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Helvede
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:08 pm 
 

Xshibuya has been eliminated. Gothic metal my ass, this is nu metal Dir en Grey-worship.

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ScarletteLaMourette
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:30 pm 
 

i was wondering why the band Kittie was black listed, as a big fan of them it bothered me to se that they were blacklisted

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:37 pm 
 

ScarletteLaMourette wrote:
i was wondering why the band Kittie was black listed, as a big fan of them it bothered me to se that they were blacklisted


As mentioned in the blacklist: "Girly Mallcore".
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elsteven0
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:51 am 
 

Metantoine wrote:
These bands, based on our guidelines, are not metal and that's the reason why they are blacklisted and you're obviously not the first one trying to add them. So, accept the decision or you know, contest it, but yeah, don't.

This Slipknot is also "real", for your information.


Well if the rules are like that, then so be it. I'm was just simply asking. I was just going by the descriptions that i hear most people use, so sorry!
Oh, how akward for me, with not knowing about Slipknot. Serves me for not researching enough! No disrespect intended.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:19 am 
 

No idea if you're trying to be sarcastic, or just really, really polite, dude...

In either case, your original question would've been answered if you'd consulted the rules.

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elsteven0
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:33 pm 
 

Trying to be polite, sorry about the tone.

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DreadlockMocio
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:00 pm 
 

Vergissmeinnicht is the neofolk side project of Lu from Heartless with a worldwide distrubution and it is also a little bit significative for the chinese black metal scene. Why this band is blacklisted?

- http://website.pest666.com/pest009.html

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:56 am 
 

You literally just answered your own question:
DeadlockMocio wrote:
it is also a little bit significative for the chinese black metal scene

For a non-metal side-project to be worth adding to a METAL encyclopaedia, it needs to be founded by damn significant metal musicians. Nobody's ever heard of this "Lu".

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kitaevay
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:16 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The ... 3540352373

"While the song does sound more metallic than their usual stuff, we're gonna need a sufficiently metal full-length, not a "mere" split. If the band releases another album in that style in the future, you can bring it up in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=64985 For now, TGA is a stoner rock band that released a metallic split.

DO NOT go about this the way you did, i.e. submitting the band with another country to go around the blacklist. The thread linked above is there for a reason."

maybe admins not read this one closer - i talk not only about two last releases - single and split, but also about third album
http://thegrandastoria.bandcamp.com/album/omnipresence
my thoughts track by track:
1.Doomsday Party 03:27 - stoner/punk/metal, far not clear 100% metal, but here many metal stuff under stoner/punk on the top
2.Hungry & Foolish 05:46 - stoner rock
3.Mania Grandiosa 07:55 - heavy metal/doom/maybe prog metal like Ayreon in the middle, after that little thrash/speed something,
4.Omniabsence 04:03 - something like metal ballad bass with space/pshyedelic, not metal track, but metal band playing pshychedelic
5.Rat Race In Moscow 05:18 - stoner rock
6.Something Wicked This Way Comes 12:49 - metal epic
7.The Song Of Hope 05:40 - heavy funk rock with Mustaine-like vocals
8.Omnipresence 06:19 - psychedelic rock
9.Stonewall 05:25 - stoner intro metal/doom

I think that this is metal band, that playing in many styles and here many metal stuff, but guys not playing just stoner, or just psychedelic rock or just metal - they playing some stoner songs, some psychedelic songs, some metal songs. Here 3 metal songs with long weight and some metal moments in others. Here also 3 rock songs, one funk and 2 instrumental jams. I think this is normal proportion for bands like Megadeth/Down/Black Sabbath and others that not played only metal stuff.

Most stoner listeners critic the band - "too many metal", but metal material only grows in music - next single (after that 3rd album) "Caesar Enters The Palace Of Doom"
http://thegrandastoria.bandcamp.com/alb ... ce-of-doom
A side (main song) - doom metal/thrash - total metal song

