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aeternus1990
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Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 9:46 am
Posts: 466
Location: Russia
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:57 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/users/Vrahk
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/The%20Sween
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/Inhuman_Nameless
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/Infernalblackflame

They are doing it, especially they like adding Depressive Illusions Records @ Myspace etc...

To be honest, I don't understand, one mod said don't delete label links even if there's links to the main page, and you give an advice that only direct link to the band's page on the label is useful... Where is the truth?

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Alhadis
Madder Max

Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:35 am
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:29 am 
 

I understand Fulgurius gave you crap about it once before, and I'm still not sure why. We have label pages now, and the only relevant label-related links that now belong on band pages are ones that link to a band-relevant page on said label's website. So unless it's some bizarre case where a band's home page is also the same as a label's page (such as some remote underground BM band serving as their own distro, or something similarly weird), links to label-only pages belong on LABEL pages, NOT band pages.

EDIT: I've sent a notice to each of those users, save Inhuman_Nameless (Sergei/Moloch/Depressive Illusions), who doesn't appear to have added such links recently.

Please report any such instances of this behaviour in future.
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And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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aeternus1990
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Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 9:46 am
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Location: Russia
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:49 am 
 

That was a case with http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Deadfall/3540336102
http://legis.orthodox666.ru/bbtc/morbid_curses.htm
This link is on the band's page. The argument not to delete it was that it's the only Internet reference to the band, the band doesn't have any sources in the Web. Other argument that we should save the first source of the band's entry on MA, because band was added to MA because of this source. As the real encyclopedia have sources from where authors took the information. Good point, but I'm not sure what to do with those links. Leave 'em, delete 'em or probably don't care about 'em.

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Alhadis
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:53 am 
 

That link that's up there now is pretty much the closest one can pinpoint the band's presence on the label's site.

So yeah, ordinarily you'd have a URL to something like http://bbtc.bigcartel.com/artist/Deadfall or something, but since it's a self-managed HTML site operated by somebody who likely knows fuck-all about web design, the only band-relevant page is the one that's showing a list of every release.
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grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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Fulgurius
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Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:51 am
Posts: 1067
Location: Ukraine
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:58 am 
 

I warned him when he was mindlessly deleting label links, especially for the bands that didn't have any other internet sources. Yet I don't encourage no less mindless adding of links, especially if those are just facebook/myspace pages. In short, if that's a big label having a separate page for each band - fine, add a direct link to that page. If the label site has "Releases" page with information on the bands and releases (as opposed to separate page for each band or simple distro list) - that should be fine as well. If that's an official merchandiser - there should be direct link to the band's merchandise, if any. Links to label's myspace, facebook, bigcartel etc should go to the label pages.
In any case, I don't like the user adding or deleting links en masse just because they need to find a way to get points. If you want to contribute, dedicate your time to the search of missing info or working on reports.

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Alhadis
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:01 am 
 

And that's pretty much it. :)

So aeternus1990, in summary... when dealing with obscure bands with very basic/limited distribution, it's best to leave label links standing as long as they point to something relevant to ordering the band's releases. And these should only be added when there really isn't any other source of info on the band available (such as Deadfall).
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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aeternus1990
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:05 am 
 

Thanks very much both of you, now this is clear.

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HouseSpiders
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:05 am
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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:37 am 
 

As well as adding badly written additional notes, http://www.metal-archives.com/users/sumatra adds artists' real names to the additional notes because he doesn't have the access to edit their real names.
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Alhadis
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Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:35 am
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:19 pm 
 

HouseSpiders wrote:
adds artists' real names to the additional notes because he doesn't have the access to edit their real names.

... where?
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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HouseSpiders
Metal newbie

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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:26 pm 
 

Here's one of them.
http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/A ... ash/198392

Here's another but I've already cleaned up this one.
http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Pojo/459102

There are quite a few others according to his modification history.
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Alhadis
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:35 pm 
 

I've sent him a message.
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grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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OpsiusCato
Mexican Metal Inquisition

Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:42 am
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Location: Mexico
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:17 pm 
 

I'm starting to think that this sumatra dude doesn't speak/read English...
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HouseSpiders
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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:25 am 
 

Some people love their score, and the guy linked below would appear to be one of those people. Lyrics/lengths one by one.
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/shadowcastfan
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Azmodes
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Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
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Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:31 am 
 

HouseSpiders wrote:
Some people love their score, and the guy linked below would appear to be one of those people. Lyrics/lengths one by one.
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/shadowcastfan

Warning sent.
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oogboog
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Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:09 pm
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:34 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/users/nat ... on_history
Looks like this person's adding random line-ups.
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Alhadis
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Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:35 am
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:46 pm 
 

Sent him a message telling him to tell me his sources.
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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HouseSpiders
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Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:05 am
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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:02 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/users/Sly93 is unnecessarily changing "MySpace" links to "Myspace".
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"Pointwhoring is no fun. Pointwhoring endangers the life and happiness of millions. It must stop. We appeal in particular to the youth of today, stop the madness. There are better things in life."

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Alhadis
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:07 pm 
 

He's not doing it indiscriminately to my understanding; only when he encounters it.
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J_Ason wrote:
grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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OpsiusCato
Mexican Metal Inquisition

Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:42 am
Posts: 1287
Location: Mexico
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:09 pm 
 

After checking the modification history, I agree with Alhadis.
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HouseSpiders
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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:09 pm 
 

Yeah I don't think he's doing it indiscriminately either, but I just thought that those updates were a bit pointless... but whatever you say. :)
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Azmodes
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Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
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Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:23 pm 
 

It's the correct spelling if one wants to be totally exact, changing it when you encounter it is fine. Just don't go on a hunting trip.

