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Derigin
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:46 pm 
 

Besides, an important caveat regarding cases like this: when it comes to judging non-metal bands who might have released a metal album, we do tend to be fairly strenuous and highly critical on it - perhaps to a degree above normal to that which we normally judge bands. This stems, in large part, from the fact that bands that have built their entire career on playing non-metal music must diverge significantly from that career to produce an album based on metal music. In many cases, that change requires changing the basis that they're so used to for their music. It means accepting a new style wholeheartedly with the conviction that they had with their old style. What this means for a band like BTBAM is that, like Soulfly, even if an album "seems metal" that does not make it - as BH notes - "unquestionably, indisputably, completely obviously metal..."

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DreadlockMocio
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:04 pm 
 

It is possible to know why Shadow Child from Malaysia was rejected?? i posted the link where they sell their EP in the submission notes.. why it was rejected, there's written how to order it
- https://twitter.com/ShadowChildOFCL/sta ... 4416934912

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:50 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
Je vais écouter ca, je t'en reparle bientôt.

I'm gonna listen to it and I'll say my thoughts later.

I removed the band from the blacklist, submit it!
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:06 pm 
 

DreadlockMocio wrote:
It is possible to know why Shadow Child from Malaysia was rejected?? i posted the link where they sell their EP in the submission notes.. why it was rejected, there's written how to order it
- https://twitter.com/ShadowChildOFCL/sta ... 4416934912

DreadlockMocio, I once had a band (Fetus Ripper) post something like that on their profile, and they actually turned out to be sending zipped folders of mp3s to people...

How are we to know this band isn't doing something similar?
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PhilTasmal
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:04 am 
 

Metantoine wrote:
Metantoine wrote:
Je vais écouter ca, je t'en reparle bientôt.

I'm gonna listen to it and I'll say my thoughts later.

I removed the band from the blacklist, submit it!


C'est fait. Merci!
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Guitarpro77889
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:48 am 
 

Hi Guys,
I went to look up the band Demon Hunter, but when I did there were no search results. So I went to try and add them but got a note saying that they had been blacklisted. Why?

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:53 am 
 

We talked about them recently, on the last page probably. Search the forums before asking why a popular band is blacklisted.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:54 am 
 

Guitarpro77889 wrote:
Hi Guys,
I went to look up the band Demon Hunter, but when I did there were no search results. So I went to try and add them but got a note saying that they had been blacklisted. Why?

Please use the search function next time. Demon Hunter is not considered (predominantly) metal by the site.
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aloof
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:02 am 
 

aloof wrote:
may I ask why Obzerter (UK) is blacklisted, please?


anyone?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:10 am 
 

aloof wrote:
aloof wrote:
may I ask why Obzerter (UK) is blacklisted, please?


anyone?

No reason given. From I'm hearing on their FB it's without a doubt related to their music and not a release issue.
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Guitarpro77889
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:34 am 
 

Well why aren't they considered predominantely metal? What are they?

@Mentantione- I wasn't about to search 159 pages for something that might not even be covered.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:42 am 
 

Guitarpro77889 wrote:
Well why aren't they considered predominantely metal? What are they?

I don't have detailed knowledge of their entire catalogue (for which I'm grateful), but they have always been on the unacceptable mallcore or metalcore end of the spectrum. They have been brought up many times before and apparently there is a progression towards are more metallic sound noticeable (or at least from alt rock/nu-metal to a more 00's -core craze-based sound) when you compare their earlier stuff and the recent album(s), but it was deemed not enough for inclusion.

Guitarpro77889 wrote:
@Mentantione- I wasn't about to search 159 pages for something that might not even be covered.

Not by hand.
Azmodes wrote:
Please use the search function next time.

And do you really think a well-known and popular band like Demon Hunter hasn't been considered and covered before? Sorry, but... :nono:
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aloof
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:55 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
aloof wrote:
may I ask why Obzerter (UK) is blacklisted, please?


No reason given. From I'm hearing on their FB it's without a doubt related to their music and not a release issue.


thanks for your reply :) just to make sure, you wouldn't consider them "metal enough"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGvKyRqphtY

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GucumatzKalam
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:24 pm 
 

Greetings!

The band Upacara was rejected because.

Here one copy of the demo,this is mine. I received it yesterday.

In the web of label say:

"UPACARA "BLACK CHASMS AND PALE SCREAMS" AND HELLKVLT MEXICA "MALES ANTIGUOS" WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR FREE DOWNLOAD ALONG WITH ALL ATLATL MUSIC RELEASES THIS TUESDAY OCTOBER 9TH."

this means, only the free download, Last week came the demo. And now is available.

http://www.subeimagenes.net/view.php?fi ... 717023.jpg


Thanks!


