....Click "edit" instead of "resubmit"?

Let's see, this is not the first time the encyclopaedia rejects my submissions, I'm almost used to it, but this time, I really can't understand why:

I recently attempted to submit Xibalba, an American California based Doom/Sludge Metal act, and its been rejected once and again. Now I suppose the reason for rejection has to do with the "metalness" thing, as the evidence of a physical release (full-lenght Hasta la Muerte) won't be a problem: http://www.southernlord.com/store.php

With regard to metalness, I gotta say I do realize there's plenty of hardcore influence in their music, yet I believe the core of all work both as a whole and seen song by song is doom and sludge metal indeed. Also, their songs are epic at a level that only metal can achieve. On the other hand, if it's true that there's hardcore stuff in it, it's also true there's plenty of death metal in it, so one could say "were even", uh?

I strongly suggest somebody different from the one(s) that already made the decision of rejecting them listen to Xibalba's work and judge by themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RczxnUO5oro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Ai3KEG9x8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9dhqHna7pU

Cheers.

Haven't listened to those samples yet, but the reason entered for blacklisting (which was a while ago, so your band wasn't rejected, it was just preemptively blocked), was, "Sounds like beatdown hardcore with minor death metal elements.".

My submission for the band "Fleischbeschau" has been rejected a few times due to the lack of evidence for a physical release. It's actually just a CD-R with one song on it. There's like 15 copies or so and only friends of the band have any copies. If you want you can remove it from the releases section but we haven't released any further things yet.

I see no point for the rejection, why would I lie about a one-song-demo?

Regards
Alex

The picture you provided was hardly proof, as I wrote in my rejection message. It was just a slim case with a printed out cover in it. You may think this is paranoid of us, but we've had lots of people trying to fake a physical release that way.

Anyway,
I'm afraid this isn't enough. A handful of copies for close friends of the band isn't a publicly available release. Now, you may ask at which point a small underground release becomes public, but considering it's also just one song on a burned CD-R with simple print-out cover (or so you say) we'd need something more tangible. My advice to you would be to wait for a "proper" release with more copies and wider (well, actual, in this case) distribution before submitting again.

Could you at least add the band Fleischbeschau to my current bands, even though there's no site for the band?

http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Alex/458383

Thank you!

Sure, done.

Thanks a lot, I'll resubmit, when the album is released! Sorry for any inconvenience. BTW are you Austrian?

Yes.

Dear Admin,

I’m writing to you with regard to appealing to the recent rejection of my submission to Metal Archives for the band "MelancholicA".
The reason I received for the rejection was: "not being a metal band" which I believe is not sufficiently reasonable. Below I’ve provided compelling evidences:

1. By the time I was submitting, the band’s first fully, unambiguously metal full-length album had been released by a Russian label "CVLMINIS" (which releases just metal works) titled "Lamentation For A Deprived Desire". Here again, the related links are presented:

The label’s page on Metal Archives: http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/Cvlminis/26998

Facebook page of the label: https://www.facebook.com/CVLMINIS

The recent releases of the label, having the name of the band’s debut album:

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=2038433&sid=85154cd138824685428b5439dcc7fbb5#p2038433

Pages for online purchase of the album:

http://www.discogs.com/Melancholica-Lamentation-For-A-Deprived-Desire/release/3458160

http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/album-groupe-Melancholica-nom_album-Lamentation_for_a_Deprived_Desire-l-en.html

2. There are a number of famous bands with similar genre (Atmospheric Doom Metal/Dark Ambient/Neoclassical) such as Dargaard, Agonia, Torture, Forest Silence, etc. which do have profiles on Metal Archives. You can listen to the audio samples of the band here:

http://soundcloud.com/melancholica

http://www.myspace.com/0melancholica0

Using of harsh vocals (as an element just used in metal genres) should be taken into account.

3. The band has done 5 collaborations with some great musicians of different metal genres in this album including:

Track 1 feat. Fabio Amurri of Crysalys

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Crysalys/61222

http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Wolf/232078

Track 9 feat. Jouni Nikula of Requiem

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Requiem/230

http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Jouni_Nikula/33613

Track 14 feat. David Folchitto of Stormlord

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Stormlord/129

http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/David_Folchitto/23644



Considering all above issues, I think MelancholicA is "metal enough" to have a profile on Metal Archives. Thus, any reconsideration would be really appreciated.

Thank you for your time.
Look forward to hearing from you.

They also have a Bush cover, does that make them post grunge? I checked all the songs on their soundcloud, all were dark ambient with no metal elements.

