 pm 
 

Wryth Karoth wrote:
[I] love the whole Limited to fuck-all copies things.

I don't. Commodity fetishism sucks, and these days, it's a choice made largely as a marketing ploy, which is lame as hell.

I know a lot of DIY Noise releases are usually done in the ~50 copy range, though.

That said, if you're not Prurient, the Internet Noise Scene™ doesn't care about you, so a lot of labels only produce limited quantities because any more than, say, 50 copies would take literally forever and a day to sell.

I myself did a Noise compilation, 100 copies, and I have sold next to none of them. This was a couple of years ago now that I put that comp out. Almost every copy released was sent to the artists, and of the ones sold, many were TO one of the artists.

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No.



PS: ONLY FIVE COPIES, OMG!!!: http://www.discogs.com/Charbroiled-Nun- ... se/3242892 :roll:
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:21 pm 
 

MalignantThrone wrote:
Turning access to your music into an invite-only private club doesn't seem like you're staying true to anything but your own ego.


Oh my god, this could not be any more well-put or overstated.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:31 pm 
 

Wryth Karoth wrote:
Well, as Black Metal was meant to be an elitist movement, the elite must have a high opinion of theirself else they would be hypocrites. Music is part of ones soul. Unlike the sell-out musicians of the current black metal scene, I wish for my soul to go to those I deem worthy of recieving it.


How, when the sales-side of underground music is often dominated by collectors and usurers specialised (for different reasons) on the obtainment of limited releases, will you ensure that your work is only received by those who you would deem worthy? By spreading it personally only, that's a possibility, but beyond that? I remember when, very recently, Wulkanaz's "HNI" tape was released by Wohrt recs. in a limited quantity of 150 - it was sold out within mere hours and I, for one, am too pessimistic, you could say, to believe that this was solely because people absolutely craved to listen to Wulkanaz's music (which I think is very, very good black metal, by the way), but rather because Wulkanaz has already generated a cult aura, partly because of releasing records in formats which would generally be considered ridiculous (e. g., floppy disks or - less baffling but still very unusual - eight-track cartridges). Although I do take a liking in this concept of commercialism, it's silly, but also somewhat subversive.

Mostly, it's mere commodity fetishism, I completely agree with the_raytownian in that regard.

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Wrath_Of_War
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:55 pm 
 

I think it's kind of cool to own limited releases by black metal bands, but I don't think I'll ever do a limited release myself. My band will probably only make 50 copies of our upcoming demo, just because we're not well known outside of our area. If for some reason we sell out, and people still want some, we'll make more.

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Profoundemonium
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:52 pm 
 

Almost everything on Svartgalgh Records is limited to 50 copies on 3" CDr's and come in nice mini cases. The releases are mostly black metal and dark ambient with some great bands like Etheric Void and Moon.

There's a lot of good stuff on Dungeons Deep Records, too. Most releases are limited to 111 copies and there's a few limited to 50.

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ShaolinLambKiller
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I myself do limited runs of practically everything I do and it's mainly cause i can't get out to play live to get a bigger audience, I don't tool around on a ton of boards promoting my stuff. I release it cause I enjoy seeing something I created from nothing come to full fruitation and I tend to think I would like to make enough copies for other people to enjoy it as well if they so choose. Sure I wouldn't mind having larger runs of stuff but I rather not store it forever. Like the first ep I ever released back in 09 for my grind band we did a run of 300. I'm just now down to the last few copies and many of those were traded and given to gifts to guys we played with. Same with the first filtheater ep that was released in late '10. limited to a hundred and I'm just down to the last few copies... i didn't even notice it was till I was resorting what inventory I had of everything.

But the whole limit something to a few copies just to do so is just ass to me. I rather more people be able to hear what I do than less.

But I do have a bunch of limited shit were it's 1 of 20 copies or 1 of 5 of stuff. I got it cause I enjoyed it not because it was limited to fuck, plus I paid what was asked when they came out not some aftermarket markup on ebay for it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:41 pm 
 

Wryth Karoth wrote:
Well, as Black Metal was meant to be an elitist movement, the elite must have a high opinion of theirself else they would be hypocrites. Music is part of ones soul. Unlike the sell-out musicians of the current black metal scene, I wish for my soul to go to those I deem worthy of recieving it.


Even though it reeks of troll this is one of the funnier posts I've seen in awhile. Kudos.

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GoldenBull wrote:
Wryth Karoth wrote:
Well, as Black Metal was meant to be an elitist movement, the elite must have a high opinion of theirself else they would be hypocrites. Music is part of ones soul. Unlike the sell-out musicians of the current black metal scene, I wish for my soul to go to those I deem worthy of recieving it.


Even though it reeks of troll this is one of the funnier posts I've seen in awhile. Kudos.


It was pretty funny, I have to admit.
The scary part is I think they are actually being totally sincere.
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It's a thing where people decided to reinterpret one of their weaknesses into one of their strengths. Only release a handful of copies because you are poor, unsigned, and have no rep? Or only release a handful of copies because you are willfully known only to a handful of purist warriors?

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It's a thing where people decided to reinterpret one of their weaknesses into one of their strengths.
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Werewolf wrote:
John_Sunlight wrote:
It's a thing where people decided to reinterpret one of their weaknesses into one of their strengths.
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Yeah that end thread shit is obnoxious. Anyways it's pointless to generalize reasons for limited releases, some feel it makes their release special, so what? So many of you seem butthurt and use that bullshit "kvlt" term to make things seem beneath you or juvenile... I mean why do you give a fuck anyways? I don't see anyone bashing noise bands for doing this... Big deal.
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daemon_necromaton wrote:
Extremely low limits are more of a noise/industrial thing these days. It's common to see noise albums released in limits of 5, for example.


