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triggerhappy
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:56 am 
 

I've been digging Between the Buried and Me's first two albums, as well as some Luddite Clone lately, and I've wanted to explore this genre further.

Clearly I'm not all too familiar with the genre, so I'm just looking for anything you guys can recommend. Just stay away from the modern variety that tends to be more melodic, Gothenburg-ish and chug-oriented (the usual suspects like As I Lay Dying, BFMV, etc...). Technicality is okay, but the rawer, the better. Softer, clean "emo" parts are okay too (like BTBAM's Mordecai).

Any recommendations would be most welcome. Feel free to mention classics; like I said, I'm not too familiar with the genre.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:15 pm 
 

You might want to look into Converge, Catharsis and Rorschach for classic metalcore bands.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:47 pm 
 

If you like the technical aspects of Luddite Clone and BtBaM, but you want something that sounds more raw, check out Creation is Crucifixion, Killtheslavemaster, and Born Under Saturn. CiC's Automata is an excellent starting point, probably my favorite metalcore band ever. KTSM and BUS had very few releases, so those aren't too hard to start with. BUS has some of the more emo parts you mentioned.

Creation is Crucifixion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECmQHP5f5I
Killtheslavemaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKF28pWx1YU
Born Under Saturn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLsAMVlSGGI
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:17 pm 
 

Going to second Creation is Crucifixion, but in the same realm also check out Unruh.

Some of the things I used to listen to during the metalcore days:

Skycamefalling - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3hp1KiTxJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyW441W01RU
Great technical metalcore, fast paced, great songwriting and slight melodic sections

Harvest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ohxR3YBfFY
Just all around great band.

Drowningman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRVf0_vxemc
Silly song titles, but catchy stuff, bordering on mathcore.

Zao - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KyYtPb30Wg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYXVFmyscug
Great metalcore, excellent drumming and killer vocals

Twelve Tribes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke9Rt_d3xRM
Awesome, technical metalcore, kind of like Skycamefalling!

(edited to add Twelve Tribes)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:37 am 
 

Botch- We are the Romans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brqZ6jZiOFE

Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv8b6RPbnAc

Cave In - Until Your Heart Stops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM2qEiXW288

A Life Once Lost - Hunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYHLjCk39M4
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:41 am 
 

Whoa, that sure was a lot of bands to check out! I dug pretty much all the bands posted. I particularly liked the quick emo-ish bit in that Cave In song. That should give me enough to sink my teeth into, but if you've got any more suggestions, just shoot. Thanks. :D
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:20 pm 
 

Leeway are thrashy NYHC, pretty raw with a little bit of technicality in there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuefJo9odIw

Snapcase have some softer emo-ish parts as you mentioned. I don't know their discography too well so here's a random song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwR4r1vs0Eo

Sick of it All are classic NYHC. They have an extensive discography and it's worth listening through, though it is a bit weaker in the middle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fvu951up_0

Murphy's Law are closer to punk than metalcore, but I'd recommend listening at least to their first album. More punkish NYHC, to contrast the hardcore hardcore of SOIA and the crossover thrashy side of Leeway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=667W7JVtZHU

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:43 am 
 

Thanks, Zodi! Loved all 4 bands you suggested. :D
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cvac
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:16 am 
 

Some of the stuff that people recommended are actually late-comer bands and not what I'd call the real influential classics of the genre. Most bands that put out their "main" LPs after '95-'97 could hardly be called "classic", IMHO. There were a lot of crap bands during that time too. 90s metalcore is probably one of the most misunderstood subgenres in hardcore simply because the stuff that became popular in the 2000s overshadowed a lot of the good stuff. Then you wind up with a bunch of people repeating stuff on the internet that weren't actually there at the time.

Anyway, here are what I'd consider some "good" or "important" LPs. Note that I'm only going to mention a few things from the 80s...


80s:

Cro-Mags: first two LPs are essential, with the first (Age of Quarrel) being the much better of the 2 IMHO.

Agnostic Front: Live at CBGB - this is great because the recording is pretty good and it acts a nice "greatest hits" type overview of AF in both their crossover and more pure HC eras.

Sick of it All: first 7'' and first LP are the most essential. Albums 2 and 3 from the 90s are also worth hearing. Scratch the Surface was a big favorite of mine when it came out and when I saw them on the tour.

Note that while I love a lot of old NYHC (the aforementioned, Warzone, Antidote, etc.), I cannot stand later bands like Madball and such, which is why you won't find them on my 90s list.

90s

Starkweather: into the wire (Crossbearer, which is really a comp. of demos that got put out as an LP came first and was arguable more influential but I like this one a lot more because the recording and performance are better IMHO...haven't really delved into their more recent material.)

Unbroken: life.love.regret and final 2 7''s(One of the most important albums to usher in the era of chunky hardcore and of course, Slayer worship. Unfortunately inspired a lot of crap bands, but this LP is a classic).