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The first Demo is "BLACK CHASMS AND PALE SCREAMS"

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:47 pm 
 

Hey!

Well, first of all, we need more pics than that tape. Some pictures in which the tape and case are clearly seen. Also, if you click on the "Releases" tab on the label's site, there are images and release dates of all their releases. Both Upacara and Hellkvlt Mexica have October 9th as release date. Wait until then to resubmit, along with pictures galore. Also, please, LEGIT pictures only.
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ravagingthemassacred
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:16 am 
 

what genre would you call Slipknot's Iowa? I would understand their blacklisting if not for this album. sorry if this specific topic has been discussed, I couldn't find it. I'm not going to try to concince anyone of anything, just curious of people's reasoning.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:22 am 
 

Everything Slipknot has done was considered already, that's quite obvious.
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Vautour
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:10 am 
 

Hi, I wanted to ask why Since the Day and Versus the Throne were rejected or if the ban of both of them could maybe be lifted.

Both play metalcore, but with a huge melodic death metal influence. Since the Day also were a side project of members of several bands that are in the Metal Archives, such as Friedrich Weber (Deadsoil, Arms to Amen), Andreas Schüssler (Deadsoil, Reincarnated) and Daniel Dietelbach (Absidia). Since the Day's sound doesn't differ much from that of these bands, they basically sound like melodic death metal with breakdowns, such as that of Absidia, Six Reasons to Kill etc. And they have metal guitar solos.

Here is one of their songs as an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MymNxZGmbOs
It's probably one of the worst possible examples, but I couldn't find any of their other songs on YouTube.



Versus the Throne had an even bigger metal influence in their sound. I don't even understand why they were banned in the first place, maybe because their old sound under their old name (Blood Spencer) was a lot more hardcore than their first album "Ruins Afire".

Again, this is not the best example concerning the song (there are only a few live videos available on YouTube), but from 1:30 on, there is a classic melodic death metal riff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=conV3cai1X0

Thanks for looking into this!

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Vautour
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:26 pm 
 

I also wanted to ask why Signal the Firing Squad are banned. Sure, they qualify as deathcore, but the hardcore elements in their sound are really sparse, mostly it's technical / brutal death metal with some breakdowns. Many bands that are actually in the Metal Archives (Thy Art Is Murder, Boris the Blade, Resist the Thought, Whitechapel, blablabla) play the same style, yet Signal the Firing Squad are banned.


In my opinion, this pretty much proves their metalness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7z7QJZqR0k


Thanks for looking into this! :-)

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kilerdrail
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:27 pm 
 

Many days ago OpsiusCato has rejected the band Engdroth for not having a physical release proof.

Well, here is it http://i45.tinypic.com/263ve5s.jpg

I traded with Leigh from Smell the Stench long ago. My copy is 5/50

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:34 pm 
 

Vautour, none of those bands have significantly metal albums, sorry.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:25 am 
 

aloof wrote:
thanks for your reply :) just to make sure, you wouldn't consider them "metal enough"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGvKyRqphtY

No, I wouldn't. Although it's borderline in some places, I admit.
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false_icon
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:44 am 
 

What about Genocide Superstars (aka Genocide SS)?
I did use the search function, and found they've been discussed here years ago, but was not able to find a definitive mod answer.

They are/were a side project of members from Nasum, Necrony and Regurgitate, 3 bands listed here.
International distribution is provided by a Relapse.

Shouldn't we have them here, based on the side project rule?
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Vautour
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:09 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
Vautour, none of those bands have significantly metal albums, sorry.


First of all, thanks for answering!



But with all due respect - this is the whole first Signal the Firing Squad album (save the intro), which of these songs ISN'T "significantly metal"?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXcKrCrAims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeURSWstouU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPoW8eSNyFs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7z7QJZqR0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWI7_Wro16A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A6JM34FtwY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC3O7M_e02s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WduZIOKYkE


This is simply technical/brutal death metal with some breakdowns thrown in. And I honestly believe that everybody who doesn't hear that never gave them a chance in the first place, sorry. Please don't ban me.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:37 am 
 

false_icon wrote:
What about Genocide Superstars (aka Genocide SS)?
I did use the search function, and found they've been discussed here years ago, but was not able to find a definitive mod answer.

