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Numerator_41
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:12 am 
 

I've read so many stories of people that were into them back in the 90's, were extremely excited for the full-length, and then got a third-tier brutal death metal album.

If you like their hardcore stuff, you should track down the Abnegation/Chapter split and the compilation CD, Stones to Mark a Fire. The latter release has the best Abnegation song (that they butchered on the full-length).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miYxGSN_UcM
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Napero
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:56 pm 
 

I have gradually grown VERY tired of the word "underrated". Yes, you may think an album or a band is underrated, but being underrated somehow implies that people know about it, and rate it below what it would deserve in your opinion, whatever that may be worth. However, if the band is one of those groups no-one has ever heard about, they can't be underrated, they are unknown.

Rating something, either over or under what you think is suitable, requires knowledge of the subject. If you wish to let everybody about a band they've never had a chance to hear, be honest about it and call it unknown, will you?

Of course, if it's one of those bands that made waves in the famous Black Metal Underground with their first demo, The Worm-infested Cabbage Brigade or something, my argument is immediately invalid, and I apologize.
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Napero
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:10 pm 
 

And, of course, the "movie trailer voice" format. I always imagine Pablo Francisco reading them with a drunken grin on his face:

"The year is 2002. The scene is filled with garbage and posers, but two men decide to rise against the odds, and release an album to change the world, to rearrange the continents, and do the laundry. They catch the biggest red snapper in the frigid waters of Antarctica, record solos that either melt or carbonize faces, depending on whichever outcome is the scientifically valid one, and use bent screwdrivers to open cans of peaches to use in blasphemous drunken stunts..."

Yeah, use the past tense. It is NOT 2002 any more. If it was, I'd want it to be 1986 or thereabouts, and not 2002.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:20 am 
 

Napero wrote:
And, of course, the "movie trailer voice" format. I always imagine Pablo Francisco reading them with a drunken grin on his face:

"The year is 2002...


Thanks for that... Completely cracked me up. "Arnold Schwarzenegger is the Little Tortilla Boy..."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:04 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/I ... 2/waxlrose

The first paragraph (read: sentence) of this review feels like the literary equivalent of an Escher painting. I must have read it at least 6 times now. Not to discern any deeper meaning or insight, just for the sheer enjoyment of the uncomfortable feeling it brings me.
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EndofHumanity
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:40 pm 
 

I've only been on this site for week and man, alot of negativity in reviews haha. Sometimes I get the idea people purposefully give bad reviews to bands or genres they don't like :s (As in, Deathcore doesn't seem to be highly regarded around here)

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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:48 pm 
 

As opposed to accidentally giving a negative review? Pretty sure the whole point of a negative review is that people don't like it, bucko...that's kind of the idea. And no there isn't "a lot of negativity" here. Just people talking about music. ;)
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EndofHumanity
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:51 pm 
 

True, true. I just dislike it when criticizing muscianship becomes a personal attack on the band members just because of the genre they play. I don't get offended or anything lol, just an observation.

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Napero
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:37 am 
 

People seem to interpret negative reviews as personal attacks on the musicians if the said reviews are on their favourite bands. Rest assured that a real, aggressive attack on the band members' personalities or whatnot is quite unlikely to pass the modding part of the reviewing process. If you specifically have any particular reviews in mind, please post links here, and we'll take a look.

Reviews are about music. The image or personalities are, of course, good additional material, and should not be ignored, but disliking the music or musicianship does not equal a personal attack on band members; it's an essential part of any review to state that if it indeed is the case.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:28 pm 
 

Also, I've dealt with roughly sixteen squintillion overwhelmingly positive reviews since I've started this whole modding thing, and maybe a few dozen negative reviews, with even less lukewarm ones. People who say the reviews here are too negative simply A) aren't looking very hard/far within reviews, B) simply like bands/albums that many people don't, C) have a stick up their ass when it comes to "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all", or D) all of the above.
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Zelkiiro
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:16 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Also, I've dealt with roughly sixteen squintillion overwhelmingly positive reviews since I've started this whole modding thing,

How many of them were for Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Iced Earth, and Pantera?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:19 pm 
 

A lot of 100% reviews for Painkiller written by 16 years old :)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:25 pm 
 

Zelkiiro wrote:
BastardHead wrote:
Also, I've dealt with roughly sixteen squintillion overwhelmingly positive reviews since I've started this whole modding thing,

How many of them were for Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Iced Earth, and Pantera?


