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CHONGeYeD
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:25 am 
 
Well he specifically said made in Canada. I am also just going on what i have saw around the net and most people and sites tend to agree that this cd was never reissued or repressed in 90s. But i am 100% not sure hahahaha. Ohhh yeah the dilemma i have to do or not to do :)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:32 am 
 
http://www.discogs.com/label/Americ+Disc

you may find the info on this page interesting, or disturbing, take your pick
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CHONGeYeD
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:50 am 
 
dreadmeat wrote:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Americ+Disc

you may find the info on this page interesting, or disturbing, take your pick

Disturbing yes hahaha I miss good Kiwi humor.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:15 am 
 
dreadmeat wrote:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Americ+Disc

you may find the info on this page interesting, or disturbing, take your pick

Please take into consideration that a lot of the albums listed there are from major metal labels, Metal Blade and Relapse for instance, so use the information on that page wisely you guys! ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:24 pm 
 
CHONGeYeD wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Americ+Disc

you may find the info on this page interesting, or disturbing, take your pick

Disturbing yes hahaha I miss good Kiwi humor.

Cheers

are you one of us? :beer:
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:30 pm 
 
androdion wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Americ+Disc

you may find the info on this page interesting, or disturbing, take your pick

Please take into consideration that a lot of the albums listed there are from major metal labels, Metal Blade and Relapse for instance, so use the information on that page wisely you guys! ;)

for sure! apparently the RIAA website has more info.
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CHONGeYeD
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:13 pm 
 
Disturbing yes hahaha I miss good Kiwi humor.

Cheers[/quote]
are you one of us? :beer:[/quote]

Sorta, i am officially a NZ citizen as well as Canadian, my wife is from Christchurch and we lived down in Christchurch from 1989 to 1993. Damn, my mates would bug the piss out of me in the pub for my beer choice, Reineck (reminded me of canadain beer hahahaha) they all drank DB and Lion Red so on. Damn i loved how i could go and fill a 2 litre bottle of beer (rigger) up at Liquorland. Brilliant. Had a great time and lots of friends in NZ.
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CHONGeYeD
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:07 pm 
 
CHONGeYeD wrote:
Was there ever a repress of Razor's Shotgun Justice done mid 1990s distributed by Hellion Records? Matrix FZZ 2 177 FPD 3094. Or is it a Boot.

Here is a conversation between the seller and me

Me : "Hello, i see that you are from Russia, but selling cd out of Arizona?
was wondering about full Matrix, is it like this,with complex CD matrix, which includes engraved complex simbols (in English and in French), which printed backward + barcode lines etc. Let me know and thank you"

Me : "The last question was a little vague,her is a better one
Does the matrix have this in it, 708/ FDP3094 DISQUE AMERIC CANADA also with barcode symbols?"

Seller : "Hi Yes, I have two addresses. I live in Russia now
Also I have USA brother and use his address for Ebay sometimes
I collect CDs over 20 years
Sorry, why you ask me after end of auction?
In description of auction you can see that CD is 2nd edition.
RAZOR "Shotgun Justice" Megarare 2nd press cd released on Fringe in 90's,14 tracks(FDP3094),made in Canada.
Legendary canadian thrash metal....This is a reissue that came in 90's which was sold by Hellion records.
Matrix code is: FZZ 2 177 FPD 3094 No Ifpi code! and No barcode. Price for 1st press usually 400-600$
I think is insane becouse digital data fully compared to 1st press. Plays very fine."

