Ah, fair enough. I'll keep a look out for a full song post, unless I can find a way to record what's on my tape. Thanks anyway.

Use of a guitar doesn't automatically imply metal.

I remember that this was blacklisted after some mod consideration for being too heavy on the noisy ambient side.

Why does a physical release determine if a band is "worthy" of your site? I refuse to release a physical album because it opposes what I stand for. How does a physical release make a band more metal than one that doesn't have one? This isn't a true metal site if it discriminates because of something so trivial. I want my music to be freely available to anyone who wants to listen, and a physical copy hinders that. I want YOU to prove to me how a physical release is more worthy than someone who puts their heart and soul into what they write and refuses to release a physical copy that is worth some arbitrary monetary value. If you can't then I guess this isn't a real metal Encyclopedia...

Not intending to be rude but I am rather shocked that this is a stipulation. I thought the metal community was better than this.

I know, I was just trying to differentiate it from other ambient noise groups that use electronics. If the mods have already considered that then that's fine.

You're putting words into our mouths. It doesn't make a band more or less "metal". Nor is this strictly about monetary value, loads of bands in the database give or gave their stuff away for free. The key issue is that, when working the band queue on a daily basis, we need some kind of way to gauge whether a band is serious and "tangible" or not. Serious in the sense of "are these guys serious enough about their band to put out some kind of release?". We acknowledge that many bands decide to go download-only and are in many cases not any less dedicated to their work as bands with physical CDs, but as a general rule and way of keeping out a flood of Myspace black metal and any other dayflies with one or two rehearsal tracks on Facebook it serves this site pretty well. Download-only stuff is still often too vague in whether it's just a bunch of songs thrown together in a .zip file or a proper, semi-coherent release. It's about having a good, consistent rule. A physical copy still remains a pretty good way of judging a band in that sense, although it is of course not without drawbacks in this day and age. Believe me, this has been the topic of quite some internal discussion.

The physical release rule may change in the future, or it may not, this is for the staff to discuss and the owners to judge and approve. For now it is firmly in place.

I honestly don't understand why they were blacklisted in the first place. They're considerably more metal than many deathcore bands that are on here, at least in my opinion.

As I said, we don't deny the fact that there are bands with digital releases out there that are "real" or honest about their work. There is indeed more to this equation if one wants to be as fair as possible. But imagine going through every band submission and trying to consider every angle, every aspect (even if we did, that's not always possible by means of the internet). We get around 500 new additions a month (sometimes more, sometimes less). That's approved bands. Not all submissions. The amount of rejected stuff is many times higher, and non-metal only makes up a comparably small part of it. If we had to investigate every submission and judge the band's "determination" ad hoc, with an ever-changing, subjective, ambiguous swirl of parameters in each mod's head, the queue would explode quickly. Not only that, but people would soon start to complain about why this and that band has been rejected, while another one has been approved. Obviously, this happens now too, but with no set-in-stone rule of what constitutes an acceptable band and what doesn't, those complaints would increase in frequency (and probably intensity) soon and we would have no consistent, compact way of countering it. Without an equally consistent framework as the PR rule we would get buried, tangled up in contradictions. And the point is, until now, no one has been able to come up with a sensible, comparably simple rule as elegant as the PR rule that encompasses "serious" download-only bands.


It doesn't particularly thin out what gets submitted. But it certainly filters out and prevents a lot of crap from getting approved. Trust me on this.

EDIT: Eh, you've deleted the post I quoted... Still, I'll keep this, if only to copy-paste it for future such inquiries.

It seemed pretty unambiguously metal to me, and I have the backing of at least one other mod, so I've unblacklisted them. Have at it, our little apologist friend.

It's currently being distributed by the band. And it will soon be distributed by a startup black metal/noise label in Cleveland, once everything is organized. But I assure you that there is most certainly a physical release that is in circulation.

Done, thank you!

Please approve this band, it is not digital only, here's the tape they have out: http://abstracter.bigcartel.com/product ... sette-tape and here: http://abstracter.bandcamp.com/merch

this band is METAL as they come and with an album out, please approve! thanks!

Resubmit.

Alright, you can resubmit.

Thanks a ton! Appreciate it.

done thank, you!

Hey,
Tried to put up Dark Revenance (a band i used to play bass in a while back).
It involved members of Eastern Front (Candlelight recs) The Furious Horde and Corpse Fauna.

I tried to put the band up while it was still active - but it was rejected and i didn't bother to put forward a case.
However, i was talking to the vocalist recently, and we spoke of getting the album recorded (2 years after we were put on hold!), so i thought it was time to try again.
The singer had some of the physical releases (i never bothered to keep any) so he gave me a few copies of each demo and the single.

I tried to put the band up yesterday, but it was rejected due to 'lack of evidence of physical release'.

I had put a link to Discogs Marketplace:
http://www.discogs.com/Dark-Revenance-T ... se/3957729
which had scans of the single we made.
(Also the bands old myspace Bio states that there was at least one demo and a single sold at shows.)

that obviously wasn't enough, so i've taken a photo of one of my cds:
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3957729

Also, you may want to check discogs again, as there is one for sale (right hand side of the screen):
http://www.discogs.com/Dark-Revenance-T ... se/3957729


Hope this clears up any problems!

