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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:16 pm 
 

oogboog is correct. GraveWish did provide the same post in his submission, but this time I didn't remember the previous submission/rejection and was a bit slow... Although it is next week now, there's been no news on the release and so I've done a bit of research. The label says it's "almost done" in a FB post from yesterday. I've asked them when the release will be out, have yet to receive a reply, but tbh I don't see much sense in deleting them again now, unless the release date is further delayed. Sorry in any case, oogboog.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:13 pm 
 

Fragilitatem

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fra ... 3540348140

Sample for this is finally online and it's not really metal, I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRnnbQ95Vmg

Sorry again...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:20 pm 
 

UndeadIdiot wrote:
Fragilitatem

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fra ... 3540348140

Sample for this is finally online and it's not really metal, I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRnnbQ95Vmg

Sorry again...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:17 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
wildshadow wrote:
The demos of Amethyst really exist.

Seems so. I'm in contact with a band member and he confirmed the existence of other demos and will also be sending me a compilation CD he recently put out, containing all the material they ever recorded.

For those interested, I was able to update the page considerably: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Amethyst/22989

I'll add the demos once I receive the CD.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:56 pm 
 

I've read about side projects but, still, why Philip Lynott is here? His solo career music is not metal...

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aeternus1990
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:46 pm 
 

Бред С Трибуны isn't a metalcore band, it's hardcore with some metal influences a-la Madball, Terror, Hatebreed. They got 2 full-length, there are three songs from each album:
1st album: Массовый террор, Жестокая правда, Таким как все.
2st album: Мои друзья, Улицы ненависти, Новое время.

So this band shouldn't be there. However it's a good hardcore band and I've seen 'em live once. Stuff like NYHC.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:19 am 
 

Deleted Apogeic Swell. Post-rock/ambient with raw guitars.

aeternus1990 wrote:
I've read about side projects but, still, why Philip Lynott is here? His solo career music is not metal...

I don't see what's so mysterious about it. His connection to Thin Lizzy is the reason. The solo-project was active until his death while he was still in his main band.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:38 pm 
 

No mystery at all :) I just want to know what was the original idea to allow non-metal side-projects to be a part of MA... That because band members of metal bands are part of metal scene even if they play different music? Sure it's not a suggestion for deletion but just interesting.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:44 pm 
 

We include bands like that given that certain non-metal side-projects (especially those from notable artists) could arguably and arbitrarily "belong" within a comprehensive database of metal music, in large part due to its listenership and the role it plays within the metal scene. We are supposed to govern the inclusion of such projects carefully and cautiously because of the implications of its inclusion - it's not something we ought to take lightly, but it's one way we handle "outliers" within the metal scene that don't perfectly fit normally. It's a tough question, really. For example, if we couldn't include non-metal side-projects, we couldn't include Karl Sanders... which many in the metal scene consider part of that scene regardless. But then again, we shouldn't wholly go and include every single example of a non-metal side-project of a musician, especially if that musician's projects are not at all known among metalheads and it makes no sense to include them here.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:12 pm 
 

Thanks for detailed explanation, now I understand and agree with it, notable metal musicians' solo career really can be considered as a part of metal scene.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:06 pm 
 

I would like to remind the mods of my reports on page 36 of this thread, which were made three months ago and were ignored. I listed 6 bands who only did Touhou music covers and the evidence. They should all be gone now.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:59 am 
 

Deleted Satanic Ancestry. No physical releases at this point.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:00 pm 
 

Axe this band. Rampazze (India).
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rampazze/3540288858

Genre : Rock and Roll..
Not heavy metal/hard rock

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:54 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Okay, so let me get this straight.

[*]Amethyst released one vinyl single, which -according to M3's word- isn't metal. Let's keep in mind that we have so far seen no real evidence for this.



http://www.divshare.com/download/18871791-617 (Ripped one song from original vinyl to PROVE YOU'RE WRONG)

And BY THIS ,BAND WERE Accepted to Metal-Archives.What a Joke !!! This just SHOWS HOW ARROGANT all of these "metal lords" are.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:06 am 
 

M3 spends all day jacking off to himself.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:07 am 
 

MadMetalMachine wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
Okay, so let me get this straight.