Me : "Hmmm smells like a Russian Bootleg now, i thought you were from the United States and this maybe a real deal. But after researching that Matrix, it appears to be a bootleg. Yes i should have done my research better and actually looked at your feedback, where it says from Russian Federation, NOT Arizona. Shotgun Justice was never officially reissued. Some record companies that sell on line like shadow kingdom have this boot version for 16 $. "

Seller : "Hi This is not a russian boot. I think reissue of this title exist. I'm 100 percent good Ebayer. Ebay automaticaly change my address to Usa location after recent purchase for My brother at Phoenix Arizona. 70-80$ is real price for repress. Again, this is not Russian boot. I have these boots too for my Suv car listening. Matrix is different. 1st press that are you talking about costs 300-500$ really!
I can buy it from you for 200$ right now.
Please make your decide or I can cancel this purchase
Let me know"


So what do you people figure, is the Razor-Shotgun Justice a reissue, repress or Russian boot?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:45 am 
 
I'd say boot. When it comes to anything related to thrash, even though it isn't like End Amen for instance, you just can't be too cautious. But then again someone else might have a better saying in this than me.
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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:44 pm 
 
Great thread!!! Just a few comments/questions:

On the IFPI discussion, I recently started cataloging my CD collection using CATtrax. I have logged 390 CD's so far and in every one of them I entered the matrix info. Did a quick search and found the ollowing CD's pre 1994 with IFPI codes:

Anthrax Among the Living - Matrix : DIDX-001652 4 * ** ***** IFPI 5064 (Im pretty sure this is a reissue, but not sure what year it is)

Death Angel Act III - Matrix: MFG by UNT 2-24280 A60408Sc IFPI 1771 (Not sure what year this is)

Death Angel The Ultra Violence - Matrix: 72548 IFPI L125 :MASTERED: :BY NIMBUS: IFPI L125
and another version with matrix: WEA Mfg Olyphant Z17787 A4 P2 772548-2 01 M1S3 C1 IFPI 2U4C

Does any one knows if any of the CD's listed above have any versions without IFPI codes? And can you please list the matrix number?

Also, I have Coroner's Mental Vortex with matrix: DIDX-012116 1 *** *****, no IFPI code. This apparently was prressed in 1991 under catalog N2 4836. Can anyone please confirm?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:06 pm 
 
they may not necessarily be reissues, represses are common enough.
a repress is like an exact copy [or replica] of the original, but it was made at a later date using the same master stamper.
if it has an ifpi sid code it just means it was manufactured sometime in or after 1994

eg album comes out in 1987 and all copies are sold, they repress it in 1997 due to demand [not reissue] and sell all those copies
then they reissue it in 2007 = original first pressing, represses and reissues will be 3 separate entries in your database of choice, quite often with the same catalogue number but with almost certainly different matrices.

fascinating stuff indeed
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:28 pm 
 
The three albums you list were released in 1987 and 1990 so their first presses are without IPFI codes. The Ultra-Violence has a couple of pre-1994 editions if memory serves, I don't know about the rest. One is on Restless and the other on Enigma. Actually according to RYM there's also a Japanese edition dating from 1990 so you're bound to find three different editions without IPFI plus the two reissues.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:45 am 
 
the force is strong with this one :nods:
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WorldDecay
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:20 am 
 
Anyone knows details/further info regarding the two Satyricons sold as:

Nemesis Divina + Ten Horns, Ten Diadems
Shadowthrone + Megiddo

A quick google search seemed to point them as bootlegs.

If they indeed are boots, are there any versions of ND and Shadowthrone left out there, or are they both OOP?


On an unrelated note, for Gorgoroth's (Antichrist/Pentagram/UTSOH), is the regain or SOM reissue better, especially in terms of sound?
Read in the 'Good/bad remaster' thread awhile back that the Gorgoroth reissues have clipping problems.
(not sure if this is the right thread to ask this though)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:35 am 
 
Don't know about them being boots or not, but on accounts of availability I can say that both Nemesis Divina and The Shadowthrone can be found online relatively easy. Can't say anything about the Gorgoroth remasters as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:27 pm 
 
speaking of clipping and 'loudness' i played my abscess 'seminal vampires and maggotmen' [original] cd the other day among some newer stuff, fuck it's loud!
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Daemonlord
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:09 am 
 
WorldDecay wrote:
Anyone knows details/further info regarding the two Satyricons sold as:

Nemesis Divina + Ten Horns, Ten Diadems
Shadowthrone + Megiddo

A quick google search seemed to point them as bootlegs.

If they indeed are boots, are there any versions of ND and Shadowthrone left out there, or are they both OOP?


