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Oxenkiller
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:59 pm 
 

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.1137138

Now get this: Dave Mustaine is blaming the Aurura colorado mass murderer on Obama?!? Saying Obama put him up to it just so he could pass gun control legislation.

Is it just me, or is this guy getting nuttier and nuttier? These days, every time Megadave opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it. I mean, Ted Nugent is known for spouting off on all kinds of wierd redneckish crap, but I think this is beyond even Terrible Ted in terms of sheer kookiness.

I mean, I get that not everyone agrees with Obama's policies, but seriously- what's next- is Dave going to blame Obama's health care plan on the death of Ronnie James Dio next?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:15 am 
 

We were talking about this in the FFA for about a page, continue the discussion, I guess.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:18 am 
 

Doubly absurd given both Obama and Romney refused to comment on gun control immediately following the shooting, since each politician is trying to hit the widest berth possible among voters. Mustaine really does need to get back on the H-train; making good music would be secondary to getting him to STFU, at this point.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:27 am 
 

Will Dave Mustaine ever shut up?

Probably not until he dies.
I doubt he'd realize how quickly he's becoming irrelevant.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:47 am 
 

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Doubly absurd given both Obama and Romney refused to comment on gun control immediately following the shooting, since each politician is trying to hit the widest berth possible among voters. Mustaine really does need to get back on the H-train; making good music would be secondary to getting him to STFU, at this point.


Mustaine made good music?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:12 am 
 

Veracs wrote:
Mustaine made good music?


Say what you will about how insane the nutter is, but let's not get carried away now...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:43 am 
 

No, he will never shut up. Mustaine thrives on the attention and every time you mention him, even in a severely negative context, it fuels him. You all should be used to his nonsense by now, it shouldn't be in any way surprising that he blames Obama for all of man's plight. Megadeth has some good songs and I obviously would rate them higher than Metallica, but no amount of good music can cover up him being a shit stain. He's the complete opposite of a rational thinker and I think it's in the best interest of every metalhead to entirely ignore him.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:14 am 
 

It's hard to ignore someone who choses to do his rants with a microphone on a stage in front of thousands of unsuspecting concert-goers. The guy has an audience and that audience will be subjected to his crazy - ignoring him is completely useless in this case. For the same reason we don't ignore the Tea Party. Public stupid needs to be addressed - and if just to make fun of it, which is far more effective.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:34 am 
 

I remember watching an interview with Jesse Ventura on Piers Morgan, I somewhat see the similarities with Mustaine of this need to raise a question about yet another conspiracy theory about some hidden agenda that the current president has and he must be overthrown bla bla bla. Its the same cycle of though that stupid people have - when they don't understand something they invent irrational reasons for the problem.

I remember Ted Nugent (on Piers Morgan) trying to rationalize the need to own guns and why he is such a big supporter. There was an incident when he said something about Obama at a concert or some NRA convention that brought in some CIA/FBI guys to question him about his anti presidential speech. first thing he says well the Constitution says SO bla bla bla. There are many things being said like drink carrot juice for more vitamins - we dont see all people doing it.

Same goes for the Tea Party (or any other the right wing), rather than questioning the problem inside out and trying to bring a solution they would just say "Christian values were here first, this country was built on bla bla bla" they like to stick to slogans and empty yelling rather than bringing a solution. Telling that Obama is behind the shootings and impeaching him is the solution is no where close to the solution. But for the idiots it sounds like a quick simple fix, lets destroy anything we dont agree with and move on. If there is a leak and the wall is all moldy and wet, we would just sand/repaint the wall again and we are fine.

I noticed quite a few articles popping up lately about how ordinary citizens were saved by their right to own a gun when a robber came and they scared them off. Here goes the answer to why we need automatic M4's, right? Problem > Solution. Looks good. Stupid people really see it as a solution, i'm not surprised that Mustaine says what he says.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:27 am 
 

Funny he would go off on this rant in Singapore, as if they give a shit about his Christian values and conspiracy theories. Maybe he admires the concept of litterers and spray-painters getting beaten with sticks by authorities or something.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:51 pm 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/megaidiot-megadeth-frontman-dave-mustaine-obama-mastermind-behind-staged-shootings-aurora-colo-wisconsin-sikh-temple-article-1.1137138
Now get this: Dave Mustaine is blaming the Aurura colorado mass murderer on Obama?!? Saying Obama put him up to it just so he could pass gun control legislation.
Is it just me, or is this guy getting nuttier and nuttier? These days, every time Megadave opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it. I mean, Ted Nugent is known for spouting off on all kinds of wierd redneckish crap, but I think this is beyond even Terrible Ted in terms of sheer kookiness.
I mean, I get that not everyone agrees with Obama's policies, but seriously- what's next- is Dave going to blame Obama's health care plan on the death of Ronnie James Dio next?

