http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Braindead/60777

Currently listed as thrash metal, they later became an alternative rock band with a bit of funk.
Samples: http://www.myspace.com/braindeadpt

There's something that's been bugging me for a while, and do excuse me if I'm stirring old waters here.

Hate have their genre tag as "Death Metal (early), Death/Black Metal (later)", with the later tag probably due to their last album's approach to the sounds of Behemoth. However I can't hear black metal elements in any of their past three albums, as I suppose that the tag distinction is made on Anaclasis. Having the band dressed up in corpse paint doesn't make your music have black metal elements and I do think that they should just be described as "Death Metal".

With that thought in mind let's take a look at Behemoth. No doubt their first three albums are black metal, and no doubt as well that at least Satanica and Thelema.6 present themselves in a black/death sonority. It can be argued that Zos Kia Cultus still has, if barely, some black metal elements though. But what about from Demigod onwards? Where's the black metal in Behemoth's sound? Again I say that having a "black metal aesthetic" when it comes to choosing the wardrobe or the lyrical themes doesn't make your band sound or have elements of black metal in its music. Wouldn't it be more correct and accurate to have the genre tag as Black Metal (early), Black/Death Metal (mid), Death Metal (later)? It's been at least three albums and 8 years without mixing any black metal in there...

I'd like an honest opinion on this subject and not just a straight up dismissal that "things are going to remain as they are", because I do feel that the genre tags can be misleading on both bands. And since this is supposed to be as accurate as humanely possible...

By the way, no one revised Minsk's genre tag as well. It's been a while since I mentioned it here.

Hate to quote myself but I was expecting an answer to this.

Actually, I always wondered this myself. While it's true Hate's later albums had more of a "blackened" feel, I don't think it reflects well enough on their overall musical style as a whole.

It was probably due to the band's more orthodox approach to DM, and the fact their style evolved into something less standard whilst adopting black metal imagery...

I feel this may have been ignored.

I was only questioning grind 'n' roll because it's only applied to four bands on the archives.

Was this really necessary? I mean Gothic Metal has always been dubbed as a very illogical term much like Viking metal, Pagan metal, grunge etc. Moreover their sound hasn't changed at all. They've always had that atmospheric edge in their style of death/doom and it's quite common among bands of this typical style.

Kind of late to the party since the modification was made back in December, but I was browsing through The Gathering's page and noticed that the genre is now "Death/Doom Metal (early), Atmospheric Doom Metal (mid), Atmospheric Rock (later)".

Who am I to question one of the site's owners, but with that being said, why did you remove the "Gothic Metal" tag Morrigan? And I'm genuinely sorry if this has been posted before.

Soooo, Agalloch... your probably sick about talking about em, but Atmospheric Folk/Doom Metal, Post-rock/Metal? I mean, I get why maybe you aren't down to use the term Dark metal (although the band does seem quite similar to the likes of October Falls and Empyrium, and Faustian Echoes is kinda like Bethlem), but there's a huge black metal influence in there (the debut is pure Ulver worship, a few songs on The Mantle, and Marrow jumps back on to a lot of black metal tendencies, with Faustian Echo mainly being black metal orientated). Their metal riffing is mostly trebly tremelo picked powerchords more so than thick, slowly strummed, heavy riffs. Just can't see doom being the predominate metal influence there.

Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiIVluxcXNs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIF0d4PLsjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1BBI072etY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuOhBbaY3ns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQitsTvGvko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ih3JVrRPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0TN90YfPFQ

Point taken.

To be perfectly honest I always saw Mandylion and Nighttime Birds as gothic metal, more or less like a feminine version of what Draconian Times was doing at the time. That whole solemn atmosphere and the way the music was structured always made me look at it like that. Granted I haven't heard those albums for a long time now, I usually go back to HTMAP? or Souvenirs, which then again are even more hard to categorize than the rest. So since I can't exactly make a case that would stick I won't. I've been wanting to tackle that period for reviewing purposes (1995-2003) so I might just do that and voice my sentiments better.

As I said before, I was just curious because I never had thought of them as being anywhere near doom, thus me questioning the change of tags. It really doesn't bother me as much as I make it sound.