Next release - last record, split
http://thegrandastoria.bandcamp.com/alb ... ay-concern
doom metal epic - this is not just split, this is 19:18 song - length of normal EP

first album was half-metal (only in last song no any metal stuff):
http://thegrandastoria.bandcamp.com/album/i

second was instrumental pshychedelic experiment
http://thegrandastoria.bandcamp.com/album/ii
but here we have 1 metal song too "The Inner Galactic Experience Of Emily Dickinson And Sylvia Plath"

guys always was metal band, that play not only metal, but stoner and pshychedelic too, some releases more metal, some not, but this is clear that guys grew on Megadeth on first place. I always tought that this is metal band and not only me, i read many reviews (stonerrock.ru forum, social networks, other web sources) that always treat the band in the way "too many metal" and guys always saying - we was and we would metal band. I think this is metal band too. Maybe they not enogh metal for metal-archives, this is ok - you will judge as moderators. I know that now Kamille (leader, author) is under big influence of Voivod (80x, Dimantion Hatros, Nothingface) now as we talk about it after i was on Roadburn and heard Dimantion Hatros (my favourite) full length live.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The ... 3540352373

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BlackWizard
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:11 am 
 

hello, i was trying to add an italian band named VAREGO, but it is blacklisted and i wonder why since the band is playing sludge/stoner metal. hope to have a feedback about, thank you. here's a link http://metalmaniacs.bigcartel.com/produ ... o-tumultum

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:35 am 
 

The_Seventh wrote:
2 songs, less than 10 minutes = 2 weeks for listen.
I swear this was my last post.


You do understand that these mods devote their free time to this site, correct?
This isn't a job where they are paid to do this work, they do it in the time that they have outside of work and study.

How about you have some patience and appreciate that they responded you at all, instead of being a cocksucker.
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:49 am 
 

BlackWizard wrote:
hello, i was trying to add an italian band named VAREGO, but it is blacklisted and i wonder why since the band is playing sludge/stoner metal. hope to have a feedback about, thank you. here's a link http://metalmaniacs.bigcartel.com/produ ... o-tumultum

The band was judged to be post-punk a few weeks ago. Sorry.

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BlackWizard
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:56 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
BlackWizard wrote:
hello, i was trying to add an italian band named VAREGO, but it is blacklisted and i wonder why since the band is playing sludge/stoner metal. hope to have a feedback about, thank you. here's a link http://metalmaniacs.bigcartel.com/produ ... o-tumultum

The band was judged to be post-punk a few weeks ago. Sorry.


thanks for the fast feedback, but this is wrong, the band is not post punk, they are stoner metal. there is any chance to correct this and fill the band? you can easily verify the band style here: https://www.facebook.com/varego

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:28 am 
 

@kitaevay: I agree that The Grand Astoria warrants some more analysis. I remembered their third album as being pretty straight rock, but the band doesn't make things that easy for us, it would seem. We'll keep you posted.
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BlackWizard
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:20 pm 
 

@Alhadis
i give you also some review links, even if in italian language, you can easily see they speak of mastodon, karma to burn, voivod and even neurosis, as bands of reference for VAREGO:

http://www.hardsounds.it/recensione.php?id=8628
http://brutalcrush.com/2012/08/11/i-can ... a-records/

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:24 pm 
 

Heh, BlackWizard we don't give a shit if the band is made "in reference" to other bands; that argument holds up as well as saying because your friends are delinquents, you're a delinquent, or that because Black Sabbath played at the same festival as the Foo Fighters and Limp Bizkit, that such bands are automatically metal also. I'm afraid that's not how it works here.

Bands are judged on their own merits, and Varego was found to not be metal.

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BlackWizard
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:35 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
Heh, BlackWizard we don't give a shit if the band is made "in reference" to other bands; that argument holds up as well as saying because your friends are delinquents, you're a delinquent, or that because Black Sabbath played at the same festival as the Foo Fighters and Limp Bizkit, that such bands are automatically metal also. I'm afraid that's not how it works here.

Bands are judged on their own merits, and Varego was found to not be metal.


well, i'm sorry but your opinion is wrong. period! i think a suggestion from a metal archive user should be well accepted and took on consideration and not answered with insults by a moderator! regards

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:49 pm 
 

BlackWizard wrote:
Derigin wrote:
Heh, BlackWizard we don't give a shit if the band is made "in reference" to other bands; that argument holds up as well as saying because your friends are delinquents, you're a delinquent, or that because Black Sabbath played at the same festival as the Foo Fighters and Limp Bizkit, that such bands are automatically metal also. I'm afraid that's not how it works here.