No. Just another attention whore.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:49 pm 
 

BasqueStorm wrote:
Oxenkiller wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/megaidiot-megadeth-frontman-dave-mustaine-obama-mastermind-behind-staged-shootings-aurora-colo-wisconsin-sikh-temple-article-1.1137138
Now get this: Dave Mustaine is blaming the Aurura colorado mass murderer on Obama?!? Saying Obama put him up to it just so he could pass gun control legislation.
Is it just me, or is this guy getting nuttier and nuttier? These days, every time Megadave opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it. I mean, Ted Nugent is known for spouting off on all kinds of wierd redneckish crap, but I think this is beyond even Terrible Ted in terms of sheer kookiness.
I mean, I get that not everyone agrees with Obama's policies, but seriously- what's next- is Dave going to blame Obama's health care plan on the death of Ronnie James Dio next?

No. Just another attention whore.


This woman thinks so too.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:02 pm 
 

Mustaine has plenty of money to live comfortably and a career that is solid enough to continue living off of. He's famous enough that any nonsense he spews will be "metal news". Crackpot conspiracy theorists will tell anyone who listens, and because of Dave's legacy, people will listen to him (even if they don't believe him). When you only listen to people within the bubble of Alex Jones' conspiracy world where you have a mandate from god and conventional logic is enforced even less than the drinking age, you'll just get crazier so people keep listening.

No, he will never shut up.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:39 pm 
 

I'm actually sort of impressed that he managed to transform into Fox News incarnate, considering his past before he was a born again christian.

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Oxenkiller
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:29 pm 
 

^well that's the whole thing, this is the guy who once wrote "Peace Sells but Who'se Buying" and "Hook in Mouth." Now read those lyrics, especially the ones to "Hook in Mouth" and you wonder, how this guy can endorse a candidate (Rick Santorum) who endorses every single thing that the song "Hook and Mouth" was railing AGAINST. It's like he has become everything he once hated.

There is a saying that goes: some people who are "Born Again" are an even bigger pain in the ass the second time around. Dave always had asshole tendancies, even from back in his wild drug-addled days, and those never went away, rather when you combined a self-righteous, condescending attitude with those same asshole tendancies, you become even more of an insufferable jerk. Thank God himself, that all God's followers arent like this!!

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There is a saying that goes: some people who are "Born Again" are an even bigger pain in the ass the second time around.


I've often said that one of the biggest risks of the drugs and decadence of the Rock-star-lifestyle is that you might find God afterwards. That said, plenty of rock-stars have found God and not become dicks.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:38 pm 
 

Adriankat wrote:
I'm actually sort of impressed that he managed to transform into Fox News incarnate, considering his past before he was a born again christian.


If someone like Dave: a raging, insecure crybaby, was ever an underground iconoclast, it's never for a reason that won't dissapear once the crack dries up and the wrinkles start showing.
Then it's off to discover whatever cursory sort of spirituality or conspiracy theory radio show presents itself to complement getting out-of-touch and irrelevant.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:46 pm 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
^well that's the whole thing, this is the guy who once wrote "Peace Sells but Who'se Buying" and "Hook in Mouth." Now read those lyrics, especially the ones to "Hook in Mouth" and you wonder, how this guy can endorse a candidate (Rick Santorum) who endorses every single thing that the song "Hook and Mouth" was railing AGAINST. It's like he has become everything he once hated.


The same way Paul Ryan can talk about saving Medicare...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:13 pm 
 

See, now here we have a perfectly good example why Metal lyrics should be taken with a grain of salt.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:52 pm 
 

soul_schizm wrote:
See, now here we have a perfectly good example why Metal lyrics should be taken with a grain of salt.

Bingo, although I find more metal lyrics tend to lean liberally. But still, I'm glad Dave is on the conservative side, not so glad he's a brainwashed conspiracy theorist.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:51 am 
 

There is a difference between being "conservative" and being a "conservative SHITHEAD." (as Napalm Death would say.)
Now, if someone would argue, say, that gun control is a bad idea, we need to secure our borders, build up a strong national defense, cut government spending, deregulate buisnesses, and so on, and discuss these mainstream conservative points of view INTELLIGENTLY- even though I might not agree with all of them, I could at least respect their point of view.

But people who spout ridiculous nonsense: "heath care is SOCIALISM!! Obama is a COMMUNIST! He's a MUSLIM! He was NOT born in the US (even though that bullshit has been disproven thousands of times) Or the usual paranoid, mean spirited rantings about the "evils" of Muslims, Gays, liberals, pacifists, etc- I got no use for that crap. That's a Conservative Shithead. Or the whole selfish "I got mine and fuck the poor" mentality, or the whole endorsement of a totalitarian police state- ironically the same Conservative Shitheads who spout off about the dangers of muslims enacting "Sharia Law" in the US would gladly do the EXACT SAME THING here, only they would call it "Biblical Law" - same thing but different religion. I have no use for this type, because they are irrational, naieve, and hypocritical and you can't reason with them, or even discuss things intelligently with them.

