Trist(cze) would be one of the more obvious recommendations, and you'll also probably like bands like Inferi(fin), Vesano, Black Silence, and Öde amongst countless other bands. If you weren't already familiar with the genre, these bands are generally considered to play DSBM. Though I'm not really sure if Hypothermia's more recent work still matches that term.

I am looking for old bands. Still this is a solid band I can get into one day.
I have heard the debut and I really like it. I will be sure to check out their other albums.
I like the demo "Dans La Forêt..." but the reviews for the other release are not that great. Are they worth checking out?
I am an Abyssic Hate fan. This release is quality instrumental Black Metal.
Sounds pretty good.
This sounds great. The keys are refreshing. What is even better is this is a 1 man band.
Know this. I love this album as well as everything I have heard by in In the Woods... This one is probably my favorite In The Woods... album.
Nice and oldschool. Not well know but solid early DSBM.
Sounds good. I dig the vocals.

Any other recommendations for pioneering DSBM and pioneering releases that influenced the genre?

I think the only thing you're missing now is I Shalt Become's Wanderings. The Inflabitan material might be considered as well.

For your first request:
Immortal- Pure Holocaust, Battles in the North and Blizzard Beasts
Funeral Mist- Salvation
Setherial- Lords of the Nightrealm
Zyklon-B- Blood Must Be Shed
Niden Div. 187- Impergium
Antaeus- Cut Your Flesh and Worship Satan

and for your second:
Abigor- Nachthymnen and Supreme Immortal Art
Setherial- Nord
Drautran- Unter dem Banner Der Northwinde
Kampfar- Mellom Skogkledde Aaser
Obtained Enslavement- Witchcraft
Manes- Under ein Blodraud Maane
Limbonic Art- In Abhorrence Dementia
Graveland- Creed of Iron

Huge fan of Trist, and I haven't heard of a few of the others, so I'll check them out!

Thanks!

so what hypothermia and trist album would you recommend?....oh and what mutilation album

Well, Hypothermia took a fairly large turn with Gråtoner, so just looking at works previous to that, I'd recommend them in roughly this order: Rakbladsvalsen, Köld, Lead Yourself to Failure, Sjuklig intention, split with Arkha Sva, split with Trist/Grimnir/Regnum, then Veins. I haven't listened to any of the demos in forever, but I don't really remember any of them being particularly noteworthy. I'm not really sure I'd advise anyone to listen to the their split with Aska, and I can't remember what Undergången was like. For later material I'd rank it like this: Gråtoner, Skogens hjärta, split with Black Howling, Kaffe & Blod.

For Trist, I'd rank their albums like this: Stíny, Zrcadlení melancholie, split with Kaxur / Holomráz, split with Korium, split with Grimnir/Regnum/Hypothermia, Sebevražední andělé, Říjen pod mlhou, then Black Veils. I don't think I've ever listened to Z Kraje Mrtvých Stinů, Pustota, or Prach Nesvěta and I don't recall ever having liked his first demo very much. I also haven't really listened to any of the newer stuff either.

Also, you mean Mutiilation? Most people would probably tell you to start with Vampires of Black Imperial Blood or Remains of a Ruined, Dead, Cursed Soul. I'd have to lean towards the latter.

For any of the splits, I only considered the side from the band who's albums I was ranking. So, while Dimhymn might not contribute as much as Hypothermia to Sjuklig intention, they still have what might quite possibly be the best outro to any song ever in Drakoforism.

thanks...cant wait till pay day!
what do you mean when you say hypothermia took a took "large turn" with gratoner?

I like all the Mutiilation albums, Black Millenium, Majestas Leprosus, and Sorrow Galaxies were amazing as well. Rattenkönig is probably my least listened to Mutiilation album, but it was still good. Awesome band, wish he didn't call it quits

Found a used copy of Xibalba's Ah Dzam Poop (tee hee) Ek this week. I had always kicked myself for not grabbing it when it was 5 bucks through NWN. I probably would have snapped this thing up a lot faster if someone had just plainly told me it's Bathory with some incredible little Mayan interludes. Really great stuff.

Since there are a couple of Windir fans here, I recommend you check out Istapp. Should also work for those who like Vintersorg, although the riffing is more melodic black metal with plenty of Nordic folk in the melodies. Some guitar leads are particularly reminiscent of earlier Ensiferum.

