"order and pomp!" Love it! Is this the first time on this board you've come out of the christian closet?

I agree with the latter point, most certainly; I never really understood why people make a big deal in the media of actors' or musicians views about politics, for example...why should they be any smarter or more knowledgeable than you or I? And businessowners are human beings, too! I wonder who the hell asked the guy his opinion on this shit? Probably a journalist who was hoping to cause a stir and have his own five minutes of fame by "exposing" someone.

Still, I can't see this being much good for business. Although I have to say that it's amusing that I'd never even heard of this franchise until this stuff came out last week. Doesn't mean I want to go there and have the experience now, though, that's for sure.

I believe it is my first time....not quite sure. I've never really made a big deal about it.

About the idea of businesses, I agree that they are human, and it was probably someone trying to drum up a story, which is why I appreciated his answer of: "guilty as charged" when asked about being anti-gay. It was a straight answer, and I appreciate that, regardless of political sides. But I think that the way they overplay their "family values" angle is definitely for marketing purposes only, just like Oreo's little stunt about being pro-LGBTQ. Even if they are truly committed, and are active in their causes, I find it strange that Oreo's "coming out" was in a sole advertisement, and Chic-Fil-A's was in a story about the success of their business....hmmm

yeah, it seems pretty clear: Oreo = tapping into/affirming the market, Chick = someone trying to burst the bubble a bit.

And it isn't a big deal, I just wondered if you had mentioned it on here before now. I seem to remember you partakign in some religious discussions earlier but I think I only glanced at that thread...

But to my knowledge he wasn't even responding to being "anti-gay", he was responding to a question about the opposition to his company's stance on "support of the traditional family". I may not have read the same article that you did, however.

Damnit, reading this thread has resulted in the situation that I now feel like Oreos.

I hate you all.

I haven't been following this shit so much, but the idea I got was not that it had to do with their ideas, but rather, that if you ate there, your money goes to anti-gay organizations. If they make financial contributions to anti-gay groups, then you are supporting anti-gay groups by giving them your money.

I really don't think many people care if the owner hates gays, it's that he actively uses the money he makes from the business to support gay hate.

I've never eaten there. I'd boycott them just for being closed on sundays, personally.

"Support of the traditional family" is code for being anti-gay.

Doritos was doing something similar with a rainbow line around Pride week. Gay pride has never looked so .. color-saturated.

I like to think they are against divorce-remarriage and adoption

I'm pretty sure pro traditional family mostly means anti same sex relationships too. Isn't anglo-saxon protestantism... like... founded on divorce-remarriage?

Yeah, I don't think the owner's personal feelings matter - that Chick-Fil-A is funneling millions of dollars to anti-gay organisations does, though.

I'm actually an evangelical Christian (albeit of the left-wing variety), so I reckon that when these folks say they support 'the traditional family', they mean the 1950s family, i.e. when they could pretend gay people didn't exist and women and black people didn't threaten their privilege.

While the Onion is satire and usually really hilarious, this is sadly true, the Queer-Hater sandwich is not as far as I know, but check out snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chickfila.asp

Now I believe in the right to free speech, but it's honestly a bad business move to really say anything one way or another political, being neutral is best for most businesses.

I doubt I'll stop eating their chicken cause it is really good, but I don't agree with their President. I'm a Christian and I think people like him and the WBC give us a really bad name. The Lutheran Church has come out and said they support same sex marriage. They believe, like the bible says, it's God's job to judge, not us. There are several quotes in the bible that state not to judge others, these idiots that focus more on gay people than helping others really piss me off. I just send them these quotes to remind them how stupid they are:
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." -Matthew 7:1-5

"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." -1 John 4:8
This one I use on the WBC, how can God hate fags if God is love, idiots all of them. I almost never say I'm Christian since I think people should not push their beliefs on others and I don't want to be seen as trying to do that, but this is relevant.

Also if these folks read the bible they would know traditional marriage was not one man one woman, it's one man and a bunch of women and you can sell your daughter into marriage for a certain number of livestock. You can sell your children into slavery and many other things that are not condoned by Christians anymore, times change, there's nothing wrong with that. I think even if you still think gay marriage is a sin, leave others alone and focus on loving each other and helping those in need. That's where this money should have gone. The fact that there are groups dedicated to destroying people's happiness that's not hurting anyone else sickens me on a deep level.

I support free speech, but it doesn't mean I have to support what they are saying.

This. I've seen a lot of this on facebook and it seems that people have the wrong idea of what's going on.

I'm an atheist and for gay rights (because I can't come with logical, nonreligious reasons to be anti-gay). I would have no problem eating at a place where the owner was a Christian or even homophobic or whatever, but I might have a problem if I think that my money is going right to anti-gay organizations, because I would not contribute to those organizations on my own.