[*]Amethyst released one vinyl single, which -according to M3's word- isn't metal. Let's keep in mind that we have so far seen no real evidence for this.



http://www.divshare.com/download/18871791-617 (Ripped one song from original vinyl to PROVE YOU'RE WRONG)

And BY THIS ,BAND WERE Accepted to Metal-Archives.What a Joke !!! This just SHOWS HOW ARROGANT all of these "metal lords" are.

Yeah, that's not metal, but since we now know that the band has other, metal releases and this was just a short-lived attempt at a more commercial sound that's a non-issue. How exactly did that prove me wrong? :???: Did you read my previous, lengthy-ish post about this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:29 am 
 

Azmodes is correct. The band existed between 1983 and 1989 and had several demos and a BBC session.
It's easy to upload the more melodic song from a CDr that a former member of the band gave this sucker for free. This is not a vinyl rip and it's not that important. What it's important it's that i already informed the band that this sucker after the band being nice to him still wants to delete the band from this Forum. (and that is he spreading just for egocentric reasons the mp3 of the same CDr in another sites without asking any permission to the band)...
Are you aware if the band is looking for a proper official release to all their stuff ? Are you supporting the band really ? Or Metal ?
I have doubts.
I even have doubts you really own the 7'' - but i don't care really.
I don't care for metal ranks. I never submitted nothing here and i will never submit.

And yeah, delete everything. After Rankelson, maybe Demon will be next and others.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:42 am 
 

Right, this ought to resolve the Amethyst issue:

http://www.mediafire.com/?co6srg171117323

Their '84 & '86 demos, uploaded in lossless format by thecorroseum.com forum user lunaboy to the member-only downloads section yesterday, taken from copies sent to him by Brad Richardson of Amethyst & converted to MP3 for this thread by me. Sure this sounds NWOBHM enough for M-A.

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The_Black_Priest wrote:
Axe this band. Rampazze (India).
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rampazze/3540288858

Genre : Rock and Roll..
Not heavy metal/hard rock

links :
http://www.facebook.com/rampazze

http://www.reverbnation.com/rampazze

Nuked, this was very far from metal.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:30 am 
 

Dr_Keloid wrote:
Right, this ought to resolve the Amethyst issue:

http://www.mediafire.com/?co6srg171117323

Their '84 & '86 demos, uploaded in lossless format by thecorroseum.com forum user lunaboy to the member-only downloads section yesterday, taken from copies sent to him by Brad Richardson of Amethyst & converted to MP3 for this thread by me. Sure this sounds NWOBHM enough for M-A.

I received my copy of the demo compilation today. Updated the page further and yeah, the band will stay.

lunaboy = MadMetalMachine, by the way.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:00 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
lunaboy = MadMetalMachine, by the way.

Really? Jesus. Well, he's certainly been hoisted by his own petard this time. Also, I thought being reduced to Durst meant you were banned from posting to the forum too?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:22 am 
 

Dr_Keloid wrote:
Also, I thought being reduced to Durst meant you were banned from posting to the forum too?

Nope. (It works the other way around, too. ;))
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:24 pm 
 

should be merged (insufficient name change):
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pest/123297
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Die_Pest/12067

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Oxenkiller
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:30 am 
 

I'm not complaining, but I am a bit surprised to see this band get accepted:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bro ... 3540349349

Now I like these guys, for what it's worth, but I've always thought of them purely as a punk rock band? Anyway, your call...

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Oxenkiller wrote:
I'm not complaining, but I am a bit surprised to see this band get accepted:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bro ... 3540349349

Now I like these guys, for what it's worth, but I've always thought of them purely as a punk rock band? Anyway, your call...

Check the "Why was band X rejected?" thread; their recent material was judged to be crossover with sufficient thrash metal influences.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:35 am 
 

MalignantThrone wrote:
Oxenkiller wrote:
I'm not complaining, but I am a bit surprised to see this band get accepted:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bro ... 3540349349

Now I like these guys, for what it's worth, but I've always thought of them purely as a punk rock band? Anyway, your call...