Hahaha, really? its quite funny, if I see this I would think that the band/project itself is a joke.

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cultofkraken wrote:
So many of you seem butthurt and use that bullshit "kvlt" term to make things seem beneath you or juvenile... I mean why do you give a fuck anyways? I don't see anyone bashing noise bands for doing this... Big deal.


It's interesting how "butthurt" this post seems in contrast to other people's perfectly logical arguments against the concept of extremely limited editions as a form of status symbol in today's world. The consumer panic induced by our Capitalist society, which values commodity over actual merit, is something worth complaining about, I think.

The problem isn't "limited editions", the problem is marketing releases as limited editions. This kind of tactic present in any "extreme", so-called "underground" subculture is fucking lame (please leave the scene and go back to business school if you think differently, my yuppie friends).

More importantly, this is a discussion. It wouldn't be a discussion if everyone just agreed that fetishing cheap plastic status symbols, and object fetishism in general, are totally healthy and "cool" mindsets... It'd just be a circle jerk.
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I smell lame ass trolling.
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Paganbasque wrote:
daemon_necromaton wrote:
Extremely low limits are more of a noise/industrial thing these days. It's common to see noise albums released in limits of 5, for example.


Hahaha, really? its quite funny, if I see this I would think that the band/project itself is a joke.


That's because it usually is.
It's someone having a laugh with friends... "TRADES ONLY, BRO!"

There's usually some empty forum (NOISEGUIDE) with a few people and very few other regular posters where that shit happens, though.

The nice thing about this is it's not some fucking marketing attempt, it's just people who aren't ambitious enough to care about cultivating some lame cult of personality or mystique about their goofy Noisecore band that beats on pots and pans (citing a real-life example here) by trying to pimp their ltd. editions in big distros and talking about who DESERVES their <insert extremely pretentious, long-winded series of adjectives and metaphors to describe what is literally just a home-dubbed Maxell cassette tape with Xeroxed artwork here. Be sure to use at least 3 of the following: Rituals, Satanic, Black, Evil, Conjuration, Christraping, Darkness.>.
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the_raytownian wrote:
cultofkraken wrote:
So many of you seem butthurt and use that bullshit "kvlt" term to make things seem beneath you or juvenile... I mean why do you give a fuck anyways? I don't see anyone bashing noise bands for doing this... Big deal.


It's interesting how "butthurt" this post seems in contrast to other people's perfectly logical arguments against the concept of extremely limited editions as a form of status symbol in today's world. The consumer panic induced by our Capitalist society, which values commodity over actual merit, is something worth complaining about, I think.

The problem isn't "limited editions", the problem is marketing releases as limited editions. This kind of tactic present in any "extreme", so-called "underground" subculture is fucking lame (please leave the scene and go back to business school if you think differently, my yuppie friends).

More importantly, this is a discussion. It wouldn't be a discussion if everyone just agreed that fetishing cheap plastic status symbols, and object fetishism in general, are totally healthy and "cool" mindsets... It'd just be a circle jerk.


I'm more so sick of the term "kvlt" period, and it being thrown around derisively than anything pertaining to limitations on music releases. In fact I like your point about marketing limited releases as the real problem. In the end I could care less what physical limits are put on releases nowadays as with file sharing the point is moot. There is some great music out there that doesn't have more circulation and that is a shame however.
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Ha! Know this dude in real life! and his birth name is Grimgalgoth Blasphemycock!!! lml, Dont worry, he is only trolling and thats it.

In fact, I wonder if anybody actually thinks that way... I mean I support the underground, but thats a little extreme.

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Aszfargoth wrote:
How, when the sales-side of underground music is often dominated by collectors and usurers specialised (for different reasons) on the obtainment of limited releases, will you ensure that your work is only received by those who you would deem worthy? By spreading it personally only, that's a possibility, but beyond that? I remember when, very recently, Wulkanaz's "HNI" tape was released by Wohrt recs. in a limited quantity of 150 - it was sold out within mere hours and I, for one, am too pessimistic, you could say, to believe that this was solely because people absolutely craved to listen to Wulkanaz's music (which I think is very, very good black metal, by the way), but rather because Wulkanaz has already generated a cult aura, partly because of releasing records in formats which would generally be considered ridiculous (e. g., floppy disks or - less baffling but still very unusual - eight-track cartridges). Although I do take a liking in this concept of commercialism, it's silly, but also somewhat subversive.

Mostly, it's mere commodity fetishism, I completely agree with the_raytownian in that regard.


This was the exact artist, and the exact record I thought of when I saw the thread. I tried to buy a copy off someone who was lucky enough to get it, since I enjoy the music, but said individual was a collector, who wouldn't give it up without getting some exorbitant sum.

I'd say, for a collector, seeing something pressed in limited quantities, say, less than 200, and often even less than 100, makes the release more appealing, regardless of whether or not that person really enjoys the music. If the reality were just to distribute said release to "worthy" individuals, it would only really make sense to distribute it yourself. Obviously, for most bedroom black metal bands, pressing something in more than, for the sake of example, 100 copies doesn't make sense - in a lot of cases, all 100 will never sell; however, in some cases, it really is nothing but a marketing ploy, and in that case, it's irritating as fuck as someone who gives zero fucks about collecting, and would rather just be able to get a hold of the music.
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