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androdion
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:24 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
scans of my intronaut void disc, if anyone could compare theirs would be helpful

matrix - KJRY [logo] CDR UG 80E I441603

That's a CD-R man! The "matrix" gives it away, its reference is for a recordable CD with 80 minutes capacity.
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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:55 pm 
 

Pictures of the Napalm Death Peel Sessions CD

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:56 pm 
 

yeah it is aye, it looks quite different to other cdrs i have here though, maybe it's a promo?
the printed side looks good and the matrix looks like a properly mastered one but then it still has the printed text in the centre
why would anyone bother ripping this one off?

i'd be keen to find out some more about KJRY
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Code:
[url=http://i48.tinypic.com/24vv6kn.jpg][img]http://i48.tinypic.com/24vv6kn_th.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=http://i47.tinypic.com/289j6l1.jpg][img]http://i47.tinypic.com/289j6l1_th.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=http://i47.tinypic.com/9a01tl.jpg][img]http://i47.tinypic.com/9a01tl_th.jpg[/img][/url]
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:19 pm 
 

re napalm death peel session cd
this is the version i have: http://www.discogs.com/Napalm-Death-The-Peel-Sessions/release/1259115
the green disc is a bit of a worry, it's highly likely that some arsehole has bootlegged it, maybe hit up their website/forum?
or it could be some ultra rare mispress...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:35 pm 
 

I doubt the Peel Sessions CD is a bootleg. The matrix is a perfect match to the version in my collection made with clear polycarbonate. In addition I bought this collection to a guy that bought msot of those CD's before 2000. I dont think bootlegging was much of an issue back then. I have not tried playing it yet, not sure if the green plastic will make any difference in the laser reflection pick up.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:04 pm 
 

i too have not seen a disc like that, i have a few of the black [actually red] discs though
it'd be interesting to see what it sounds like
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:41 pm 
 

Hey carnival_corpse could you wrap some spoiler tags around the post with the pictures please? It's breaking up the page's formatting (at least in a 19" screen). These are the tags:

(spoiler) (/spoiler) - except they're with square brackets

To be honest that's not the first time I've seen a CD like that. In fact my copy of After Forever's Decipher, which comes in a slipcase in all similar to the 2006 Deluxe Edition of Dissection's The Somberlain, is in fact a goldish green. In all identical to the images posted, with the clear markings of laser imprinting and a slight "bleed" to the printed side. I purchased my copy at the time the album came out in an airtight and completely trusted CD store from which I bought many many things over the years. In fact Discogs has photos of that edition.

Now why is my copy of Decipher of that colour??? Fuck me if I know... I'm pretty sure that I've also seen an edition of Decapitated's Nihility album in the same moulds though. Goldish green CD surface and everything else standard. If memory serves it was the German edition but it was too long ago to remember properly. My guess is that your CD is the real deal and one of these odd "coloured" editions.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:17 am 
 

super ultra mega rare edition, you'd better send it here for me to test it to make sure :grin:
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:11 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
the green disc is a bit of a worry, it's highly likely that some arsehole has bootlegged it, maybe hit up their website/forum?

Not necessarily, I have a Six Feet Under CD, Graveyard Classics I think, where the playable side is blueish, and it's a original release, at least I don't think anyone would want to bootleg that. http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=649694
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people bootleg all kinds of non-rare stuff :boo:
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:49 pm 
 

I'm hoping someone more familiar with the following couple of items can help me out. I bought Angel Dust Into the Dark Past and to Dust You Will Decay, used from Amazon. The Amazon seller didn't list anything special about them such as being rare or OOP(At the time I didn't know the rarity of these two CDs), the description more or less just covered the condition of the actual items.

I recieved the the items today, and I checked the condition first, which as described, where in very good shape. Now that I know how rare they are I have been researching them. I'm still unsure of a couple of things, which is why I'm posting this here.

I'll start with To Dust You Will Decay and between the picture comparisons, discogs listing, and musik-sammler I have no reason to suspect that this one isn't real but here are some details of it just in case:
The sides of the inlay say Angel Dust / To Dust You Will Decay with Disaster CD 10008 at the other end
The Cd has 11 tracks with the songs Flight to Russia and Dawn of the End being labeled as bonus
The Book has the lyrics of all the songs other then the two bonus and a band photo on the last page. The back page of the booklet is the same as the inlay.
The only numbers on the inner ring of the cd which I'm geussing is the matrix for this is 10008 P+O-1509-A 06-88

The Into the Dark Past I used the Metal Treasure comparisons of the back page and mine so far checks out with the original shown on that site. The sides say Angel Dust on one side with Scratch 880 534 CD on the other.
The Cd has 8 tracks and the book contains the lyrics for all and live photos on the back page showing each member.
The only number on the inner ring of the CD is Scratch 880 534-905 P+O-0567-A 7-86

If any of this stands out as a red flag, please let me know. I may put some pictures up later when I get some time in order to provide better detail.

Thanks to anyone who can provide some help with this.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:42 pm 
 

Daemonlord, I summon thee! :D

Now more seriously, I can't be of much help besides telling you that as far as I know only the original editions exist and all other "later pressings" are bootlegs. There are some famous bootlegs, I think Brazilian, which where made around the turn of the century and are practically identical.