Bands are judged on their own merits, and Varego was found to not be metal.


well, i'm sorry but your opinion is wrong. period! i think a suggestion from a metal archive user should be well accepted and took on consideration and not answered with insults by a moderator! regards

What insults? Anyway, the band was considered and you were given an answer. Accept it.
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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:12 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
@kitaevay: I agree that The Grand Astoria warrants some more analysis. I remembered their third album as being pretty straight rock, but the band doesn't make things that easy for us, it would seem. We'll keep you posted.

They definitely do have some metal influences, especially in their splits and singles, but we should wait until they release a full blown metal album. Metal is simply another part of their genre with equal amounts of stoner rock, psych rock and prog. Considering the popularity of doom in Europe (Orchid being signed to Nuclear Blast), I guess it's simply a matter of time until they release a full doom or stoner metal album.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:42 pm 
 

Yes, agreed. kitaevay, it's been discussed by a number of mods and the decision is to wait until they release another full-length, which will then be judged again. I wouldn't be surprised if it will be enough to get them approved. However, for now the band will stay blacklisted.
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:22 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
What insults?

There were none, of course. But some people take it personally when you tell them their music isn't metal. :confused:
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BlackWizard
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:14 am 
 

Morrigan wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
What insults?

There were none, of course. But some people take it personally when you tell them their music isn't metal. :confused:


nothing of personal, i just followed your rules when you say to notify any possible mistake, giving you some links, and the answer was: "we dont give a shit". no problem though, i accept your decision of course ;)

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kitaevay
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:05 am 
 

@Azmodes & @Metantoine
thank you for the answers, i understand the position and third album is really contain more rock songs then metal. IMO first album is enough metal, but need more time for analyse and looks like was blacklisted earlier. If you have a good will for it, maybe you check first one - most tracks mixing psychedel, stoner and metal in different part of songs, except last one track. Later i will post my analyse.

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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am 
 

BlackWizard wrote:
nothing of personal, i just followed your rules when you say to notify any possible mistake, giving you some links, and the answer was: "we dont give a shit".

That's pretty out of context, isn't it? His actual statement was, "Heh, BlackWizard we don't give a shit if the band is made "in reference" to other bands;". You are implying that he said "we don't give a shit about you", which isn't the case at all. He could have phrased it like this and the meaning would be the same: "Heh, BlackWizard, it doesn't matter if the band is made "in reference" to other bands".

Now maybe you think he was ever so slightly too abrasive in his response, but if so I suggest you find thicker skin. Keeping in mind that the argument he was responding to was pretty asinine too. :p
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:43 am 
 

kitaevay wrote:
@Azmodes & @Metantoine
thank you for the answers, i understand the position and third album is really contain more rock songs then metal. IMO first album is enough metal, but need more time for analyse and looks like was blacklisted earlier. If you have a good will for it, maybe you check first one - most tracks mixing psychedel, stoner and metal in different part of songs, except last one track. Later i will post my analyse.

The first album sounds considerably less metal to me than the third, to be honest, it was already considered. So my previous statement still stands. You can post an analysis, if you insist, but it won't help. This is the decision of the staff at this point. You may not want to waste your (and our) time.
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xynobys
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:04 pm 
 

PLEASE approve the band ABSTRACTER, this is reasoning for the SECOND and unappealable rejection:

"Psychadelic Rock. Not a metal band; does not belong on Encyclopaedia Metallum. Please read our rules next time to see what qualifies as metal."


This is ridiculous! all it takes is a quick listen to the music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERgzA7PoyvI

This band is AS METAL AS IT GETS! this is an extremely heavy Doom metal band with psychedelic elements to the music, it never said "Psychedelic Rock" ANYWHERE! Only "Psychedelic" hence the genre tag. The genre was amended, PLEASE approve it!

And PLEASE don't ask me to resubmit it, it took me hours to do so the first time, please approve this ASAP, this was a mistake on your end, please approve!

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Abs ... 3540351699

thanks!


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sakuzu
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:08 pm 
 

Media-Youth was rejected, but I really think they play metal. Just listen these samples:

http://www.jrocker.com/music/jrock/media-yellow.mp3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=e ... Ep8dU&NR=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UytLdkU ... ure=relmfu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGG6Xh4a4YA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT8F5fH ... creen&NR=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_KNq3 ... ure=relmfu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce2fKQE ... ure=relmfu

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:16 pm 
 

sakuzu wrote:
Media-Youth was rejected, but I really think they play metal. Just listen these samples:

Oh ENOUGH already! We've already listened to those damn samples, and we didn't find them to be nearly convincing enough.