They're not exactly an unknown band, but little discussed.

An overlooked band indeed Ilwhyan, I have the compilation and debut cd and find them both an enjoyable listen, especially the debut album. They seem a bit quiet of late, l hope the reason for this is a new album in the works.

What are some good first wave black metal bands like venom, bathory, and hellhammer/celtic frost?

sacrofago: i.n.r.i.
destruction: sentence of death
sodom: in the sign of evil
sepultura: morbid visions / beastial devestation
mercyful fate: melissa / dont break the oath

all the above albums influenced future "black metal"

I listen to mercyful fate already, never really though of them with first wave black metal, but it makes sense to see them there, but i will check out the others, thanks.

none of them are really black metal more like proto black metal, stuff that influenced the second wave. another band of that ilk would be Bulldozer.

True, for some reason i really like the proto/first wave black bands but i can't get into the "true"/second wave black metal stuff for some reason.

Hi. I'm looking for black metal in the vein of Morrigan's Headcult album which is probably the most epic black metal thing I've heard in a while. Sounds like a lost and found Nordland record but more extreme (vocal-wise). Can you suggest me something like that?

who recommended Totalselfhatred...i don't think anyone did ,but after one listen it sounds total shite,nothing like the DSBM or even good atmospheric black metal i have been hearing lately.

but thanks to who ever recommended mutiilation "Remains of a Ruined, Dead, Cursed Soul" loving this

You might like Lucifugum (Ukraine) one of the most fucked up sounding bands ever... In a good way. I really like their album "Acme Adeptum"

haha just watching some of there youtube videos

Only first wave is true,
Also check out Midnight, N.M.E. and Warfare.

Yeah... black metal bands need to learn that their videos end up looking really goofy 90% of the time... Just look at Immortal

Immortal is a pretty bad representative for black metal.

I think their early stuff was a pretty good representative, but to each their own

you're even worse.


Those first 3 albums are KILLER. Don't make Abbath try and teach you guitar.

Gotta add Bulldozer, Italy and Sabbat, Japan. They both have flawless discographies (and believe me, Sabbat's really long), but I'd recommend The Day of Wrath from Bulldozer and the Sabbat EP by Sabbat.

The proto bands sounded more like thrash. My advice would be to keep listening until you want something that goes further than the proto sound.

what is "proto" black metal and "true" black metal??sorry i'm kind of new and mostly just listen to DSBM, but was just curious

Proto is the 'first wave', so stuff like Bathory, Celtic Frost and Hellhammer.

Then you have the 'second wave'-- the early 90s bands that switched from death metal to what is now known as black metal. Mayhem, Emperor, Immortal, Burzum are the most well-known/praised.

interesting
.and what is true,and where does venom fit in,was that before bathory and those bands?

When buddy says 'true', he's talking about black metal (2nd wave). Venom is also considered first-wave or proto-black metal, but again, the proto-black metal bands don't actually play the same black metal we all know and love. Venom are really just darker themed NWOBHM

yeah i have venom "black metal" and they sound very different to any burzum or mayhem or whatever

You can say Venom layed the blueprint, Bathory crafted the sound on the Under the Sign album then the likes of Mayhem, Darkthrone etc blew the gates wide open by unleashing the second wave and putting black metal firmly on the map. All the early bands played a part but personally I consider Venom to be the first but Bathory gave it the sound as well as creating another genre, the viking metal genre. Others touched on viking themes in the past but Quorthon took it by the horns and ran with it.

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ah,thanks,its all put into perspective now,and all these other sub genres branched off..i always like to know of and hear the roots of the music i listen to.

Venom had vast influence on numerous black metal bands, but I don't think their sound is much like what is commonly understood to be black metal. Much of the aesthetic, plus the fact that some legendary black metal musicians loved Venom and let it show in their music. Bathory was of course much more influental.

That said, it has been very long since I actually listened to Venom.

Well you should also consider that Venom influenced Bathory, so they get double influence points... Venomception.

Well, what I was trying to say is that while bands who inarguably formed the basis for (second wave) black metal were all obviously influenced by Venom, Venom's musical style did not end up becoming an integral part of the second wave sound.

Nope, Quorthon has stated that when he set out to start Bathory, he wanted to mix early Black Sabbath, Motorhead, and GBH and that he owned no Venom records.

The post joking around Ilwhyan, however to this I say

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