On an unrelated note, for Gorgoroth's (Antichrist/Pentagram/UTSOH), is the regain or SOM reissue better, especially in terms of sound?
Read in the 'Good/bad remaster' thread awhile back that the Gorgoroth reissues have clipping problems.
(not sure if this is the right thread to ask this though)


The two on one releases for any Moonfog titles are Russian bootlegs. I have the bootleg Burzum 2-on-1 ones myself (alongside the originals, of course!). Both albums are still in print (distributed by Plastichead), but as androdion said, you can get them just about anywhere 2nd hand pretty easily.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:45 pm 
 
some RE-PRESS or REISSUE cds have a very small and Invisible IFPI code on circle of cd not on a matrix number, we must check it cds more carefully.
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metaldiscussor666
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:19 pm 
 
So, I picked up this kreator CD. Since it's not really a very collectable CD in general, and I didn't pay much, not sure it really matters. I'm just curious. It's a brazilian pressing, apparently. It doesn't show up on discogs or anything when I checked the matrix code and catalog number. I assume it's simply a bootleg, but it's weird because I doubt any other kreator CDs have brazilian and american text on the back. Even the copyright information on the top of the CD is in brazilian and american.

Matrix code: NOVADISC BR 221582 718/05
IFPI LG81
Catalog: Century media 22158-2

So, I have no idea.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:23 pm 
 
there's plenty of legitimately pressed brazillian stuff out there, perhaps add it to the discogs database
i have this http://www.discogs.com/Funerus-Festering-Earth/release/3745783
and this http://www.discogs.com/Incantation-Blasphemy-In-Brazil-Tour-2001/release/666530
it must be cheap to get cds made down there?

http://www.novodisc.com.br/ =/= http://www.discogs.com/label/Novodisc+BR
different spelling... interesting
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:33 pm 
 
dreadmeat wrote:
http://www.novodisc.com.br/ =/= http://www.discogs.com/label/Novodisc+BR
different spelling... interesting

Where? Do you mean the lower case vs upper case or the BR vs Brasil thing?

There are a lot of South American presses circling around the world and most of them, as the legitimate Russian ones, are duly licensed.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:43 pm 
 
NOVADISC vs NOVODISC :scratch:
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:47 pm 
 
dreadmeat wrote:
NOVADISC vs NOVODISC :scratch:

:durr:

Yeah, that. Might be nothing since in Portuguese "novo" and "nova" both mean "new", only one is the male form and the other the female. So as I say it might be nothing.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:22 pm 
 
Good going guys. You invoked my lazy ass into rising from it's resting place and embarking on a perilous journey to 3 feet away to grab the CD and look at the matrix code again. So close yet far, ya know?

Yes, I confirm it does say NOVO, not NOVA. I stand corrected.
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All is well then! :p
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:35 pm 
 
So, I found what appears to be a first press mayhem deathcrush on viny. It looks like it's in perfect condition, on gold vinyl. Posercorpse music. The only dilemma I see, is that the album appears to be limited to 666 and not 1000. I assume that means that it's for sure a bootleg?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:45 pm 
 
chuck up some photos, not shit ones like in the recent purchase thread, can you read/reproduce the runout info?

androdion ha ha yeah classic :lol:
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:56 pm 
 
dreadmeat wrote:
chuck up some photos, not shit ones like in the recent purchase thread, can you read/reproduce the runout info?

Since I left it out at the store, to be shipped to my local store (I had to drive 30 minutes away for those purchases) it will have to wait. I don't know what runout info is. I can however take a picture of whatever part of the album is necessary.

