No worries guys,

I fully understand. Sorry i only have the facebook email for him. Most of the time i keep in touch with friends over facebook rather than email these days! But that email should work.
Any problems, you can throw me an email and i'll try to find more contacts - e.g i can ask Chris for his daily email address.

Anyways, cheers, and keep up the good work!

p.s., should i resubmit now, or wait till you've had confirmation from him?

You can resubmit... and should Chris get back to me and confirm your story is bullshit (which I trust it isn't ), I can always delete your band. But for now, I suppose there's nothing I can do to DISPROVE the project, since you're an ex-member and all...

Cool,
thanks again!
Matt.

Why is across the sun blacklisted? I wanted to add their album to my collection but they are not on the site and I can't add them.
And I would think they are metal enough? no?

Thanks

Unacceptable metalcore.

oh it's the same thing every time on this site Mallcore or metalcore, I don't know why this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW58kb7sZCg) is called metalcore? but it isn't....

Well, in large part because that band's music is mainly based in a -core style of music, and not so much in heavy metal with heavy metal riffs.

This site has a very solid definition of what it considers "metal enough," and that's largely founded on the use (by artists and bands) of metal riffs as the dominant basis of their music... Not as an influence (which is very common in metalcore and less so in mallcore), or through solos independent of the rest of the music. This is not to discredit the enjoyability of those genres, or to suggest that we are the authority on what is universally metal or not, but that is how this site distinguishes itself from the potential problem of diffusion. Namely, in trying to avoid being an "Encyclopedia of Everything" when it comes to music, we need to draw lines in the sand, and relying on metal riffs as defining "metal enough" is that line.

DAMNATUM>>here are 2 links for the songs http://www.petertat2studio.com/clue/Song1.mp3
http://www.petertat2studio.com/clue/Song2.mp3
and here is the link for the bar where we play a show on oct 7 demo release with another orion productions band (AGRATH) http://theacheronbk.blogspot.com/2012_1 ... chive.html
and here you can see some pics from the show http://www.justinav.info/?p=1096

OK fine with me

foadx2, has the band produced any physical releases, such as a DVD, CD, CDr, tape or vinyl? Or is it just an mp3 band?

Because as the rules clearly state, a band needs one fully metallic, physical release in circulation before they can be accepted onto the site.

Well... I really do not understand why Tony Mills was rejected. I'll use an example very similar as parameter. Bob Catley was accepted on that site because of ONE album supposedly Metal-oriented (to date), the rest of his discography is AOR. Same thing happens with Tony Mills. But the only Metal album released by Tony Mills is much more 'Metal' than that one of Bob Catley. Moreover, 'When Burns Empire' is totally Hard Rock, I do not know where's the "metal enough" in this album. But that's okay! Although it's strange... I like to see here on the site, it's good to have organized his discography here! Metallum's database is a lot better than the Heavy Harmonies indeed.

I sent along with the submission, several reviews to show that it is not just me who think that. Come on... Heavy/Prog total Queensryche-worship.

This isn't "metal enough"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isvZKmzPVmE

And this is "metal enough"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9TtoohOfk

Ok then!

Andre, it's more a case of him coming into the metal scene from the wrong angle. This is a man whose background lies in AOR and even smooth jazz, and he suddenly releases a metal album. For bands who've spent the former half of their career playing decidedly non-metal music, it takes a sharp, severe turn into the metal world for their music to be of relevance to the site.

Hell, take Tombs. Their last full-length was certainly metallic in its own right, but because the band comes from a background of post-rock, the band remains blacklisted because the metallic material still bore too many similarities to the band's non-metal stuff. Does that make sense? And you're submitting a former AOR vocalist who's now dabbling in metal... I'm afraid it'll take more than that.

No need to post this here, simply include the additional samples and resubmit.

Your explanation is convincing. Thanks!

I think that the project "Dreamerion" should not be on the blacklist.

1. Dreamerion play in metal bands, example:
2. Dreamerion has physical release, exmple:
3. Dreamerion is influenced by metal music, example:

Greets

Okay, hang on, what're you saying? That your side-project is entitled to fit under the side-project rule, because you've been involved in other metal bands in the past? Sorry mate, it doesn't quite work like that. If it did, the whole site would be drowning in every man and his dog's bedroom projects that have absolutely NOTHING to do with metal... the only side-projects that're permitted on the site are those that've been created by prestige metal musicians in TANDEM with their main, metal projects.


Aside from a few harsh vocals, there was absolutely NOTHING on that track that reminded me of metal....

This band (Rakus from Pakistan) should be ok as Death metal/Crust Punk? i can't hear if it's more metal than punk.
- http://www.myspace.com/rakus101

That's solid crust, dude...

My band submission for Truckfighters was just rejected because "Stoner rock, not a metal band; does not belong on Encyclopaedia Metallum."
But I have seen quite a few bands on here which have "Stoner Rock" listed as a genre. So what is up with this?
If I'm coming off as irritated or anything like that, I'm not. Just curious.

Those bands were judged predominantly metal, even though they have other influences/elements to warrant including other genres in the field. Often it's something like "stoner rock/metal" for certain hybrids that are still thought to be metallic enough. I know stoner music can be tricky sometimes, but Truckfighters are more fuzzy rock than metal to my ears. The riffs are mostly pure rock.