They are/were a side project of members from Nasum, Necrony and Regurgitate, 3 bands listed here.
International distribution is provided by a Relapse.

Shouldn't we have them here, based on the side project rule?

We'll take a look at them.
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:21 pm 
 

kilerdrail wrote:
Many days ago OpsiusCato has rejected the band Engdroth for not having a physical release proof.

Well, here is it http://i45.tinypic.com/263ve5s.jpg

I traded with Leigh from Smell the Stench long ago. My copy is 5/50


Ah, the not-working-links-guy!

Resubmit, along with more pictures, please.
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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:33 pm 
 

hi dudes, can you unblacklist Everlasting Sorrow from syria?? I contacted the dude and he have released in cd??

http://i48.tinypic.com/2gwdsec.jpg

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:11 pm 
 

elfstone321 wrote:
hi dudes, can you unblacklist Everlasting Sorrow from syria?? I contacted the dude and he have released in cd??

http://i48.tinypic.com/2gwdsec.jpg

We need more proofs for the band from the country like Syria. Either respectable label/distro selling it or detailed photos of the CD. Also, 50 dollars for CD and 60 dollars for shipping?? I hope it's not US dollars, or the guy simply has no idea what he's talking about.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:17 pm 
 

elfstone321 wrote:
hi dudes, can you unblacklist Everlasting Sorrow from syria?? I contacted the dude and he have released in cd??

http://i48.tinypic.com/2gwdsec.jpg


hi dude

Sorry, can't really say this is convincing at all. Why would anyone pay 60 dollars for shipping and 50 for the cd???
Also, when I looked at the band's facebook profile, I didn't see this conversation nor any evidence that a cd has been made.

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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:19 pm 
 

about the 50 dollars he warn me before asking about how expensive is the cd (change of country issues), but I will se if I can get the photo of CD

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:24 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Also, when I looked at the band's facebook profile, I didn't see this conversation

Not saying this is legit, but that's most likely from a private messaging session.

Anyway, if true, the pricing is just insane.
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:33 pm 
 

I thought elfstone321 was a man...
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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:34 pm 
 

hi, here is the whole conversation with the dude (it is a private messages). Just for curiosity

http://i48.tinypic.com/350127n.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/10nuzht.jpg

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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:38 pm 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
I thought elfstone321 was a man...


well ,yes I am a man, but this is not my account (since I dont have).

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Verd
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:50 pm 
 

I actually have (many have) some problems defining Oi!.

Do you think this is metal? (same group, Dissident)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSZsmjglZpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsUXrj1TXg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV05UvyQ-4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgELTikk3M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdKK7NWX7kg

Didn't submit them because they probably will be rejected, just asking.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:57 pm 
 

Verd wrote:
I actually have (many have) some problems defining Oi!.

Do you think this is metal? (same group, Dissident)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSZsmjglZpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsUXrj1TXg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV05UvyQ-4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgELTikk3M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdKK7NWX7kg

Didn't submit them because they probably will be rejected, just asking.

Without listening to those songs I can tell you this: Submit it and you will see. As I have explained before, this thread isn't for asking whether a band would get accepted, it's for inquiring about previously rejected/deleted/blacklisted stuff. If you think a band might have a place here, gather the necessary info/proof and submit them. That's what the queue is for. If you're not sure yourself, best not to submit it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:54 pm 
 

I was looking for 'The Atomic Bitchwax' on Metal-archives but to no avail, and when I tried submitting it, it appears as blacklisted. Why is that, though? At least their first release (Atomic Bitchwax I) sounds pretty Stoner metal to me. If I'm not right, could you guys at least tell me why it was rejected? It's not really a favorite band or anything, but now I'm just curious.

This is an example of the first song of their first release

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gkw4t3PU4E
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:58 pm 
 

Az, he can't submit because they are blacklisted.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:17 pm 
 

Turtle_Factory wrote:
I was looking for 'The Atomic Bitchwax' on Metal-archives but to no avail, and when I tried submitting it, it appears as blacklisted. Why is that, though? At least their first release (Atomic Bitchwax I) sounds pretty Stoner metal to me. If I'm not right, could you guys at least tell me why it was rejected? It's not really a favorite band or anything, but now I'm just curious.

This is an example of the first song of their first release

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gkw4t3PU4E

It's more rock than metal, but I'll check the whole album, anyway it's a good band!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:07 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
aloof wrote:
thanks for your reply :) just to make sure, you wouldn't consider them "metal enough"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGvKyRqphtY

No, I wouldn't. Although it's borderline in some places, I admit.


okies. thanks again :)

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