Regards,
Ruptured Souls

Dark Revenance Demo now on discogs, and for sale:

http://www.discogs.com/Dark-Revenance-D ... se/3959292

So I tried adding Avenged Sevenfold to he MA. It let me edit it and everything a couple days ago, but I tried submiting it and it said that it was blacklisted. Is this some kind of an error or what?

You can bet your arse that's no error. Avenged Sevenfold are pure -core, not metal.

Interestingly enough though, you *shouldn't* have been able to add a draft for them in the first place...

Yes, we have mistakenly blacklisted this obscure underground gem called Avenged Sevenfold. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, it clearly is metal enough now that I listened to it for the first time ever.

But, but, but they have solos!

I still find it weird that MA allowed me to add a draft for them. That's what confused me.



Okay, you guys don't have to be sarcastic, I realize that they aren't metal enough to be in the MA. But I am confused on why Deep Purple is in the archives. To me, they shouldn't belong there IMO.

Well, okay, that draft thing is weird and should be looked into (although I just tested it and it doesn't let me create a draft for A7F, maybe you misspelled the name or changed the country for the draft and then corrected it when you tried to submit it to the queue).

Anyway, sorry, but sarcasm is what you're going to get when you inquire about a band that popular and imply it's an "error". A simple forum search would have given you this.

Deep Purple are here because of their historical significance, it's even mentioned in the rules. Lurk around a bit more and get better acquainted with the site and the rules before posting next time. That's not an insult, it's honest advice.

Wait, I see the issue now. You made a typo here; the name was misspelt "Avenge Sevenfold" in your original submission.

In either case, if a band that famous isn't on the site, it should be obvious they're not here for a damn good reason.

Aeterna Nox physical CD proof:
http://cs303804.userapi.com/v303804886/ ... G1jzzo.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0762247767

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aet ... 3540353773

Resubmit with those links included in the submission notes... no need to post about it here, mate.

Yes I can:
This is the track "Erlöser" from the same album:

http://www.abartigkeit.com/kroll.mp3

Would you now please accept the band?

Thanks

Please unblacklist this band (Poemisia from tally), they are obviously metal and i have the phsyical release, i contacted them personally, probably it's a band blacklisted for physical release reasons, here samples:
- http://www.reverbnation.com/poemisia

No, they were blacklisted for being soft faggothic rock with delusions of metal.

You're not even posting the physical release proof anyway. Only 2 tracks on 4 track on their reverbnation are borderline metal.

Why were Lets Play God blacklisted?

Bands usually get blacklisted for 2 reasons.
1) no physical release
2) it's not considered metal by our staff

It's the 2nd option here.

I can't agree with that at all, physical release and their music is clearly metal.

They were blacklisted by Morrigan, so we can safely say they don't fit our standards, haven't heard the band myself.

Nobody's expecting you to agree whatsoever. But arguing and protesting about it here isn't going to affect anything but our patience.

Why Vestiges from United States was blacklisted?? it's normal USBM in the vein of Skagos and Addaura...
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRkjWhqA0wM

It's mostly just crusty punk/post-rock with black metal overtones...

Or at least that's what the blacklist note tells me. That song sounds acceptable, but I'm assuming the rest of the band's music sounds a lot less acceptable.

All their songs are here
- http://www.myspace.com/wearevestiges

Hi again,

Resubmitted Dark Revanance and got this:



I've stated earlier on this forum that i am the bassist. So if you want to contact a band member - here i am . If you look up the bands old myspace - http://www.myspace.com/darkrevenance You will find the members and their emails, and you'll find ruptured_souls and his email. If you really don't trust me, you can message the singer - Chris- Nagant EasternFront on facebook (christopher.hall.716195@facebook.com). I'm sure he'll confirm the demo and single as being released by the band and sold/given out at shows. He may be more 'reliable' than me in your eyes as he is now singing in a singed band with worldwide distribution.

Also, yes. I thought it was clear that you wanted more proof of the existence of the physical releases - so i put some of my spare copies up for sale on discogs, so that there was evidence online of them for sale. (it's difficult to prove that they were given out at shows on here you see. Also with the band being on hold the last 2-3 years, we don't have an active facebook or bigcartel store etc.). So that was no trickery from me or trying to pull the wool over your eyes. You asked for proof of sale and photos, so i put some up. Not 'convenient timing' as you put it. Just me showing you the evidence you asked for.

As i said earlier on the forum - it was the singer who had all the spare copies we didn't get to sell before we went on hold. I recently saw him, and we spoke of getting the album we never finished recorded one day soon. We spoke of finally putting the band on metal-archives as it was an official project (we have numerous other sideprojects and old bands i wouldn't dream of submitting! haha), and he gave me a handful of the old releases.
I set about putting them on M-A, and was rejected, so i decided to put some copies up for sale, both as proof to your good selves, and just to put them up for sale somewhere. I have more than just the one copy of each, but on discogs i put them on one at a time.

I hope this clears up the problems!
p.s. sorry for the long ass messages! I get carried away!

Regards,
Matt.

Alright, you can submit, but I WILL be contacting Christopher for a second story. Sorry for the Schindler's list, but we've had people go to absurd lengths to get their bogus projects onto the site. When people offer us shady proof of something that used to exist, as well as state that they're a member of said project, we need to be cautious.