There shouldn't be any bands in the database with only "stoner rock" in the genre field (unless it's a side-project I'm not aware of). If you find any, report them.

Oh okay. The main reason I was trying to object its rejection was because I spent a few hours trying to get all of the info together.
And even then I still didn't get everything haha.

Hello once again!


I'd like to object to the rejection of As Myth. They have one physically released EP out so far and were rejected for being -Core. Not a metal band.

While they are without the shadow of a doubt a deathcore band, their sound is far more focused on death metal than hardcore in my opinion. Some songs have breakdowns, some don't.

Songs:

Plagues of Time (Song 5 on the EP): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFWIbtVm18

Nightmares of the Masses (Song 3 on the EP): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ3BTrFlxOo

The whole EP can be downloaded here: http://www.mediafire.com/?mqvv45o0s0jsyps (uploaded by the band)

Thanks for looking into this!

Sorry, but I've got to agree with the blacklist here. Very Suicide Silence-y.

The thread is called "Why was band X rejected/deleted", you've been given a reason, please try to respect that.

For what it's worth, as a casual observer of site goings-on, there was a purge of a lot of stoner rock bands a while back. Monster Magnet and Fu Manchu were two of the biggest names to get the boot. Given that "stoner rock" seems to have its own group of fans , even if it seems fairly metallic, it should be very obviously based in metal (like Electric Wizard) to get added to the site.

The line in such cases is very blurry, so the site mods just want there to be no question which side of the line the band is on.

When?

Why was Lady Beast rejected? I read the following on their label website : "In June 2011 Lady Beast recorded its first self titled album, and released the metal madness in the summer of 2012"

Source : http://www.inferno-records.net/

Yes, released digitally. Note the bit on the page that says this:

Keywords: will shortly be. That's still in the future, dude. Resubmit once it's been ANNOUNCED as physically available.

I don't know anything about Fu Manchu, but given that Monster Magnet has never been accepted and was in fact blacklisted in the earliest days of the site, I'd say.... you're talking out of your ass?

Really? I could have sworn they were on here sometime circa 2007-2008ish. I mean, you own the site so you'd know better than I, but I really thought I saw them on here at some point. I remember being surprised at seeing them, but I could just be imagining everything. Fu Manchu I'm more certain was on here, though, because I have The Action Is Go and I remember adding that to my collection. Again, would have been around 2007ish. But maybe I am completely delusional.

Let the record stand, though, that I am fully in support of such bands not being added to the archives.

Definitely sure. Monster Magnet was the 14th band added to the blacklist, according to the database. That means it was blacklisted a long-ass time ago. You might be confusing them with someone else...

I'm guessing Slipknot was number 1?

My guess is Limp Bizkit.

I'm like 70% sure that Fu Manchu was not in the database around 2007, or shortly before or after. They are the archetypical stoner rock as opposed to metal band for me.

Hi there,

The band 'Heidensang' that I submitted was rejected for this reason:

"Considering you were the one who added those scans to Discogs, I'm afraid that really doesn't tell us much about distribution - especially since the discface itself is a sharpied CDr. Isn't there a better way you can validate the band's existence? The link to their site is dead and isn't stored on the Wayback Machine, either."

I was indeed the one you put the scans on Discogs - this was sent to me with an order of CDs a few months ago, and I only just got around to reviewing it (rough as guts black metal - 2nd worst production quality I've encountered yet). I have no other way to validate it's existence, aside from doing something kind of illegal and putting a digital copy of the music up on Dropbox for you. One thing I did realise, though, was that I mis-spelled the band's old URL - it should be:

www.heidensang.de

...which does come up on the wayback machine (at least, the URL was tracked, though the old web-site can't be retrieved through wayback):

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http:/ ... densang.de

Thoughts..?

Wendy O. Williams is blacklisted, but the album "WOW" 1984 is metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHcqoyeWNMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevAYepawaQ

Her releases are here under the name Plasmatics, but albums were released under the name Wendy O. Williams.

Ok, this band was rejected on the basis of being punk-based grindcore. Really?

http://beardwithoutamustache.bandcamp.com/album/miraculous-fatality

In what ways? Besides the short song lengths.

Hrm, this sounds like acceptably metallic/riffy grindcore in the vein of Pig Destroyer. Seems I was too hasty in rejecting them... sorry. You can resubmit.


Well for starters, you'll need to supply us with song samples before we can approve your band, so like it or not, you'll need to do something "illegal" and send us a few ripped tracks to listen to. Normally we only need a few songs to ascertain a band's "metalness", but for borderline cases like raw black metal, it's best to have the entire release to evaluate properly. Otherwise, we might have a band with two metal songs out of 8 noise/fuzz/static recordings accepted on a metal site... no thanks.

Alright. Now, as for the distribution... how did you get in touch with the band? Do they have an e-mail address or web presence that one could get in touch with them to verify the existence of the demo's distribution?

This is about Project Silence, there is recorded evidence that they are metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... qCWkDkMN0A

Those two sound like she might be acceptable, although the second track is more rock. It's blacklisted for being punk rock? I remember listening to some more of her solo stuff, 80s rock/metal or something. Any mod know more about her material?


It's not conclusive, but also might be acceptable. You'll have to wait until the physical album is released in any case. And when it is, post complete (studio) songs from it here.