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helvader
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:04 pm 
 

That's it. Which version do you enjoy the most? The 1985 original, or the remastered one.
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DemonHellSpawn
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:09 pm 
 

Original
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Mayhem62
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:19 pm 
 

I only the Century Media remaster. So I can't compare, but I would love to find an original version.

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RottingWays
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:53 pm 
 

The original is almost always the best.
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Vrede
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:59 pm 
 

Do you mean the CM reissue or the re-recorded abomination named "Let There Be Blood"?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:01 pm 
 

Yeah, the original was fine, and with it you also get to listen to the vintage version that everyone listened to back in 1985. So why even bother with a remaster?
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ModusOperandi
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:44 pm 
 

The Century Media remaster is actually pretty decent. It's higher in volume but not exactly "louder," if that makes sense, compared to the original. If you're asking if it's brickwalled or super-compressed, someone else could probably let you in on that as I'm not that intelligent on those matters yet. The same also holds true for the CM remastered reissues of Pleasures of the Flesh and Fabulous Disaster. Nothing's been rerecorded or sampled so you do get the original tones. That was one of my favorite things about FD in that the rhythm guitar tones seemed to slightly vary from song to song. Not sure if that was intentional, but I appreciate it nonetheless.

I do have the original issues of the first 3 albums for collector's sake but I think this is an example where the remaster was done right. I have seen mp3s and lossless versions of the reissues floating around the web, so it is possible to compare and contrast if you feel it necessary.

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celt14
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:20 pm 
 

I have the 1999 Century Media version, with the faithfully restored artwork and two live bonus tracks. It doesn't mention anywhere being remastered. Is my version a good version, and is it the original or a remaster?

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slayerhatesusall
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:49 pm 
 

The original 1985 combat/torrid cd pressing with the blue cover with the 2 kids on it sounds different then the 1989 reissue with the red and black cover. I prefer the original combat/torrid pressing from 1985 with the blue cover, because it sounds like the recording is coming apart at the seams at times, like the equipment was hardly meant for recording metal and its pushing its limits, like on some of the songs when a certain note is hit it sounds like the recording is about to be ripped apart since it can't handle the heaviness. It would probably sound faulty to most people but it gives it a certain charm to me. I have the century media remaster I don't remember it sounding different then the 1989 red cover version.
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:56 pm 
 

helvader wrote:
That's it. Which version do you enjoy the most? The 1985 original, or the remastered one.

holy shit man! i played these yesterday and considered mentioning this in the covers vs original thread, spooky :getout:

i have these two
http://www.discogs.com/Exodus-Bonded-By ... se/2180425
http://www.discogs.com/Exodus-Let-There ... se/1597317

i noticed in the older one loads of crackly bits especially on the vocals on the right channel, i even tried the cd in the pc [which exploded] and another stereo and got the same crackle.
check out the last minute or less of the first song on bonded by blood, what do you guys reckon?
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lennonlikesmetal
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:08 pm 
 

Any version except Let There Be Blood!

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Animicantus
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:53 pm 
 

Production on the original is flawless. Everything sounds so vibrant.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:46 am 
 

Like a lot of people I have the 99 reissue with the black and red cover. I haven't heard the official remaster but I don't believe I need to. The original sounds perfect, and there's also Another Lesson in Violence and Let There Be Blood as well, both of which are great, particularly the former.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:17 am 
 

i like how exodus and exhorder are right next to each other when i'm shopping [online or otherwise] :metal:
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mrblaash
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:18 am 
 

Original - goat hooves down.. the new vocals just kill it for me... nothing can top the original songs... and the production is just a tad too clean...

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nuke777
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:54 pm 
 

Original Wins. The remastered has just 1 flaw. The screamo type vocals.

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I_Am_Vengeance
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:10 pm 
 

nuke777 wrote:
Original Wins. The remastered has just 1 flaw. The screamo type vocals.


It has more than just 1 flaw I'd say.
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Wahn_nhaW
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:12 pm 
 

How is it possible not to know the difference between the remaster and the re-recording?

I'll ask the obvious: mrblaash and nuke777, how old are you guys?

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nuke777
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:19 pm 
 

My bad lol didn't notice that. Actually I didn't even know they had a reissue of it. I usually dislike remasters. In this case, can't really judge because I don't even know what version I have. It's Thrashy as hell, regardless. I've heard LTBB though, it sounded very strange with the new vocals. Let there be a reissue of Let there be blood with Zetro on vocals.

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Dark_Gnat
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:48 pm 
 

Interesting note: The '99 re-issue with the read and black cover is actually an image of a crowd at a concert. It took a few minutes of staring to see it. :)
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Tezcat
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:54 pm 
 

nuke777 wrote:
Let there be a reissue of Let there be blood with Zetro on vocals.

Seconded!
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AlcoholicMayhem
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:51 pm 
 

Why would someone prefer a remastered edition than the original? I honestly don't get it, maybe I don't want to.. You know, I will always prefer the original versions, it is more close to the band (every band) when they were young and hungry for some pure aggressive music! With the remastered versions and all these stuff this pure feeling is getting lost.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:55 pm 
 

because if it sounds good to them why would they care what anyone else thinks.