Look, I don't know about the other mods, sakuzu, but I'm getting really sick and tired of all your j-rock submissions. Just accept the fact we don't consider them metal by our guidelines and move on, please. Reposting the song samples isn't going to make us go "Hey, whoa, this actually IS metal! Holy crap, we were wrong!"

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:24 pm 
 

Alhadis wrote:
Look, I don't know about the other mods, sakuzu, but I'm getting really sick and tired of all your j-rock submissions.

Count me in.

sakuzu, learn to live with the fact that the standards of this site differ from your own. It's not the end of the world.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:56 pm 
 

Thirded.
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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:04 pm 
 

xynobys wrote:
PLEASE approve the band ABSTRACTER, this is reasoning for the SECOND and unappealable rejection:

"Psychadelic Rock. Not a metal band; does not belong on Encyclopaedia Metallum. Please read our rules next time to see what qualifies as metal."


This is ridiculous! all it takes is a quick listen to the music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERgzA7PoyvI

This band is AS METAL AS IT GETS! this is an extremely heavy Doom metal band with psychedelic elements to the music, it never said "Psychedelic Rock" ANYWHERE! Only "Psychedelic" hence the genre tag. The genre was amended, PLEASE approve it!

And PLEASE don't ask me to resubmit it, it took me hours to do so the first time, please approve this ASAP, this was a mistake on your end, please approve!

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Abs ... 3540351699

thanks!

It appears to be digital only, I think the music would qualify though, but you REALLY need to change your tone ASAP.
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DreadlockMocio
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:08 pm 
 

The band A Tear Beyond submitted by me was rejected, because it was not clear the physical release... but read here:
- http://www.atearbeyond.com/
there's written "in order to buy beyond contact us" and later an email address, that's logic that they are selling physical CD there's also an artwork with a CD.. i don't know why it was rejected, i also submitted flyers in the past with written OUT NOW and a CD artwork... physical release is evident here.

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deplo
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:08 am 
 

I tried to add the project "Сердце-Камень" which is a solo-project of ex-Alkonost's frontman, vocalist, bassist, songwriter and poet.

The project was rejected because of a lack of physical proof, however I've also added that this split EP was released through a well-reputated Russian label which is SoundAge, here's the link where you can order this split EP for 150p, so it can't be an online release!

http://soundage.org/shop/goods.php?razd ... 62&id=3467

On a side note, the project released 1 non-metal song before, so for metalness, kindly judge the first proper release which is a split EP side, since one cannot add a split release for yet-to-be accepted bands!

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WatersofAin
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:09 am 
 

"This band was blacklisted because their instruments are all programmed - a band needs actual guitars for it to be regarded as metal by the site. If you want to inquire about a rejected or blacklisted band, please post in this thread instead of trying to resubmit under a different name and hope it'll get accepted."
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As he had said in the additional notes, tried to add the Spell Funereal, but it didn't work, so I explained and I received the email with the proper notification, so am sending link to upload a song that will go out on our next job, to prove that only the battery is programmed.Then follow the link to the track.
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http://soundcloud.com/henriqueaarstad/v ... tima-necat

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:25 am 
 

Oh, so you're a member of the band? I'll assume you now have a member who can actually play guitar? :p

In either case, we won't be unblacklisting your band until the metallic release is finished, and it's in physical circulation. Note the word physical.

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WatersofAin
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:32 am 
 

OK, so how do I do to get everything right, after the physical release of Spell Funereal's EP ? I shot a picture and post here?

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:39 am 
 

You'll need to supply us with ample samples of each track - which we'll be evaluating carefully to ensure that nothing's programmed. And when taking the picture, please be sure to include as many copies in the photograph as possible. Showing us one or two really doesn't convince us of anything.

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WatersofAin
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:46 am 
 

Ok, but as said above, the battery is programmed. But in the case of who asked, I will certainly take the picture with all copies that I receive.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:59 am 
 

By "nothing's programmed" I meant the guitar riffs. :p

But yes, you're welcome to post the evidence in this thread once it's done.

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filippovsasha
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:01 am 
 

Hey, you. What else you need to fuck? 5 tracks of all releases. 3 tracks in the style of dark ambient. the other two in the style of drone doom metal!
is in physical form! is the label!
Why do not you take a request, if half of ambient tracks, and half metal?

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