Sly93 isn't a point-whore in any case.
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HouseSpiders
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:26 pm 
 

Yeah, he's no point-whore, I thought he might just need to be messaged, I thought "MySpace" was also slightly more correct, but obviously I was wrong about all this. ;)
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:54 pm 
 

"MySpace" was the way the site's name was originally capitalised before they changed the style of it. Now it looks crap, IMHO. :rolleyes:
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grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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Obscurum
Emperor of the Shadows

Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:23 am
Posts: 378
Location: United States
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:48 am 
 

Myspace was also previously typeset as "My_____" which is currently obsolete as is "MySpace." Yeah, I only correct them when I see them--no "hunting them down"--and I won't jeopardize my future contributions to this site by making pointless updates; to my understanding changing them to "Myspace" qualifies as correcting typos, as they are, technically. To me there is no significant difference between "~ @ Myspace" and simply "Myspace," and in those cases I leave them alone, as they don't require correction and changing them would possibly be accurately construed as point-whoring.
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Charlo
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Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:05 am
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:07 am 
 

Oops. I've been changing them to MySpace as I've run across them since I thought that was the preferred spelling. ReverbNation, SoundCloud, Facebook, Myspace...I think I've got it now.

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Obscurum
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:13 am 
 

PureVolume, eMusic, iTunes, etc. If all else, Google it and it'll tell you.
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HouseSpiders
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:00 pm 
 

Now, unlike Sly93, this guy IS a point-whore. He's been adding lyrics/lengths one by one!
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/Walpurgis_
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Haat888
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Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 1:35 pm
Posts: 99
Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:22 pm 
 

User nekrothanatos is adding useless links

Ex: Calliophis (Ger)

2012-11-09 11:21:12 nekrothanatos Added link: Band Bio
2012-11-09 11:20:32 nekrothanatos Added link: Detailed discography
2012-11-09 11:20:09 nekrothanatos Added link: More Lyrics
2012-11-09 11:19:41 nekrothanatos Added link: Lyrics
2012-11-09 11:18:59 nekrothanatos Added link: Interview

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Alhadis
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:07 pm 
 

Holy shit. :| What a mess... sending him a lengthy warning now...

Done. Somebody feel like cleaning up his shit? :ugh:
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grinder12345 wrote:
And you says that metal is about the riffs, that is bollocks, cause then black and death bands wouldn't get accepted, cause the play termolo-riffs.

they payl termolo! not real riff!

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DreadlockMocio
Metal newbie

Joined: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:05 pm
Posts: 49
Location: Italy
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:53 pm 
 

An idiot added "gay" in the alternate name section, tell something to this retarded child (There's also an opened report since months!!)
- http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Crush%21/3540338292

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Azmodes
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Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:58 pm 
 

DreadlockMocio wrote:
An idiot added "gay" in the alternate name section, tell something to this retarded child (There's also an opened report since months!!)
- http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Crush%21/3540338292

Removed it and banned the user who added it.
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HouseSpiders
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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:33 pm 
 

Some more lyrics and lengths one by one... :panda:
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/ObscurusKvlt
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:40 pm 
 

HouseSpiders wrote:
Some more lyrics and lengths one by one... :panda:
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/ObscurusKvlt

Warned one last time.
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Insidiae
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:57 pm
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:25 am 
 

When I reported a wrong album/track title I stumbled across some strange modifications, some of them leading to the errors. I contributed nothing compared to this "metal demon" but since it's not the first time the user is mentioned and warned here it goes:

http://www.metal-archives.com/history/v ... /id/234605
2011-04-26 lowers the case of some words, normal. One month and a half later remembers to (in)correct the track again.
2011-06-14 edits additional notes, one month later remembers that has another update to do there.
2012-08-09 changes the release date, some weeks later reverts it again to the original date. (!?)

I find those spaced edits a bit odd, at least when I'm verifying data I try to resolve it in one time and all these modifications happened in 5 different weeks. Oh and the lyrics are in the booklet... but I guess it's too much work.

Accessing the profile I find these: YouTube » YouTube Channel; MySpace » Myspace; even Homepage » Home Page changing a bit "aggressive".

There's a lot of work mixed with pointless stuff.

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Azmodes
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Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
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Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:24 am 
 

Insidiae wrote:
When I reported a wrong album/track title I stumbled across some strange modifications, some of them leading to the errors. I contributed nothing compared to this "metal demon" but since it's not the first time the user is mentioned and warned here it goes:

http://www.metal-archives.com/history/v ... /id/234605
2011-04-26 lowers the case of some words, normal. One month and a half later remembers to (in)correct the track again.
2011-06-14 edits additional notes, one month later remembers that has another update to do there.
2012-08-09 changes the release date, some weeks later reverts it again to the original date. (!?)

Seems like a simple mistake she later corrected. This would be a rather tiresome way of pointwhoring, especially when one is already a Metal Demon.

Her other edits, also the ones for links, seem fine to me. There's a difference between a Youtube playlist and other things not controlled by the band and an actual Youtube channel.

Granted, she has been warned and sent notices many times, but mostly about minor things that have been accumulating.
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Zorg85
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Location: Austria
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:43 pm 
 

Unherz:

1. Can't fu**ing correct reports accurately (I had to recorrect some but Alhadis already told him)
2. Pointwhoring: adding track lengths 1 by 1

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Sp ... ion/294105

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HouseSpiders
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Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:01 pm 
 

This guy adds lyrics to albums in a way that gets him undeserved points!
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/OdiumFan2009
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Azmodes
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Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:26 pm 
 

Unherz and OdiumFan2009 warned.
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HouseSpiders
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:51 pm 
 

Lyrics/lengths one by one!
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HouseSpiders
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:25 pm 
 

Another one doing the same crime. And this one's earned himself a lot of points from those song lengths one by one.
http://www.metal-archives.com/users/Gravelander89
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