Check the "Why was band X rejected?" thread; their recent material was judged to be crossover with sufficient thrash metal influences.


I always thought "Losing Control" and and "Stitched Up" were acceptable for the site, and was surprised they weren't here.
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Painiac
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:27 am 
 

Why the heck do you delete hard rock and early heavy metal bands? O_o
Why do you keep bands like Rush then in on the other hand?

It makes no sense if you're having this ultranarrow non-defined definition of what's metal and what's not on one hand while keeping prog and more liberal metal stuff on the other hand.

Proof for Rush:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rush/1206

Or are they included because one of their members had some metal side project once that fit more into your definition of what's metal?
What is this site's definition of metal actually? Is there some FAQ somewhere that defines this better?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:23 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
I'm not complaining, but I am a bit surprised to see this band get accepted:

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bro ... 3540349349

Now I like these guys, for what it's worth, but I've always thought of them purely as a punk rock band? Anyway, your call...

I approved them based on what I heard on "Stitched Up". Acceptable crossover thrash.

@Painiac:
Rules wrote:
Mötley Crüe, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Scorpions and Rush (among a few examples) are not considered metal by some. Understandable, as their music and heaviness varied and was debatable at times. But what they sometimes lacked in "metalness", they made for in historical importance, and they are there to stay. That doesn't mean we're going to accept any glam or hippie rock bands though, and they are about as "borderline" as we are going to have.
They are exceptions. You might not agree. Tough shit.

This is kind of the wrong thread anyway and your post is pretty vague, but here's a simple answer: We accept bands that, according to our standards, are predominantly metal, i.e. have at least one sufficiently metal album. We reject/delete bands that do not. These standards are made up by the owners' and the general staff's views on what constitutes metal. They naturally vary from mod to mod and can differ from those of other people, but they are enforced as best we can for this site nonetheless. You'll find an outline in the rules I linked to above. Anything more specific is impossible for the diverse subject matter that is music.

@uglur: I'll merge them shortly.
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Deleted Affliction from Wisconsin. Mallcore, pretty much.
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Thanks, Azzy.
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aeternus1990 wrote:
Бред С Трибуны isn't a metalcore band, it's hardcore with some metal influences a-la Madball, Terror, Hatebreed. They got 2 full-length, there are three songs from each album:
1st album: Массовый террор, Жестокая правда, Таким как все.
2st album: Мои друзья, Улицы ненависти, Новое время.

So this band shouldn't be there. However it's a good hardcore band and I've seen 'em live once. Stuff like NYHC.

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Mortalem from Colombia deleted, since there was no proof of physical release, and the one provided upon submission is a bootleg.
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Deleted Decapitado from the US. It certainly wasn't technical thrash and not really metal at all. Heavy experimental industrial/rock stuff.
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Is there any proof of existence for this band?

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http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The ... 3540285018

If the release is believed to be a bootleg...
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I'll look into it, Grimmy.

Frozenith wrote:
Is there any proof of existence for this band?

None apparent, but it was approved before v2. We must assume it is legitimate until proven otherwise.
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TheGrimWombat wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Crisis/3540285018

If the release is believed to be a bootleg...

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Excruciating Terror shouldn't be on this site since they aren't metal. Yes they are grindcore but grindcore isn't a metal genre. Metal fans might think that but that's only because some people consider anything with blast beats to be grindcore (which is completely untrue.)

Also Jonpo's review says they play power violence. Seriously made me cringe when I read that.
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Says the dude who said Nasum wasn't grindcore. Sorry, if I ignore your judgement. The site approve grindcore and power violence when they are metal enough.
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Can you guys consider revising Metallica's genre? I know that's a pretty big request, but really, "modern metal" is about as undescriptive as "metal" itself, considering that it could theoretically be applied to anything from Alcest to Mitochondrion to Behemoth, and functionally it's still generally applied to a wide range of genres like metalcore, deathcore, djent and groove metal, none of which were ever Metallica's primary genre. Can we just scrap that tag and replace it with something like "grunge/nu-metal" to account for the Loads and St. Anger, respectively?
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