That song is dreadfully boring! And I have listened to The Spectre Within numerous times since this site recommends it immensely!
Give me Ivory Gate Of Dreams any day! John Arch is a terrific singer and I can actually see songs like Queen Of The Reich, Warning and Speak fitting him like a glove but overall Geoff Tate is a better singer because he is more well rounded. He just isn't as wonderfully idiosyncratic as Arch, but maybe that isn't a terrible thing after all!

I think he's even better now, from a pure vocal perspective.
Check this out, Arch playing Fates material this year...

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but you're totally blindsided by fanboy-ism, here. The very links you provided as proof that he's so good today actually prove the exact opposite. The guy isn't a 10th the singer he used to be, from a pure vocal perspective. Why do you reckon he jumps around, taps his belly awkwardly and make the crowd chant so much, exactly? When he does get a high(-ish) note out, it's barely on key, if that. Not that it's cause for shame, at his age and given how outstanding he used to be back then. People age, including singers, that's life. But no, no, no, he does not sing anywhere near as good as he used to, man. Neither does Tate, for that matter.

Why do you reckon he jumps around, taps his belly awkwardly and make the crowd chant so much, exactly?

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but you're totally blindsided by fanboy-ism, here. The very links you provided as proof that he's so good today actually prove the exact opposite. The guy isn't a 10th the singer he used to be, from a pure vocal perspective. Why do you reckon he jumps around, taps his belly awkwardly and make the crowd chant so much, exactly? When he does get a high(-ish) note out, it's barely on key, if that. Not that it's cause for shame, at his age and given how outstanding he used to be back then. People age, including singers, that's life. But no, no, no, he does not sing anywhere near as good as he used to, man. Neither does Tate, for that matter.

In other news, any further developments in the actual case?

On top of which, he was getting over a sore throat at the time. You're comparing a crappy-quality recording of a live performance to 30-year-old studio recordings - it's not like he never missed notes when he sang live in the 80s. Listen to Arch/Matheos's album if you want to hear how he sounds at his best today.

On a side note, do you mean to say that he was already doing the jumping around while tapping his belly routine back in the day?

As far as a new singer in an old band goes, you have 2 ways:

1-Use someone who can sing in a similar way to the previous one, so the shock for the fans and the band will be less. Given time, the singer will develop his own style while new songs are being written and recorded (See Journey and Arnel Pineda).

2-Use someone who has a completely different voice, often to emphatize a drastic change of sound (see Nightwish).

Both ways can work or fail, all depending on how well the new guy does and how strong is the new material.

I, for instance, have plenty of faith on this Tateless 'rÿche, LaTorre it's pretty good.

Is it just me, or does he look incredibly... gay? Like beyond Rob Halford gay?

No, he looks like a fucking pretentious asshole begging for a brutal curb-stomping. All cocky and sneering. Fuck him.

To be fair, the shots of the audience in that video excerpt are quite depressing: it looks half empty, I don't see any pit, there are many empty seats, and I can spot at best 2-3 people who look like they might be into metal, and none who seem to be happy to be there. It's certainly not encouraging.

To be fairer, whose fault was that, exactly? I saw QueensRÿche once in the early 90s, a time when their setlist and overall sound sucked considerably less than what this poor crowd in Rocklahoma must have endured, and even then I was bored shitless and spent a good 2/3 of their show drinking in the far back, waiting for the next band. That show was the same, but after the string of post-Degarmo shitty albums we know, and without any of the classic songs to help swallow the pill. In no small part due to this pretentious dick. So yeah, if "that's all there is," then you suck, Mr Ego.

Haha. Wow, that's a fine, tasteful, and fresh pun right there, bro, what with Halford's coming out having taken place just yesterday, and all. Witty.

Just imagine how you would have reacted if Maiden had recruited Tim Owens as their new lead singer while Priest was still working on 'Jugulator' with him.

As someone that's only listened to a handful of songs by Crimson Glory, all this did was cringe at the thought of Tim Owens singing The Sign Of The Cross. I love both albums and both of the singers on them, but that combination should never happen...

Haha. Wow, that's a fine, tasteful, and fresh pun right there, bro, what with Halford's coming out having taken place just yesterday, and all. Witty.