...Sorry about the quality of that recent purchases thread picture.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:05 pm 
 
stamps and etchings in the non-music containing parts of the record, can be really hard to see, daylight and some goofy lighting or weird glasses can help.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:24 pm 
 
dreadmeat wrote:
androdion ha ha yeah classic :lol:

Still with the lettering jokes are we? :D

@ metaldiscussor666 - take a look at this article, you'll get some good teachings out of it. ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:30 pm 
 
whenever i see "enter the matrix" it makes me laugh
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This will be our private joke from now on. :D
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:27 pm 
 
re Deathcrush i just had a quick look on discogs, why would anyone pay close to 300 euros for an unofficial bootleg?! some people are mental :nono:
metaldiscussor666 - how much was it going for? i'm no mayhem expert but i wouldn't go paying too much for it...

androdion wrote:
This will be our private joke from now on. :D

i think it's going in my discogs profile :nods:
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dreadmeat wrote:
re Deathcrush i just had a quick look on discogs, why would anyone pay close to 300 euros for an unofficial bootleg?! some people are mental :nono:
metaldiscussor666 - how much was it going for? i'm no mayhem expert but i wouldn't go paying too much for it...

androdion wrote:
This will be our private joke from now on. :D

i think it's going in my discogs profile :nods:

It's 80 dollars. I'm seriously apprehensive about it. I want to know exactly what I would be getting myself into. Especially when i'm already sure it's not a first press. I want to do some more investigating though.
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Remember the golden rule:

"If it looks too good to be true then it probably is!"
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:05 pm 
 
Is there any way to get help in here regarding my Odium vinyl? It`s "Under the realm of the stars"

I have no idea how to make sure this is okay to sell to anyone under the impression that they are getting the right press - if there exist more than one press of it..

It says "under the license from Nocturnal Art Productions" - I guess there was only a CD-version at first.
furthermore; "In Vision Musik!" has the worldwide distribution.

INV001/ECLIPSE 010 - is giving me chills when I my mind wanders to thinking this is the first one pressed, out of 200.

Is there any more relevant info I can give you to help me out here?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:05 pm 
 
I have a copy of Paramaecium's Exhumed of the Earth on R.E.X. Records. Discogs shows there 2 pressings on R.E.X Records. Mine is catalog 41005-2. Does anyone know if there is a bootleg version of this CD? The matrix number on my disc is DISC MFG, INC. (H) W.O. 101493-1P REX410052. Everythin matches the version shown in Discogs, even the font type of the matrix as seen in the pictures in Discogs, however the type of font used in this CD is very different from other CD's I have manufactured by DISC MFG, Inc. In all my other CD's the font is smaller and thinner. In this one the font is larger and bold, clearly seen in the pictures in Discogs. So, could this be a bootleg that made it into Discogs? Will appreciate any comments.
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carnival_corpse wrote:
So, could this be a bootleg that made it into Discogs?
firstly mate, discogs is the perfect place to list bootlegs, look under the "unofficial" heading on the left hand side of the page.
i have five releases pressed by Disc Manufacturing, Inc. if you put up a photo of the matrix etc i'd be happy to compare them

when you guys ask for help in here post photos or scans, a picture paints a thousand words :nods:
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MariusBR wrote:
Is there any way to get help in here regarding my Odium vinyl? It`s "Under the realm of the stars"

I have no idea how to make sure this is okay to sell to anyone under the impression that they are getting the right press - if there exist more than one press of it..

It says "under the license from Nocturnal Art Productions" - I guess there was only a CD-version at first.
furthermore; "In Vision Musik!" has the worldwide distribution.

INV001/ECLIPSE 010 - is giving me chills when I my mind wanders to thinking this is the first one pressed, out of 200.

Is there any more relevant info I can give you to help me out here?

to have a clear conscience just provide them with all the info on the release so they can look it up, give them some really good clear photos or scans too, and don't label it "first press" or "original" if you aren't 100% sure.
can you put the runout info here? it's the text inscribed/pressed into the runout area of the record
have you looked on discogs, musik sammler, gemm, popsike etc?

also try to spell the title correctly :p
The Sad Realm Of The Stars / Under the realm of the stars
http://www.discogs.com/Odium-The-Sad-Realm-Of-The-Stars/release/2183500
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Odium/The_Sad_Realm_of_the_Stars/15927
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:57 pm 
 
This the link from Discogs with a picture of the disk where you can see the matrix number. This is the exact one I have.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3615416
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