I see. Well, white power bullshit put aside, the music is hard rock with some punk and metal touches. So they're good where they are now.

The Atomic Bitchwax is a pretty good example for a stoner rock band with some metal elements, if memory serves. And yes, cool band.

Hi everyone! i would like to ask something about a thing, i'm only asking, nothing else! why the genre Nu Metal on the site is called Mallcore?? Mallcore is clearly a derogatory term for describe Nu Metal, is something like an insult... and if the site is based on neutral informations, this is in contrast with the rules... it's not better calling it Nu Metal?? i understand why Nu Metal is not considered metal here, it has nothing in common with what is purely metal, but for me is not necessary calling it with a derogatory term... it is just an opinion, i found funny the thing about the "Dursted" accounts, but i think that the term "Mallcore" is not really right for an encyclopedia, it's like writing "Obvious commercial music" about a band that changed style to pop or rock.

Derogatory description of the genre:
- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... m=Mallcore

Encyclopedic description of the genre:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal

BTBAM is still blacklisted from MA? Shesh, give up the vendetta already ladies.

DreadlockMocio: I don't quite see the problem... Nu Metal, mallcore... What's the difference? Crap is crap whatever you call it.

Well, yeah, but the music genre field isn't supposed to be a gauge for whether the music is crap or not...

I was being sarcastic. This has been brought up before.

Yeah, because one band is blacklisted, there's a vendetta! Come on. Anyway, they were discussed recently, I disagree with the consensus and their new album will be analysed, but it's not urging.

Crap or not crap it is not encyclopedic... is like writing CRAP in genre section.. for me is better change it to Nu Metal, this term is a music genre (not important if it sucks or not), Mallcore is nothing.

Nu Metal is a specific genre, where mallcore in the MA context can be described as a biproduct of various genres (here among Nu Metal) blended together into a certain non-metallic product that might be similar to nu metal. With little more than 40 bands labelled mallcore, and even less Nu Metal in the archives, it can't really be a big concern.

I'm all for us taking pride in the site and being as encyclopedic as possible, but you also can't take things too seriously here. I mean, we are the top site for metal, but we're also the site with profiles on highly reveared artist such as Burnt Testicle, Cock Smoking Crack Whore, and The Feces-Caked Barbecuer of Anal Sausage...

That's kind of a weak argument. No matter how silly these names might seem, we're still an encyclopedia. Nothing changes that. That issue is with the artists and bands, not with us. As they fall within the scope and outlines of this site we're documenting them. Wikipedia has articles on guerilla gardening, Mozart's 'Leck mich im Arsch' and fart lighting too.

About the mallcore thing... well, Helvede has a point and only Morrigan (and some more seasoned staffers, I assume) will be able to really answer this accurately, but I think the motivation here is also to avoid using the term "metal" for genres that aren't really metal. It's pretty much a liberty the owners reserved for themselves in the end.

Why does nobody care about this?


So many similar bands (that play "technical deathcore" / tech death with breakdowns) are on here (Thy Art Is Murder, Boris the Blade, The Red Shore, Anima, Burning the Masses, Conducting from the Grave etc.), I just think that Signal the Firing Squad deserve a fair chance.

Vautour, lack of an immediate answer doesn't mean we're ignoring you. Be patient.

Oh, okay. Sorry.

I haven't really been active on the board before and I thought that nobody might see the post anymore. Just because it's two pages before the most recent posts. My bad.

About Nu metal i understand the thing about calling metal what is not purely metal, But for me if its name include the word it doesen't mean that it is a pure metal genre. There are lots of genre called metal, that aren't completely pure, for example System of a Down is defined Alternative METAL, Avenged Sevenfold are defined METALcore, Russian Circles are defined Post-METAL, Poison is defined Glam METAL ecc. I used this examples because there are a lot of genres that contains the word metal, but they're not considered pure, it's a linguistic/term problem, nothing about music. I'm sure that on the encyclopedia there are a lot of bands that changed style and plays the same music of Avanged Sevenfold and in the genre section there's written METALcore while is not completely metal. So i repeat that for me, as a really last thing about this topic, Nu Metal is more appropriate for an encyclopedia. Mallcore is also not a neutral definition.

Noted, but as I said, that's the owner's decision/right, not yours.

This off-topic discussion has been going on for long enough. If it's that important to you make a thread about it, but please don't continue this here. This doesn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

Vantour, I'll take a look at your post specifically in a few hours (on the road atm, but I'll be at my computer shortly.

This sound acceptable to me. Typical modern technical death watered down to deathcore level, or the other way around. The obvious nod to modern technical death metal makes it acceptable, in my opinion.

I agree. Sounds like it's just on the right side of the border fuzz.

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Thanks!