+1 original
+0 reissue
-1 remastered
? rerecorded

heh heh :grin:
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Twisted_Psychology
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:06 pm 
 

Tezcat wrote:
nuke777 wrote:
Let there be a reissue of Let there be blood with Zetro on vocals.

Seconded!


As much as I love Zetro, that rerecording would only be fixed if the riffs didn't sound so slow and downtuned. For some reason, songs like "And Then There Were None" just don't work out of their conventional tuning.
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Heavy_Liquid
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:29 pm 
 

hey,

need to use this thread , don't want to start a new one

can someone explain me the main differences between the versions of this album
right now i'm having the silver edition one released 08 by century, is there a difference to the other century remaster releases?
and how does it compare to the back in black one and the old original 89? and 85

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:04 pm 
 

I have the silver edition too. It has the original cover artwork and a folded poster as booklet. It also has a nice blue slipcase with silver logo on it. The production/sound gives no reason to complain. The archives say it's the remastered version while implying the 1999 release isn't. Did cost me 10 €.
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Kigo7
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:46 pm 
 

@Heavy_Liquid The original version of Bonded By Blood has Paul Baloff on vocals as well as the original (ie 80s) production. The '08 version is a re-recording of all the songs on Bonded By Blood but it has Rob Dukes on vocals because Paul Baloff died in 2001 or 2002.

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Metalmeistermms
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:13 pm 
 

Tezcat wrote:
nuke777 wrote:
Let there be a reissue of Let there be blood with Zetro on vocals.

Seconded!


No. There shouldn't have been a re-recording anyway. Bonded by Blood is with Baloff on vocals FULL FUCKING STOP.

Exodus made some pretty decent music after Bonded by Blood, but it never sticked with me perhaps due to the lame vocalists they've had since (including Zetro).
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Heavy_Liquid
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:28 pm 
 

Kigo7 wrote:
@Heavy_Liquid The original version of Bonded By Blood has Paul Baloff on vocals as well as the original (ie 80s) production. The '08 version is a re-recording of all the songs on Bonded By Blood but it has Rob Dukes on vocals because Paul Baloff died in 2001 or 2002.


but i listen to the manic and a bit hoarse voice, i read this must be paul
also i think the 99 century is remastered too, if u look over @ discog

edit
yes, u mean let there be blood, thats with the other vocalist
limited 08 is paul, weird that on discog the centruy 99 release is remastered info
so basically we have:

99 remaster
08 remaster both century
and back on black remaster

and some RU, NL and ARG remasters thats what discog is tellin me

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IanThrash
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:13 pm 
 

the original without a shadow of a doubt
pauls vocals were shitty but matched the agressive and dirty music
perfectly, still one of the best thrash albums out there
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:47 pm 
 

Definitely the original, often in the remastered versions they like.. take the soul out of the music.. if you know what I mean, sounds more generic.
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WaywardSon
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:19 pm 
 

Remastered =/= Re-recorded.

Remastering is as its name implies: the mastering of the album is redone. This usually leads to the album sounding "louder" and more compressed at times.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:57 am 
 

neither. I've always preferred Another Lesson in Violence. It's got Impaler instead of Metal Command plus a few from PotF with Paul on Vocals.
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Heavy_Liquid
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:39 pm 
 

well off course i cant compare to the original CD or vinyl release, but i cant hear a compression or soulless work on the 08 silver century remaster, neither on my 2.1 microlab speakers system nor my cowon player + ultrasone headphones

another lesson in violence i read is good, need to check it out

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Mr Wrong
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:33 am 
 

I've got a question about the 2008 edition. Can anyone describe the packaging of this CD to me? I'm interested in the following:
- back cover
- booklet - are there liner notes? or band photos?
- does it in any place contain this http://s.discogss.com/image/R-1644766-1314542699.jpeg or this http://s.discogss.com/image/R-2862573-1304535754.jpeg?

I'm considering replacing my versions (I've got the 1985 original and the 1989 alternate cover edition) so I'm wondering what I will lose or gain...

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:08 am 
 

back cover = what about it? you want a picture of it [scan]
there are liner notes, credits, a few words from the band explaining why they did it etc and the gear they used
yes there is a band photo under the disc and the same one in the booklet
the first image isn't present, the second image won't load [discogs images don't like being directly linked]

i've got the 2008 let there be blood re-recording and the 1989 alternate cover edition
http://www.discogs.com/Exodus-Let-There-Be-Blood/release/1597317
http://www.discogs.com/Exodus-Bonded-By-Blood/release/3856527
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Mr Wrong
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:32 am 
 

Thanks. The second image is the back cover of the 1989 alternate cover version, the picture of the whole band. Is that repeated in the 2008 version?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:35 am 
 

Mr Wrong wrote:
Thanks. The second image is the back cover of the 1989 alternate cover version, the picture of the whole band. Is that repeated in the 2008 version?

it's a totally different picture in let there be blood
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Mr Wrong
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:02 am 
 

Aghhh, misunderstanding. I do have "Let There Be Blood", but am wondering about the 2008 edition of "Bonded by Blood". This one: http://www.discogs.com/Exodus-Bonded-By ... se/3415598.

Of course it's a different picture in "Let...", it's a different BAND! :)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:24 am 
 

Those who whine about the original release's of old school albums as "not loud enough" must have really shitty sound systems.

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