108: creation sustenance 2XCD (Pretty much everything they recorded was good, but my favorite was the final pre-reunion LP. Yes, they were Hare Krishnas but you won't care about that when you hear them.)

Integrity: first 2 LPs (Probably THE band responsible for popularizing "evil" metal-type themes in HC.)

Mayday: everything you can find (Very influential in the early 90s, unfortunately never released an LP or got good distribution so a lot of people have never heard of them. Wish someone would put out a discog CD.)

Bloodlet: eclectic CD (comp. of early 7''s which was their best/most original material. First LP is pretty good but not as important)

Groundwork: discog CD (Kinda like Unbroken, but a lot more political, raw and unhinged sounding)

Acme: discog CD (Sounds like Rorshach covering Slayer with better recording and playing than the former)

Mean Season: discog CD (The Grace LP is really good, but the vox are kinda whiny and weird so it's something of a grower. But once you get into it, it's great stuff. )

Converge: now, I don't think this band has done much that's impressive in over a decade, but their first couple LPs and the Unloved and Weeded Out sessions are classics. Third LP is enjoyable, but by the time Jane Doe came around I was losing interest. If you listen closely, you'll basically see that they were trying to combine aspects of Rorshach, Starkweather, and maybe Acme and Voivod. They did a good job at it too.

Ringworm: never been a huge fan of this band but they're worth mentioning. Stick with the early stuff.

Catharsis: everything they did is good, but the Samsara LP is their real classic. I was lucky enough to see them on an early tour before they recorded this one.

Cave In: until your hear stops LP (Probably the last truly great 90s metalcore LP to be released.)

Coalesce: nowadays people go crazy over the later stuff but for those of us paying attention early on, they were already kinda "done" by the time the first LP came out. The s/t 7'' and the Earache version of the 002 e.p. (NOT the rerecording) are classics.

Refused: songs to fan the flames (I know it's cool to hate this band because they're popular, but this is a great LP...you get chunky riffs, some Slayer worship, and even a few hints of Fugazi along with the political lyrics of course)

Lash Out: there is a discog thing that is already sold out/OOP, but this band did some really great stuff in the 90s. I like the "What Absence Yields" LP and "Worn Path" 12'' a lot.

His Hero is Gone: yeah they were a "crusty" band, but all the metalcore kids were listening to them back in the 90s. First LP is more grindy, second is probably a little more aligned with metalcore.

Uranus/Union of Uranus: the 2x7'' was great, kinda muddy and screamy metallic HC with loads of atmosphere...believe there is a discog CD now.

One Eyed God Prophecy: LP - this was like Uranus, but with a more drawn-out Neurosis, vibe. I think they shared members also, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Threadbare: feeling older faster e.p. (similar to 108 but more structured, and lyrics more on the personal tip rather than Krishna)

Rorschach: I think there are a couple different discog CDs now. I much prefer the first LP, which reminds me Black Flag a bit, over the second one. I might be in the minority though.

These are just off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm leaving a couple things out but these are what spring to mind when I think of essential recordings from the 90s metalcore era.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:33 pm 
 

Have you heard Prayer for Cleansing? I believe it's very accurate to what you're looking for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S16K5sG65gM
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:40 am 
 

You may enjoy the band "Strife," especially their album In This Defiance. That album is really fucking heavy, certainly nothing close to emo, and has plenty of metal influences. When this came out I was about 16 and this shit blew my mind!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:03 pm 
 

Judge : bringin it down

Forgot to mention it before...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:24 pm 
 

Yeah seconding Prayer for Cleansing.

Martyr A.D. and Disembodied are right up your ally as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:49 am 
 

Nice, thanks a lot guys! That's gonna be a lot of stuff to check out. Really appreciate it.

EDIT: Alright I've finally looked through all the bands suggested, and my favourites of the lot were Prayer for Cleansing (can't believe I never bothered to check out Paul Waggoner's old band), Acme, One Eyed God Prophecy, Disembodied and Martyr AD.

I realise I might not have been very specific in my OP, so perhaps I should refine my request to hardcore/metalcore that leans towards the "more metal" or mathcore side of things.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:14 pm 
 

triggerhappy wrote:
Nice, thanks a lot guys! That's gonna be a lot of stuff to check out. Really appreciate it.

EDIT: Alright I've finally looked through all the bands suggested, and my favourites of the lot were Prayer for Cleansing (can't believe I never bothered to check out Paul Waggoner's old band), Acme, One Eyed God Prophecy, Disembodied and Martyr AD.

I realise I might not have been very specific in my OP, so perhaps I should refine my request to hardcore/metalcore that leans towards the "more metal" or mathcore side of things.

Yeah, I saw that you didn't mentioned in the OP, weird, because as fas as I know you like BTBAM very much (just like me). Glad you liked them, and thanks for sharing Luddite Clone :-P
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:36 pm 
 

If you liked Prayer For Cleansing then check out :

Arkangel http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arkangel/16231

and

All Out War http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/All_Out_War/18213

Both saw a lot of playtime when I was really into PFC.
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