So, Arch's vocals are average? I think his vocals sound perfectly different from anyone, not just his tone (which isn't common), but his range, passion and especially his approach of vocal lines makes him a totally different singer from your average prog/heavy vocalist. If you add a maestro in songwriting like Jim Matheos to his vocal skills you have a brilliant band and material, which is what early Fates stands in prog metal (Alder is good, but Arch is better and how many prog metal bands don't recognize/show a huge fellation and influence from Fates?). If you listen the new Arch/Matheos album, you hear the guy and without a mistake you know is Arch. How many singers can say that? after decades, how many of those unique singers can sing exactly ike they did before and also handling perfectly the older material? even less. Also, the guy is a great lyricist. He's just the whole package, like Dio was.

I understand people not liking Arch for his nasal tone and odd vocal melodies, but those elements are exactly what makes him different.

Give me Ivory Gate Of Dreams any day.

Um, because he's a frontman and a frontman's main job other than singing is getting the crowd into it? As far as getting the crowd going, Arch was the best there bar none. Obviously he can't harmonize with himself in a live setting, so getting the crowd to help out makes perfect sense too. Besides which, you're basing your estimation of how he sounds now on a poorly-recorded video uploaded to Youtube. I was actually there, and he sounded great. There were some misses here and there, sure, but they were largely inconsequential, and the guy hadn't performed live in 25 years. On top of which, he was getting over a sore throat at the time. You're comparing a crappy-quality recording of a live performance to 30-year-old studio recordings - it's not like he never missed notes when he sang live in the 80s. Listen to Arch/Matheos's album if you want to hear how he sounds at his best today.

Just watched the "you suck" Youtube clip again and man the second hand embarassment...to think this arrogant king of douches actually came across as likeable in interview clips during the 80s/90s...

Rock N Roll Experience: Do you think Queensryche made a mistake firing Geoff Tate?

Jon Schaffer: Honestly it doesn’t make any difference in my world one way or the other.

Rock N Roll Experience: Would you ever consider working with Geoff Tate now that he’s a solo artist?

Jon: I mean, not in the capacity of Iced Earth but to work with Geoff Tate would be amazing but I’ve got my guys so.

I've gotta choose my words carefully or else I'm gonna end up on the front page of Blabbermouth tomorrow morning. [Laughs]

"There's no hard feelings. I think that the things that were said between me and Geoff, a lot of it got blown out of propotion, a lot of those feelings and… whatever. When I went and saw them in New York a few weeks ago, they were all totally open arms to me, and Geoff was cool. And the next night when they were here on Eddie's show, they were totally cool about it.

"You know what it is? I think when we toured together with them, it was a co-headlining thing — we were sharing the lights and the video and the sound. We had to work together on a lot of things. And I'm very used to running our band and our organization and our live touring situation a certain way, and I guess Geoff is used to it his way, so inevitably, as much of a great time we had, there was also moments where I wanted something some way and he maybe wanted it the other, so as kind of the two heads of our organizations, inevitably, maybe, he got turned off by my headstrongness and same vice versa. I guess when you're kind of a perfectionist, or a controlling person, and you have to kind of share that situation with another band, it's tough, and maybe some of it rubbed him the wrong way. But I've had nothing but good stuff to say about that tour we did together — it was a lot of fun, every night we jammed together, and I thought it was a great thing for the fans, and we had a good time. There were little things here and there in terms of the whole behind-the-scenes thing, but it was really all a very, very good-spirited tour.

"It's hard in the age of the Internet to keep things cool and not get blown up. After what went down here with Geoff and me, it was all over Blabbermouth the next day and then from there it was on every web site from here to Australia, and the fans get into it with each other, and they blow it up, and every word is dissected. That's the scary part. I know I did a Metal Sludge interview back in 2000 — it was like six years ago — and I still get heat over that. Because everything you say on the Internet gets spread around and people just blow it up into the biggest thing.

Who said Geoff Tate was all bad?
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Tate recently revealed plans for a selection of acoustic solo dates on the West Coast, billed as "Geoff Tate and Friends".

QUEENSRŸCHE STARRING GEOFF TATE THE ORIGINAL VOICE

This fall, Geoff Tate Electric Band will be releasing his new solo metal album on Inside Out Music, which features such label mates as King’s X, Fates Warning, Pain of Slavation and Dream Theater’s frontman James LaBrie, and many others! Geoff Tate solo tour dates with Alice Cooper beginning in November.
***Watch for the announcement of the upcoming 2013 Queensryche Anniversary Tour featuring an All-Star lineup, starring Geoff Tate, the longtime creative and driving force behind the band, whose vocals can be heard on every Queensryche song ever released!***