LOL, since when? If Lady Gaga was to use black metal vocals, would that make her music metal too...?

As you see, It’s completely a cover in dark ambient atmosphere. Again I don’t understand your justification for "no metal elements" ?!!!

Did you consider this: "There are a number of famous bands with similar genre (Atmospheric Doom Metal/Dark Ambient/Neoclassical) such as Dargaard, Agonia, Torture, Forest Silence, etc. which do have profiles on Metal Archives."

First of all, a lot of those non-metal bands (Dark Ambient/Neoclassical, etc) that are on the site are accepted under the side-project rule.

Second, those that aren't sanctioned by the side-project rule are accepted because one or more of their albums were undeniably metal. Melancholia has no metal elements - and by that, we mean the music lacks guitar riffs.

So MelancholicA can be accepted under which rules ?

It can't. Neither is it metal, nor is it a noteworthy exception or side-project.

So I got that those collaborations ARE NOT NOTEWORTHY & NULL too !!!

No, of course not. Sorry dude, but not every man and his dog's bedroom side-project will be accepted on the site.

As a band it isn't noteworthy of inclusion in a metal database. That's what it comes down to. Collaboration with guest musicians from metal bands isn't enough in itself.

So, what should I do? Re-try to submmit it?

Please don't. From what I heard of those samples, it was predominantly hardcore based.

Hello everybody. Tell me please, if a band has nothing but one track released on a compilation (physically released) and a cover song, may it be submitted?

No.

I am tad confused, I recently requested for a better picture. for bands page, Response "was please use correct link" is it imageshack the correct link? thank you

You mean this?

Uhm. You kinda have to copy the uploaded file's URL from the field that says "Direct Link", not the URL bar.

Sorry my bad, thank you.

.... sooo, you gonna upload the picture you want added and paste the generated URL in the comments box?

It's me once again, I wanted to ask why Fuck Your Shadow From Behind were banned. Yes, they play deathcore, but in my opinion it's more focused and based on death and black metal than hardcore.


Some examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jRLPJj_wPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok-VMm7CHXU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tQuSQcr-Ls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdwE-DJpF4Y


They only recorded one demo and one album, after that they split up and two of the guys formed Der Weg einer Freiheit.

Well based on those four samples they definitely sound more melodeath than -core (which is the reason given for their blacklisting). I'm gonna see if I can get a hold of the full length and give a more official opinion later. I like to consider myself the metalcore/deathcore expert of the staff but some second opinions would be welcomed as well.

EDIT: Okay after a listen of the full length, I am 100% in favor of unblacklisting Fuck Your Shadow From Behind. Most definitely based more in melodeath than any form of -core. That said, I will await the judgment of a second mod before doing so, because this was blacklisted in the first place. My football/hockey analogy from before still comes in to play. I'm just one ref.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Knechte+Des+Schreckens

http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/152323
http://www.discogs.com/Various-ABMS-Nor ... ase/369271
6-way split ... only black metal .. and nothing else.

Please remove the band from the black list.

Done.

Thanks ... Vuzem and KdS submitted.

Hi. I tried to submit a band called Dagger Of Sacrifice from Norway, and it said that it was blacklisted. I wouldn't think it would be because of lack of 'metalness', since the music is funeral doom. My only other assumption is that it's because their demo was unreleased since it was recorded in 2003. However, Graceless Recordings has just reissued their demo (link below), and unless there was another reason for their blacklisting I think they should be taken off the list.

http://gracelessrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/grace003-dagger-of-sacrifice-nor-demo-2003

Hello. The band "Methuselah" was rejected because there wasn't proof of a physical release. This is the black metal band from Cleveland.

I have photos of the cassette here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88772810@N ... hotostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88772810@N ... otostream/


It's a new/very small independent release, so it's not being distributed online. Hope this helps!

How is it being distributed?

According to our beloved blacklist, it is ambient/noise, with little to no metal. Is there a way you can post full songs by them? The four minute samples on bandcamp would be ok if it was blacklisted for another reason, but since the reason is (big time) lack of metal, I'd like to check some full songs (besides I love Funeral Doom).

Unfortunately I only have the tape of the full songs, not mp3s. I can tell you that the samples on that page are what the full songs do sound like though. So if you think the samples sound acceptable, then perhaps the band can be taken off the blacklist? Unless you're required to hear the whole songs yourself.

Also, even though there is a lot of ambient noise, I can tell it's coming from a guitar. Maybe whoever blacklisted it didn't recognize that and thought it was electronic noise.

"A lot of ambient noise". That's the key sentence on your post. Yes, I'd like a full song, at the very least.