I've actually only had one Metallica review, and it was a negative one for Death Magnetic (it was rejected), but I've had at least one 100% review for each of the other bands.
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OzzyApu
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:43 pm 
 

I vastly prefer writing negative reviews. Feels more satisfying to tear apart something constructively than to build up an argument as to why something is good. Writing my recent Sepultura reviews, for instance, was more fun than writing my Running Wild fanboy ones. Positive reviews like that can be summed up as "listen to this NOW!" whereas negative reviews beat down something that (imo) deserves it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:35 pm 
 

I'm very surprised that all the reviews of the new Ensiferum album are negative. I don't disagree with them entirely, but usually when a big name band releases something, there are at least two 95%+ reviews that get accepted the day of release.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:39 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
I'm very surprised that all the reviews of the new Ensiferum album are negative. I don't disagree with them entirely, but usually when a big name band releases something, there are at least two 95%+ reviews that get accepted the day of release.

It's often not a big-name group at all.

I've seen some fairly obscure Euro-power metal groups have, like, 3 reviews with an average of 96% and I'm like, "Oh shit! This must be awesome!" but then I notice all three are done by people with lots of numbers in their name. :durr:
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:16 am 
 

The new Ensiferum is terrible. We won't likely see any of those high scoring fanboy reviews because this is an album fanboys aren't liking.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:06 pm 
 

So I was reading autothrall's great breakdown of why Operation Mindcrime II is shit, and I saw 4 reviews written before the album's release date. Back in 2006 this wasn't a standard guideline, so that is fine, but one of the reviews is an overly long track by track mess. Then something caught my eye as I was reading it, and I went to check our buddies at progarchives.

The review in question: http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Q ... /Scizzgoth.
The same review on progarchives: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=74682

http://www.metal-archives.com/users/Scizzgoth
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=4799

I get why people plagiarize, but why do people have to plagiarize bad reviews? Unless that's actually the guy using two different names and countries.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:50 pm 
 

I used to go on the same forum as Scizzgoth, and I can tell you that he does use different names for different sites, and the review on MA is definitely his (I remember him changing his opinion on the album from despising it to loving it in the span of a few days when it first came out, and that was the review that resulted). However - he's Greek, and the guy on Progarchives is claiming he's German. Might be worth looking into further.

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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:10 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/T ... apocalypse

Funny Trivium apologist review.

Some great bits:
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That is my first thought whenever I start listening to Trivium: "Why?" I ask myself why this band receives so much criticism from the average "trve" metalhead.
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This shows up the greatest in guitar leads, which add perfect harmony to their songs
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the plentiful well of melodies
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Every single chorus in this album is catchy, but without being generic or "poppy."
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This really isn't much like metalcore - and even if it is, this is almost the best metalcore one can possibly get.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:19 am 
 

Nothing is funny here except the first quote, he's entitled to his opinion, Trivium are lame in my opinion as well, but they do have good leads.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:32 am 
 

I though it was amusing how he used quotation marks for poppy, trve and metalcore - every time he's being particularly apologistic. The last quote is hilarious in my opinion, in how preoccupied the guy is with Trivium's genre tag. "Plentiful well of melodies" is an amusing piece of purple writing, and the second quote is very strangely worded and structured.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:54 am 
 

Ilwhyan wrote:
and the second quote is very strangely worded and structured.


I was expecting to see that the reviewer was spouting some A-rate engrish, but he's actually from the U.S.?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:42 pm 
 

Thanks to Metantoine for the quick turn around on all of my reviews... Out of the twenty or so in recent months, I'm pretty sure he was responsible for accepting nineteen. Thanks brother!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:45 pm 
 

TheStormIRide wrote:
Ilwhyan wrote:
and the second quote is very strangely worded and structured.