My only advice is to follow the golden rule: "If it looks like a deal that's too good to be true then it probably is!"
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:56 pm 
 

i'd like to see more images, this thread could be a great big catalogue of bootlegs and fakes complete with images :nods:
differences in fonts can be the only way to tell some fakes from the real deal so if you put up an image someone who has a copy can easily check for you
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:24 am 
 

Avanzada Metalica Bootlegs, are any known out there? Im interested in seeing pictures of the matrix number of Excruciating Pain from Avanzada Metalica. I have a sealed copy Im pretty sure is a bootleg, but I want to confirm comparing to a known original.

Will appreciate if someone can post pictures.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:22 am 
 

Does anyone have any knowledge of Manilla Road bootleg LPs or CDs? I know that there are a few listed on their site such as the Dreams of Eschaton demo CD and some of the stuff that was licensed without the permission of the band but with the permission of Black Dragon Records to magazines and such.

Anyone familiar with any others?
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just found a cianide - divide and conquer cd i want to buy, can anyone confirm this matrix info?
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cianide/Divide_and_Conquer/10579
merciless records
MRCD 013 P+O-49777-A1 09-00

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dreadmeat wrote:
just found a cianide - divide and conquer cd i want to buy, can anyone confirm this matrix info?
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cianide/Divide_and_Conquer/10579
merciless records
MRCD 013 P+O-49777-A1 09-00

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Yes, thats the same matrix number I have in my Cianide's Divide and Conquer

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:37 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
just found a cianide - divide and conquer cd i want to buy, can anyone confirm this matrix info?
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cianide/Divide_and_Conquer/10579
merciless records
MRCD 013 P+O-49777-A1 09-00
carnival_corpse wrote:
Yes, thats the same matrix number I have in my Cianide's Divide and Conquer

wicked, thanks man
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:06 pm 
 

Brutalizer79 wrote:
I'm hoping someone more familiar with the following couple of items can help me out. I bought Angel Dust Into the Dark Past and to Dust You Will Decay, used from Amazon. The Amazon seller didn't list anything special about them such as being rare or OOP(At the time I didn't know the rarity of these two CDs), the description more or less just covered the condition of the actual items.

I recieved the the items today, and I checked the condition first, which as described, where in very good shape. Now that I know how rare they are I have been researching them. I'm still unsure of a couple of things, which is why I'm posting this here.

I'll start with To Dust You Will Decay and between the picture comparisons, discogs listing, and musik-sammler I have no reason to suspect that this one isn't real but here are some details of it just in case:
The sides of the inlay say Angel Dust / To Dust You Will Decay with Disaster CD 10008 at the other end
The Cd has 11 tracks with the songs Flight to Russia and Dawn of the End being labeled as bonus
The Book has the lyrics of all the songs other then the two bonus and a band photo on the last page. The back page of the booklet is the same as the inlay.
The only numbers on the inner ring of the cd which I'm geussing is the matrix for this is 10008 P+O-1509-A 06-88

The Into the Dark Past I used the Metal Treasure comparisons of the back page and mine so far checks out with the original shown on that site. The sides say Angel Dust on one side with Scratch 880 534 CD on the other.
The Cd has 8 tracks and the book contains the lyrics for all and live photos on the back page showing each member.
The only number on the inner ring of the CD is Scratch 880 534-905 P+O-0567-A 7-86

If any of this stands out as a red flag, please let me know. I may put some pictures up later when I get some time in order to provide better detail.

Thanks to anyone who can provide some help with this.


Upload scans, describe is no good!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:19 am 
 

Hey,
Looking for an album that is yellow on black background drawling of a hooded bad ass ( grim reaper mabey?)dude throwing a ninja star or something sharp at you. Apparently it's a speed/thrash album from the 80's. My friend can't remember the name of this album and has been trying to find it, do you know what it is?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:32 am 
 

^^ it turns out it was the band was Virtue and the ep title being " We Stand and Fight".

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:18 pm 
 

Brutalizer79 wrote:
Thanks to anyone who can provide some help with this.


Original "To Dust You Will Decay" CD scans: 1 | 2
I hope it will help you to identify your CD. If the price wasn't like 200-300$ as it should be for original, I guess it's bootleg.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:36 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
these are my discoveries to date, i'll exclude the angelcorpse ones... they were obvious home-burns
Nebula - Peel Session
Once Dead - Vengeance Rising
Scorched-Earth - Mars

Discogs matrix info
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix

SID Code Implementation Guide [.pdf file]
http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/sid-code-implementation-guide.pdf

identification of pirate and counterfeit discs [.pdf file]
http://www.reportmusicpiracy.co.nz/Identifing_Pirate_CD-DVD.pdf


turns out Scorched-Earth - Mars is all above board, i bumped into someone who got a copy directly from the band.
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re Pungent Stench ‎– "Club Mondo Bizarre" For Members Only [censored, us version]

can anyone who has this confirm that the spines say NBA 6904-2 but the disc says NB 079-2
GEMA and LC xxxx [rights society and label code] on the disc
matrix says manufactured by KAO Optical Products i'll confirm specifics when i'm not playing the cd...