I dont hate Mustaine, or anybody else, simply because he is conservative. I hate him because he is a Conservative Shithead. There's a difference. And yeah, don't get me started because there are plenty of liberal shitheads out there too.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:05 am 
 

I kinda wish Mustaine had a daily blog or something like that so we could hear his thoughts every day. If I could get up each morning and make it part of my daily routine to read the absurd nonsense coming from his mouth first thing before breakfast it'd keep a smile on my face for the whole day.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:45 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
There is a difference between being "conservative" and being a "conservative SHITHEAD." (as Napalm Death would say.)
Now, if someone would argue, say, that gun control is a bad idea, we need to secure our borders, build up a strong national defense, cut government spending, deregulate buisnesses, and so on, and discuss these mainstream conservative points of view INTELLIGENTLY- even though I might not agree with all of them, I could at least respect their point of view.

But people who spout ridiculous nonsense: "heath care is SOCIALISM!! Obama is a COMMUNIST! He's a MUSLIM! He was NOT born in the US (even though that bullshit has been disproven thousands of times) Or the usual paranoid, mean spirited rantings about the "evils" of Muslims, Gays, liberals, pacifists, etc- I got no use for that crap. That's a Conservative Shithead. Or the whole selfish "I got mine and fuck the poor" mentality, or the whole endorsement of a totalitarian police state- ironically the same Conservative Shitheads who spout off about the dangers of muslims enacting "Sharia Law" in the US would gladly do the EXACT SAME THING here, only they would call it "Biblical Law" - same thing but different religion. I have no use for this type, because they are irrational, naieve, and hypocritical and you can't reason with them, or even discuss things intelligently with them.

I dont hate Mustaine, or anybody else, simply because he is conservative. I hate him because he is a Conservative Shithead. There's a difference. And yeah, don't get me started because there are plenty of liberal shitheads out there too.


Yet when people express the first argument you suggested they're tarred and feathered as automatically being of the second position.

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bronxeel wrote:
Oxenkiller wrote:
There is a difference between being "conservative" and being a "conservative SHITHEAD." (as Napalm Death would say.)
Now, if someone would argue, say, that gun control is a bad idea, we need to secure our borders, build up a strong national defense, cut government spending, deregulate buisnesses, and so on, and discuss these mainstream conservative points of view INTELLIGENTLY- even though I might not agree with all of them, I could at least respect their point of view.

But people who spout ridiculous nonsense: "heath care is SOCIALISM!! Obama is a COMMUNIST! He's a MUSLIM! He was NOT born in the US (even though that bullshit has been disproven thousands of times) Or the usual paranoid, mean spirited rantings about the "evils" of Muslims, Gays, liberals, pacifists, etc- I got no use for that crap. That's a Conservative Shithead. Or the whole selfish "I got mine and fuck the poor" mentality, or the whole endorsement of a totalitarian police state- ironically the same Conservative Shitheads who spout off about the dangers of muslims enacting "Sharia Law" in the US would gladly do the EXACT SAME THING here, only they would call it "Biblical Law" - same thing but different religion. I have no use for this type, because they are irrational, naieve, and hypocritical and you can't reason with them, or even discuss things intelligently with them.

I dont hate Mustaine, or anybody else, simply because he is conservative. I hate him because he is a Conservative Shithead. There's a difference. And yeah, don't get me started because there are plenty of liberal shitheads out there too.


Yet when people express the first argument you suggested they're tarred and feathered as automatically being of the second position.


I would say that's because it's very hard for most people of a caring and altruistic mindset to see the "good" inherent in deregulating businesses, for example, and that's not difficult to understand when in the past, businesses that were NOT hampered by regulations DID do terrible things. And they're still doing it in other countries. Let's not pretend otherwise here because that would be hopelessly naive - it's quite well known. Power does not have to corrupt - if it is tempered by wisdom and compassion. If it isn't tempered by higher human qualities, then it so, so often does corrupt horribly, as we have seen throughout history. And big business unchecked by laws prohibiting the abuse of human rights does potentially have Absolute Power. Very dangerous, and in my opinion, it's not that much of a stretch to see particularly amoral and powerful business leaders, if unchecked by regulations, becoming themselves little different from Hitler, Stalin or Mussolini (minus the racism, absolute desire to dominate others, or madness - hopefully).

