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Riffs
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:26 am 
 

Terri23 wrote:
I'm gonna call you out here Riffs. I think you're talking shit. Cite a few sources about Painkiller being recorded in parts


I'm not sure why you're asking this (since that's got little to do with the post you quoted) but unless Halford has multiple throats he uses to sing simulatenously, you can hear different voice tracks throughout the record, including the title song.

That's not a knock on Halford. Major artists who have money and hire producers like Chris Tsangarides would be crazy not to do so. And the whole purpose of going DDD is precisely to make that whole process of cutting, pasting and assembling tracks easier. There was no other logical reason to record digitally in 1990 BTW, as the actual recording lost a bit of warmth due to that technology not being very advanced at that time.

Terri23 wrote:
To add to this conversation, I'm simply going to cite age. It's affected every singer who's been around for any length of time. Eric Adams, Ian Gillan, James Hetfield, Bruce Dickinson, Tom Araya, and anyone else who's been around long enough. No doubt Halford's fast lifestyle didn't help, but simply put someone in their 40's just can not sound like he did in his 20's night after night.


That's true. A male singer who takes care of his voice and uses proper training will apparently hit his prime between 40 and 45 years old. Hard rock and metal singers seem to be pushing the envelope a lot more and a lot of them experience an earlier decline. That seems to vary a lot depending on singers. For instance Hetfield went down the drain quickly but Ronnie James Dio was recording Holy Diver at 42. His singing had changed but he could still kick ass. There are varying degrees of decline and changes to the voice and that's what is really important. I saw Eric Adams live when he was around 50 years old and he was still pretty damn good, he is gracefully declining. In contrast, Geoff Tate went down the shitter pretty fast and is almost insufferable.

The thing is, IMO you are better off setting realistic expectation in the studio because you have to live up to that material on tour. That's where I think Halford set the bar a bit too high in studio with albums like Ram It Down and Painkiller. He killed his voice trying to sing those songs night after night on tour. Those songs rocked, but it made him decline pretty suddenly.
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Terri23
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:29 am 
 

Abominatrix wrote:
Surprised this hasn't been brought up yet, but doesn't Halford smoke? Smoking will destroy much vocal ability over time, and it is definitely the worst enemy of a heavy metal singer, if high and clear vocals are required. Rob Lowe also smokes and his vocals are nowhere near as pristine as they were in the early 90s. I believe Geoff Tate is another example. Let's not blame Father Time alone for these depredations; it is possible to keep a strong voice going for many decades if you maintain a healthy lifestyle.


Missed this earlier. He certainly used to, but claims to have quit in a 2009 interview.

Riffs wrote:
I'm not sure why you're asking this (since that's got little to do with the post you quoted) but unless Halford has multiple throats he uses to sing simulatenously, you can hear different voice tracks throughout the record, including the title song.

That's not a knock on Halford. Major artists who have money and hire producers like Chris Tsangarides would be crazy not to do so. And the whole purpose of going DDD is precisely to make that whole process of cutting, pasting and assembling tracks easier. There was no other logical reason to record digitally in 1990 BTW, as the actual recording lost a bit of warmth due to that technology not being very advanced at that time.


It's one of the central points you made, but I digress. I'm not going to argue that some of the chorus' on the album were multi tracked, but that's hardly a new technique. I was however, asking for a source on the title track's main vocal being recorded in parts.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:13 pm 
 

As far as I am concerned barely any performer records his tracks in one take, so it should not be wrong to assume that Halford recorded his tracks in several takes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:22 pm 
 

DeathFog wrote:
As far as I am concerned barely any performer records his tracks in one take, so it should not be wrong to assume that Halford recorded his tracks in several takes.

Indeed, from what I've understood from my (limited) discussions with producers, even live-recorded albums may have vocal tracks recorded in another session.

Cult of Luna's Somewhere Along the Highway was live-recorded, and the songs being quite lenghty and having few challenging vocal parts it might be possible that they were recorded in merely one take. Halford's vocal parts are so technical and prone to mistakes that it's very unlikely that he recorded everything in one go.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:11 pm 
 

Terri23 wrote:

It's one of the central points you made, but I digress.


Are you sure you've got the right person or read what I wrote carefully? I didn't mention anything about multiple parts, so that couldn't be "my main point". Mentioning that a major recording artist for the giganormous Columbia Records recorded a DDD album in multiple takes would be as much of a breaking news as saying he was going bald at the time. Those things are obvious and don't need to pointed out. Or so I thought, until you intervened.

Anyways, if you've got issues with my actual original post and want to call it "bullshit", I've got no problem with that. Although to tell you the truth, there's no point in being belligerent about it as those are just my views on the situation as a long time Priest fan who experienced those years. It's not an expert opinion and I don't claim I am an insider when it comes to his voice box. We're just a bunch of people shooting the shit about this. There's nothing profoundly insulting about what I wrote, so what's with the attitude and telling people to "shut up"?

And if you insist on butting heads with people, it would be great if at least you disagreed with something they wrote as opposed to something you imagined.
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