This. As they say, if you don't like gay marriage then don't get gay-married. But putting all your efforts into stopping other people from getting married? That's pretty despicable, and not compatible with any version of Christianity I'd want to be a part of.

Luke 6:31

Do unto others as you would have them do to you


Matthew 7:1

Judge not, that you may not be judged

Why is Chick fil-a not concerned with their promotion of gluttony? Can homeless people just walk into Chick fil-a and get a free meal? How about using one biscuit and one chicken to feed 5,000 people?

And why am I bothering with logic when discussing religion? I should realize it has no place here

Absolutely. They have no more obligation to serve those who they discriminate against than we have obligation to buy their product or contribute to their campaign of evil. If anything free speech gives us clear indication of where to avoid wasting money. Thank you, bigots, for making my commercial decisions that much easier.


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Give not into temptation for it will lead you down the path of wtf.

As long as Chik-fil-a doesn't discriminate against gays, I don't see the problem. I disagree with Chik-fil-a's views, but their entitled to have their own opinion.

With that said, I fucking love their food.

It's especially irritating when these people say they support the "Biblical" idea of the family unit, apparently unaware that this would mean one man and his harem of wives.

It may be the idea but who are they to decide how we should live our lives? As long as we are living within the laws and respecting one another then they have nothing to complain about.

Popeyes is better anyways.

I use Southern Classic usually as it is the cheapest and there is one right around the corner from where I work.

As if they .. heh .. hadn't even read it?

I never eat there because they are Christians and I don't support Christianity. As far as them being anti-gay I guess they have the right to be, and if you don't like it, don't eat there, plan and simple!

Good luck managing to go through your life while refusing to make business transactions with 1/3rd of the human population.

You can just boycott the assholes, not the rest of them.

Are you serious? Christians make up at least 80% of the country. Do you plan on boycotting every other business run by Christians? Also buying their product isn't supporting their religious beliefs.

I think there is a difference between a corporation that is supporting the "Christian" or biblical way about marriage, but donating money to an anti gay foundation is a bit too much. I dont know how I would feel if one of the Canadian companies would support something as ridiculous as anti this or anti that. I might consider stop buying their products or using their services.

But an additional question is - do you support businesses that use cheap sweatshop labor for example. Tomorrow a business would come up with a new controversial anti something. I think all businesses should be supportive of the society their are in and which they get their business from - so if a shop in San Francisco would go gay bashing I dont think they would survive for long. But If its a gay bashing store in Georgia I dont think they really care because their clientele is not who they bash.

If you are a business who want to give a good product/service and being part of a community then you shouldn't support anything controversial because selling burgers has nothing to do with being gay or strait/ black or white/man or woman.

This reminds me of when Christians freaked out over Oreo's pro-gay marriage ad.

I am anti-gay but Chick-fil-a are fools. This is a bad buisness move and it will only cost them money. Obama is going to be re-elected and gays will get their marridge next year. The opposers of gay marridge will cry as gays have vulgar parades. Chick-al-fil can't change this. The powers that be are using the gay maridge as an issue to distract people from more important issues such as the upcomming war in Iran and the fact the American economy is going downhill. Liberals/hippies that care about gays getting married and homophobic puritans obsessed with gays have 1 thing in common, they are both idiots.

Not that I'm as keen on being kind towards MM as I was a few minutes ago after reading that, but he's right that Obama's pro-gay stance is a false flag effort to draw focus off his neolib/neocon policies at large. The right to marry is an important improvement for the lives of gays and should not be shrugged off, but it in no way brings closure the myriad struggles necessary to advance the rights and prosperity of LGBT people and the idea that this establishes Obama as a lesser, rather than more subtle, of two evils is wrong and dangerous.

Yeah I'm not very familiar with the details of US domestic politics, it just seemed like an overally dumb series of statements to me. I don't like Obama either.

I'm not sure what's funnier; your repeated inability to spell "marriage" or the way your username conjures images of an Islamic scat fetish.

No, wait, it's your general wanker-ness between here and the pantheism thread.

Beyond idiotic!

Is he stoned? He actually reminds me the way I usually talk. And the gays will rise? Yeah, right.

By the way, in case anyone is questioning the Christianity of the company... I remember a few years ago they gave out Veggie Tales toys with their kids meals. For those not aware, it's a show designed to teach kids Christian morals by replicating Bible stories (in a more family-friendly manner) and explicitly discussing Bible verses.

To say their views do not affect their business is to turn a blind eye to reality.

Recently, the company wanted to add a location here in Chicago, and the alderman of that ward flat-out turned them down, with the mayor supporting him. The best part, though? The proposed location was just a few blocks south of a major gay neighborhood!

Sounds like the next Manowar concept album.

I strongly suggest that you guys ignore MudslimeMuhammed or this thread gonna more stupid and locked.

"War > civl rights" it is known.

More like Nanowar!
Edit: Oops, sorry Meta.