Here you can find the proof of the physical existence of the CHAINS album Of Death
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Chains-Of ... 982?ref=hl
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Crepus ... 0706884007
http://lecrepusculedusoir.yolasite.com/news.php

let me know if it is enough

While I haven't yet listened to the samples posted, I'd like to point out that I've just run through their newest album, Abnegate, and it's definitely on the unacceptable side. Huge abundance of deathcore breakdowns and a high volume of late-era Meshuggah djenty riffs. Yeah there's a significant tech death influence in parts, but a vast majority of the album is built on the non-metal aspects of their sound. Assuming they were blacklisted based on the album you've posted, it's gonna take some major mod turnaround to get them an entry, because their new material is 100% unacceptable.

EDIT: Well I've got about a song and a half left on Earth Harvest, and my conclusion is pretty much the same as Abnegate, though slightly less definitive. There's a strong tech death influence, no doubt, but the music itself is still based on the non-metal parts. Earth Harvest is certainly closer to full on tech death than the new album, but it's borderline at best and wouldn't consider it to be acceptable were I to come across it in the queue.

Anybody here watch football? Well, my American kind, the NFL? When a play is challenged, it cannot be overturned unless the evidence is conclusive and indisputable that the previous judgment was incorrectly called. If it looks like it might be close, but the officials can't be 100% sure, then the call will stand. It's the same way with goals in hockey. I don't see indisputable evidence that Signal the Firing Squad was incorrectly blacklisted. Half the distance to the goal, repeat third down.

Checking both bands and giving a final answer tomorrow.

EDIT: Nevermind, Alhadis already did it.

I second the thoughts of BastardHead on this; it sounds like -core based deathcore with technical death metal influences, not the other way around (which we would consider acceptable). I'm leaning unacceptable.

I'm actually leaning toward acceptable, despite my personal dislike for the band (and -core in general). Yeah, there's a lot of chugging, but the breakdowns are still being glued together by fairly frequent metallic intervals. Personally, the guitar leads make up for the annoying djenty chugging that punctuates the tracks.

EDIT: Okay, and the tracks toward the end of "Earth Harvest" are even less questionable than the first few.

But the key question isn't whether metal "makes up" for a lack of metal, it's whether this music is dominated by metal riffs and relies on metal as its foundation. I'm just not convinced that this band is built on metal as a basis for their music, especially when you look at the djenty -core focus that this band has taken. I can certainly see the argument that could be made for it giving a "nod" to technical death metal, but is a nod enough for it to be predominantly that?

Keep in mind that MA takes a very firm approach to -core, particularly deathcore, and djent-based music; Whatever we end up accepting needs to be absolutely convincing.

Hi.
I tried to add my band on Metal-archives about a year ago. But back then you did not think we where Metal enough.
So now when I am trying to add the same band it says that the band have been blacklisted. Why?
We kicked out our guitarist (who was dragging the band down into the swamp of sleeze and glam) and started playing a mix of Thrash and Heavy metal.
So we have a complete different sound now.
The bands name is Insineration.
Please exuse my bad english.
/Anders

The band was blacklisted for being rock and not having a physical release. What this means now is two things: 1. If you have a "new sound" now you need to provide samples we can listen to. 2. If this music is metal enough it needs to come in the form of a physical release (CD, tape, etc..., no downloads). Just having a couple of songs on Myspace in that new style isn't enough; even if you released something physical when still playing rock. We need to have this change "anchored" in something tangible, which in this case is a metal release.

You were asked for music samples in the rejection message, not proof of physical release (or existence). There's a 40-seconds sample on the label page, but more would be preferable.

This is the entire album
http://soundcloud.com/chains-temple

Hello, I tried to post some bands (Static-X, Hatebreed, Suicide Silence) and it said that they were blacklisted. I was just wondering why?

Because they are not considered metal by this site. Use the search function next time before asking about popular bands. These things have been asked and answered to hell and back again.

What about Disturbed? Sorry if it has been answered already, but reading through 160 pages is a "bit" of a hassle :/ .

Using the "search" function isn't. The Disturbed case, as you might guess, was dealt with several times. The answer is still "no"

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36707&p=842485&hilit=disturbed#p842485

Disturbed is a Heavy Metal band. I really don't know why anyone would view them as a hard rock band. Its quite silly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever, anything you say. Please, don't argue, it's pointless.

If a band is signed to any of these labels or their subsidiaries and aren't on Metal Archives, it's because they're not metal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_labels#Major_labels

What about Chains did you guys checked out the link i sent you?

I don't mean to offend anyone, but I just don't hear that "djenty -core focus". I've been a fan of the band for quite a while and have listened to both of their albums dozens of times, and while I have to agree that there are some more breakdown-focused songs on the second album, I still think that the songs generally are dominated by blastbeat speed and tremolo riffs, which are then slowed down for the breakdowns. Therefore, the death metal/deathgrind aspect is the main aspect of their music in my opinion.


Apart from that, I thought it was enough if one of a band's albums was "significantly metal". Soulfly were accepted because of their last album although all their other albums were "not metal enough", while Signal the Firing Squad released one album and two EPs in their "old (more metallish) style". I just think that that's kind of unfair. Thy Art Is Murder for example were also accepted because of their second release, while the first EP wasn't.