I was expecting to see that the reviewer was spouting some A-rate engrish, but he's actually from the U.S.?

Yeah, his writing is quite mediocre and I checked the IP to know his location, I was disappointed, I'm less severe with non native speakers, of course.

Storm, your reviews are always great, continue your good work!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:18 pm 
 

I've had to stop writing reviews because I'm awful at it. I can go on all day about how an album made me feel, but to point out specifics and go into descriptions is where my writing skills call it quits and go home.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:24 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
Storm, your reviews are always great, continue your good work!



Thanks a ton! And I really mean that. I used to chase after some of the greats from back in the day (Aeturnus65, OlympicSharpshooter, etc.), but I decided I'd give up on trying to be uber-prolific, as it's not my style... A shorter and more to the point overview seems to fit my writing style a little better.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:49 pm 
 

I'm having fun developing my own style these days. I like longish review, but I wrote a short one for Black Chalice, 400 words iirc, I liked it but not as much as my longer review, like my latest one for Witch Mountain (written the same day but with more booze and I think it's much better. I like to the point reviews but they're not really my style, I like silly metaphors, pseudo poetic sentences and images, all this without compromising on the music description, of course.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:08 pm 
 

Ocassionally I'll get on a roll and write a fairly long review, but I find it happening less and less. I think when I write a review for something I've listened to for years, it comes a little easier...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:23 pm 
 

TheStormIRide wrote:
Ocassionally I'll get on a roll and write a fairly long review, but I find it happening less and less. I think when I write a review for something I've listened to for years, it comes a little easier...

Definitely agree. A go writing into every review (of a full-length) hoping for a minimum / maximum of four paragraphs for the sake of myself and the reader. That keeps it concise enough to where it won't like I'm dragging something out. Anything longer means I'm getting specific or delving into praise or bashing, and hopefully the review calls for that or I'm shooting myself in the foot.
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TheStormIRide wrote:
Metantoine wrote:
Storm, your reviews are always great, continue your good work!



Thanks a ton! And I really mean that. I used to chase after some of the greats from back in the day (Aeturnus65, OlympicSharpshooter, etc.), but I decided I'd give up on trying to be uber-prolific, as it's not my style... A shorter and more to the point overview seems to fit my writing style a little better.


Happy to see you're still writing. I used to have a long list of solid reviewers on my profile page, and you were on it.
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SortaShooter wrote:
Happy to see you're still writing. I used to have a long list of solid reviewers on my profile page, and you were on it.


True story, when I'd first started getting popular here, it was pretty much my dream to end up on that list. When I did see my name there, you might as well have hung a gold record on my wall.
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BastardHead wrote:
True story, when I'd first started getting popular here, it was pretty much my dream to end up on that list. When I did see my name there, you might as well have hung a gold record on my wall.



This exactly! When I first saw my user name on that list I was estatic. It was the Pulitzer prize for metal reviews!
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I wasn't invited..... :grumble:
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GuntherTheUndying wrote:
I wasn't invited..... :grumble:


Sorry about your luck brother... I feel like I should screen shot the old profile and hang it on my wall!
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Yo Willytank! I really liked reading your review of that Dream Theater album. I myself own it and it was also the first I bought from the batch I own from them, and I also haven't heard it in a while. I think that deep down I fear that the "alarms" you describe may be set off by listening to it nowadays. ;)
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/E ... chris_wtbd
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Eluveitie/Helvetios/323788/chris_wtbd
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"Helvetios" is Eluveities fifth full-length album and I have to say I had high exceptions.


When a review starts like this you know it's gonna be good.


I guess there weren't any better 100% fanboy reviews to balance this one out :P

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xexyzl wrote:
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"Helvetios" is Eluveities fifth full-length album and I have to say I had high exceptions.


When a review starts like this you know it's gonna be good.

I nuked the review, some modding leniency there :)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:31 pm 
 

:durr: I'll take the blame for that one. The review was more bloated at first and I kind of helped the guy with some tips on how to make the reviews less cumbersome and easier to read, and somehow missed that blatant typo all three times it went through the queue.
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