Having said that, as a person who is definitely very liberal, I also believe that moderate conservatism cannot be inherently bad - it depends on what's being espoused. A balance is what is really needed. History has already proven that neither extreme-left nor extreme-right does anything but cause human misery and suffering except for the elite few. I'm no communist either - I despise communism almost as much as I do fascism.

But getting back to the main topic: I have no idea why Dave Mustaine spouts this kind of bullshit. Nor can I understand how people who are already deluded can become even more deluded simply due to taking up believe in a God. At its core, real Christianity is a world away from what we see in the American "Bible-Thumpers" these days. It's sad that Dave has chosen to throw his lot in with those, as Oxenkiller so aptly put it, "Conservative Shitheads". On the other hand, considering that he was a total nutter from day one of his fame (doing all those drugs), it's not that surprising either, I suppose.

I just hope that one day, people will turn to religion to gain a greater understanding of the universe and to become more sane, more respectful of others, and above all more RATIONAL, as opposed to less of all these things.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:32 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Oxenkiller wrote:
^well that's the whole thing, this is the guy who once wrote "Peace Sells but Who'se Buying" and "Hook in Mouth." Now read those lyrics, especially the ones to "Hook in Mouth" and you wonder, how this guy can endorse a candidate (Rick Santorum) who endorses every single thing that the song "Hook and Mouth" was railing AGAINST. It's like he has become everything he once hated.


The same way Paul Ryan can talk about saving Medicare...


Speaking of Paul Ryan...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... t-20120816

I wonder what it'd be like to have one of your favourite musicians launch into a massive The Reason You Suck speech aimed squarely at you.

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He should go back to doing drugs. It's not like being sober is helping his brain, or his music.
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He'd probably be even worse. Incidentally, both him and Nugent did heavy shit: coke, heroin, stuff like that.

And the other ridiculous thing was that he was thinking people in Singapore would really care about US politics.

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elf48687789 wrote:
He'd probably be even worse. Incidentally, both him and Nugent did heavy shit: coke, heroin, stuff like that.


Erm... Isn't Ted Nugent like the most vocal anti drug rockstar in the history of the universe?
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Nugent himself never did any drugs. Even way back in the day, he never even drank! (probably why he ended up being so self righteous.) The other members of first band on the other hand, the Amboy Dukes- different story. They had a song "Journey to the Center of your mind" about LSD- which Nugent never really lived down; after he quit the band he went out of his way to denounce all that shit.

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I guess I didn't research this, but thought his 1970s output was very much linked to drugs. His fan base certainly was.

Let me rephrase this, has Nugent made any claims before the 1980s to have not done drugs?

I know about the joints he allegedly smoked in 1967 (which I suppose would be considered "experimenting" and not "using" drugs) and supposedly hated, but the question is when he made that comment.
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From what I heard, back in the late 60s Nugent too busy having fun with the groupies to bother with drugs.

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Off topic but the Nuge is a fucking draft-dodging hypocrite

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Ted Nugent has that ridiculous story he gave back in the 70s about how he dodged the draft by not showering and eating only sausage for a month and then shitting his pants for a week straight, but that's pretty obviously bullshit. The other stories related to drugs I've heard of his was that he'd taken two tokes off a joint and hated it, and that he snorted one line of coke and took one hit of meth (or something to that effect, I don't recall exactly) purely so it would help him fail the physical for the draft in addition to the other steps he'd taken to dodge it (allegedly he had a student deferment, and did also fail the physical, but there's no really clear story as to how). Frankly, that second story is a lot more believable to me. Other than that one time he went against his stance purely so he wouldn't get shipped off to war, he's always been a very vocal anti-drug guy.
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...and you've chosen to impart this vacuous platitude on the denizens of this forum... why, exactly?
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George Carlin said that maniacs and crazy people should be taken to a state wide prison farm in Utah with no guards and have the whole area televised to help balance the budget. But he said that not all of them should be locked up; you should keep some around for the entertainment. A guy who goes around saying the King of Sweden is using his penis to broadcast antisemitic lesbian meatloaf recipes to the world should be given his own radio show.

I think it's time Dave Mustaine got his radio show.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:26 pm 
 

Dave Mustaine speaks the kind of crazy nonsense that a wide audience of idiot crazies would believe. Everybody would realize the guy saying that eating the right color combinations of Skittles in the right order will allow you to slow down time is shitnards bonkers, Dave Mustaine saying the president is a Kenyan terrorist staging shooting across the nation in order to pass laws/boost face is the kind of Alex Jonesian billycock that a lot of people actually believe. It's bad enough that we metal fans have to keep listening to his insanity, why spread him on the rest of the world?

I guess what I'm saying is that Dave Mustaine does not need a radio show, whereas Nathan Winneke most certainly does.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:31 pm 
 

Everyone who holds a mic on stage thinks they know everything about politics..dave should stick to singing.

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