it has 14 songs [incl the karaoke ones] and a severely crippled booklet, 4 leaves no dodgy monkey pic etc :roll:

usa packaging german disc?
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dreadmeat wrote:
re Pungent Stench ‎– "Club Mondo Bizarre" For Members Only [censored, us version]

can anyone who has this confirm that the spines say NBA 6904-2 but the disc says NB 079-2
GEMA and LC xxxx [rights society and label code] on the disc
matrix says manufactured by KAO Optical Products i'll confirm specifics when i'm not playing the cd...

it has 14 songs [incl the karaoke ones] and a severely crippled booklet, 4 leaves no dodgy monkey pic etc :roll:

usa packaging german disc?



My copy has NBA RED 6097-2 on the spine, disc has LC 7027, GEMA P&C 1994, NB 079-2 ... Matrix is : Manufactured by KAO Optical...

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dreadmeat wrote:
re Pungent Stench ‎– "Club Mondo Bizarre" For Members Only [censored, us version]

can anyone who has this confirm that the spines say NBA 6904-2 but the disc says NB 079-2
GEMA and LC xxxx [rights society and label code] on the disc
matrix says manufactured by KAO Optical Products i'll confirm specifics when i'm not playing the cd...

it has 14 songs [incl the karaoke ones] and a severely crippled booklet, 4 leaves no dodgy monkey pic etc :roll:

usa packaging german disc?
carnival_corpse wrote:
My copy has NBA RED 6097-2 on the spine, disc has LC 7027, GEMA P&C 1994, NB 079-2 ... Matrix is : Manufactured by KAO Optical...

ok cool, looks like the same disc but with different packaging, yours has the 4 karaoke songs?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:11 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
re Pungent Stench ‎– "Club Mondo Bizarre" For Members Only [censored, us version]

can anyone who has this confirm that the spines say NBA 6904-2 but the disc says NB 079-2
GEMA and LC xxxx [rights society and label code] on the disc
matrix says manufactured by KAO Optical Products i'll confirm specifics when i'm not playing the cd...

it has 14 songs [incl the karaoke ones] and a severely crippled booklet, 4 leaves no dodgy monkey pic etc :roll:

usa packaging german disc?
carnival_corpse wrote:
My copy has NBA RED 6097-2 on the spine, disc has LC 7027, GEMA P&C 1994, NB 079-2 ... Matrix is : Manufactured by KAO Optical...

ok cool, looks like the same disc but with different packaging, yours has the 4 karaoke songs?


Yes, it has the 4 extra songs

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:49 pm 
 

cool, thanks.

anyone got an original Loudness - Hurricane Eyes cd?
WPCL-255

http://www.discogs.com/Loudness-Hurricane-Eyes/release/4114853
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Anyone have a first press of Master's Hammer - Jilemnice Occultist? I'd like to compare mine, which I purchased in a second hand store for $5 to an original copy.
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throw up some scans dude, disc and rear cover, i'd post the matrix info too and/or a photo of it
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dreadmeat wrote:
scans of my intronaut void disc, if anyone could compare theirs would be helpful
catalogue number - GFR042
barcode - 621617104228
matrix - KJRY [logo] CDR UG 80E I441603
printed - 5P80 1-2-1 0811010635-54

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any more comments of this intronaut void cd?
the booklet and rear cover look fine, the printed side of the disc also looks fine
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For those collectors out there. I have a copy of Viogression's Passage in Tombstone Records/Progressive International from 1992, however my matrix number has an IFPI code: THE PASSAGE X6829T IFPI L531

Didnt the IFPI codes started to be used in 1994? I will appreciate if any one can confirm if this matrix number is the correct one?

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that's correct mate, 1994 = ifpi sid codes
the ifpi.org site has that written somewhere but i can never find it, it might be on one of their .pdf forms
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dreadmeat wrote:
that's correct mate, 1994 = ifpi sid codes
the ifpi.org site has that written somewhere but i can never find it, it might be on one of their .pdf forms



Do you have this CD? If so, what is the matrix number in yours?

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no i don't have it mate i was just confirming the ifpi date question
have you had a look at discogs?

the page is incomplete
http://www.discogs.com/Viogression-Passage/release/2242496
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Deströyer 666 ‎– Unchain The Wolves CD
original or reissue from any country
can anyone confirm a distribution code on the rear cover, it'll possibly say IRS xxxxx
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I saw the Osmose version of Below the Lights at FYE about two years ago, and this version had a backslip with pictures of the band members on the back, but I didnt buy it that day. Instead, I picked it up at Reckless Records in Chicago IL a month or two later, but I noticed it had a different backslip, with the same artwork from the disc, and it also had a sticker that said it was for promotional use only and not for resale. Does anyone know if there is anything special about the promo version of this album? Was it released in limited quantities, handed out at concerts, released in a specific region, ect?

the matric is te036

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TE = The End Records, you possibly have the US promo version, the other promo on discogs is possibly the EU version
is that the entire matrix, verbatim?
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